I speak here, because I have a different opinion, and believe me it's more painful to be silent than to express it

Why do I care? Because I am part of this forum, even though with a low rank.
And if there are rules of forum members that are changed, surely everyone will feel it, even though it is very difficult for one side. And if there is no concern here, even though it does not benefit yourself, then I consider the purpose of this forum to be a failure. Because if everyone is selfish, everything will be messed up.

And thank you very much for praising me. Your final answer has explained everything. Hopefully this forum can improve itself and benefit all people.

Thank you, nice to meet you

Then what would you or forum developer do to overcome them, spammer or multiple accounts that already have a high rank, the large amount of merit can divide into other cloning accounts only to join Signature Campaign. Then whether the post with high quality still applies to them, I don't think so. Similar to the government system, high ranking officials will be more flexible even though what they do is wrong, and the people will get punishment even though they are innocent.

I think, you just think about winning yourself, yes, you have got a pretty big rank here. And you will think of helping to try to remove spammer, who is dominated by small rank, Newbie. And I read a lot of posts and comments, since the new rules (Jr Members need 1 merit) newbie rank is getting oppressed here.
Let's see, why is Newbie so hated this end → being considered a spammer → why is there a spammer? - because there is a prize for that (wherever there is a spammer, there must be income for him).

Why only see a Newbie account as a spammer? Surely you think, it's easy enough, just create an account (without the need for quality contributions), follow the campaign, and get a prize.
And I, Newbie account owner think otherwise, why don't you see a spammer at a higher rank, and bully him too? Don't you think, a high rank account with a lot of merit will not produce multi-account users or spam workers to join the prize campaign?
In fact it is higher than the income of a Newbie account spammer. Just imagine.

If there are still gift systems that rely on high rank accounts as a requirement and a high number of prizes, such as the Signature Campaign. Believe me, spammers and multi-account cheating will still be there. Think about this, this is the task of forum developers.

And introduce me to beginners, first I join this forum, just look at the point of view of Bounty. Yes, it's very natural to be interested in earning income rather than other topics, but I don't immediately understand how to join a bounty campaign, so I search and read a number of related posts on how to follow the Bounty and over time to increase knowledge, I am also interested in reading other topics. Well here are the main uses of the forum.
And the purpose of speaking as above, I want to voice the opinion of a Newbie, that we are also like you first, but we join at different times, forum is advanced, and many rivals to make quality posts and help, and even quality posts are not guaranteed to get merit . Merit is good for sharing.
Our enemy is now a spammer, because we feel oppressed here because of that.
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Believe me, your statement does not help, and will make things worse if done. Just imagine, like in a school class, you can get knowledge, values, awards from within. As you say, who will let cheaters, cheaters get good grades or praise from the teacher? That will produce something worse in the future.

Tulisan ini bertujuan untuk mengurangi kesalahpahaman antara ketiga belah pihak, tim proyek ICO (yang menyelenggarakan kampanye hadiah), investor dan pemburu hadiah.

Sebagai seorang pemburu hadiah, saya sering melihat percakapan dengan sesama pemburu hadiah yang sering berkata "SCAM" dalam grup telegram dari beberapa proyek yang belum mendistribusikan token, tetapi sebelumnya tim sudah mengumumkan jadwal distribusi, penjualan saja masih berlangsung, jadwal distribusi mungkin lebih lama. Nah, dari itu, jangan sekali-sekali menulis kata "SCAM" dalam grup publik sebuah proyek jika tidak ada bukti yang kuat dan pasti, karena sangat tidak enak didengar bagi tim penyelenggara.  Terutama jika penjualan token masih berlangsung, jika investor yang melihat kata "SCAM", itu dapat mengubah pikiran investor untuk membatalkan investasi dalam proyek itu.

Dan proyek "SCAM" sangat berbeda dari proyek "GAGAL", jangan menyamakannya.
- Proyek SCAM hanya akan berpikir tentang menghasilkan keuntungan, tidak peduli bagaimana cara kerjanya, dan dia tidak memikirkan untuk memberikan imbalan untuk siapa saja yang membantunya promosi.
- Proyek GAGAL, seperti proyek-proyek yang telah mempersiapkan segalanya untuk tujuan, prosedur, alokasi dana, data tim dan lainnya. Tapi bagaimana lagi, jumlah minimum penjualan tidak tercapai, atau Soft Cap tidak tercapai. Namun dia berkewajiban bertanggung jawab untuk mengembalikan dana investor yang sebelumnya berkontribusi. Karena proyek gagal alias kekurangan dana, sebagian besar tidak memberi imbalan kepada pemburu hadiah. Ada juga beberapa proyek, meskipun mereka gagal meraih Soft Cap, tetapi dia masih memberikan hadiah token kepada pemburu hadiah, seperti Deep Aero, TimeBox dan beberapa lainnya.


Catatan:
Soft Cap adalah dana target minimum yang harus dicapai oleh proyek untuk mempertahankan pengembangan proyek di masa depan.

Dikarenakan pos Inggris saya di Altcoin Discussion sepi, dan tersingkirkan oleh pos rame tapi komentarnya intinya sama semua, maka saya pos ulang dalam bahasa Indonesia, apakah menyalahi aturan?

Dan untuk memberitahu kepada sesama pemburu hadiah, jangan rendahkan martabat kita karena kecerobohon, kecurangan, dan memikirkan diri sendiri. Jangan sampai kita ditindas aturan diforum ini, karena kita juga punya bagian tempat untuk berpendapat.
Walaupun kita pemburu hadiah, tunjukkan kalau kita berkelas.
Terima kasih, sehat selalu.

Thread English:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5038799.msg46213619#msg46213619

Yes, that's their key, more open, because we need trust in various parties, not just statements.

This paper aims to reduce misunderstandings between the three parties, the ICO project team (which organizes bounty campaigns), investors and bounty hunters.

As a bounty hunter, I often see conversations with fellow bounty hunters who often say "SCAM" in the telegram group of several projects that have not distributed tokens, but before the team had announced distribution schedules, let alone sales were still ongoing, the distribution schedule might be longer. Well, from that point, do not occasionally write the word "SCAM" in the group of a project if there is no strong and definite evidence, however it is very unsightly for the organizing team. Especially if the token sales are still ongoing, if investors who see the words "SCAM", it can change the minds of investors to cancel investments in the project.

And the "SCAM" project is very different from the "FAILURE" project, don't equate it.
- SCAM Project will only think about making a profit, no matter how it works, and he does not think of giving a reward for who helped him with promotion.
- FAILURE Project, as well as projects that have prepared everything for their purposes, procedures, allocation of funds, team data and others. But how else, the minimum amount of sales is not reached, or Soft Cap is not reached. But he is obliged to be responsible for returning the funds of investors who previously contributed. Because the project failed and lacked funds, most did not give rewards to bounty hunters. There are also several projects, although they failed to meet Soft Cap, but he still gives reward tokens to bounty hunters, such as Deep Aero, TimeBox and some others.


Note:
Soft Cap is the minimum target fund that must be achieved by a project in order to sustain the development of the project in the future.

Bukan memilih, tapi mengetahui atau mengerti proyek itu nyata dalam berbagai aspek, seperti data tim (benar/ palsu), keakuratan data ICO mereka seperti whitepaper/ website dll. Dan itu bukan perkara mudah untuk semua orang, khusus nya pemula. Resiko akun anda terancam redtrust jika ketahuan membantu promosi proyek penipuan/ scan.

Ada kayaknya, akun irfan_pak10- itu kayaknya indo, sama ane pernah bicara sama tim nya Wapinter juga indo, lebih lengkap para Bounty Manager terbaik dikumpulkan disini https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3085997.0

Ya, tapi untuk Bounty Manager dengan reputasi besar seperti newsilike, Wapinter, beberapa proyeknya gagal, nah itu kan yang dilihat Tim proyek ICO nya dari reputasi besarnya, tetapi masih bisa gagal, nah itu dalam alokasi dana bagaimana kedua belah pihak menyikapi?

Jadi bounty manager gitu kan dapat gajian juga ya gan, nah gajinya termasuk dalam alokasi bounty atau secara terpisah khusus? Kalau project yang ditanganinya gagal gitu gimana ya, pasti bingung antara kedua belah pihak

Beberapa coin besar turun seperti BTC, ETH, LTC, yang paling besar adalah ETH karena sebagai alat pembayaran utama untuk investasi ICO, jadi semakin banyak coin yang lahir maka harga semakin merata menurut saya,

Mungkin lebih lama jika ingin menjadikan aset crypto dilegalkan di Indonesia, karena berita terakhir, Bank Indonesia menolak mata uang crypto dijadikan alat pembayaran yang sah seperti yang tercantum di Undang-undang Dasar. Dan belum ada diskusi pemerintah yang menyinggung cryptocurrency. Jadi meskipun akan ditetapkan, pasti akan menunggu bagaimana penetapan di negara maju

Bisa kedua-duanya, bisa dilihat beberapa web jual beli online, seperti p-store.net yang sudah support menggunakan beberapa jenis aset digital sebagai alat pembayaran. Dan jika ini menjadi banyak diminati pengguna yang menggunakan alat pembayaran dengan aset digital, mungkin kedepan perkembangannya lebih meluas sebagai alat pembayaran. Tapi, juga bisa untuk sarana investasi jangka panjang.

Yes, I agree with your opinion, they make us gather to enlarge the community and each individual is very valuable to them, but we don't get the appropriate reward from it, they mostly offer false news for us to stay

Melihat dari kondisi sekarang, crypto sudah sangat berkembang pesat dan kegunaan dalam bermacam aspek sangat membantu. Sudah pasti dimasa depan akan semakin berkembang, mungkin bisa sebagai alat pembayaran yang sah dunia internasional, kita tidak tahu, karena transaksinya yang sangat efektif.

Bukan ditinggalkan, tapi investor mulai berkurang untuk memilih proyek ICO, mereka lebih memilih coin sudah mapan dan memiliki volume trading besar setiap harinya untuk investasi jangka panjang. Karena kita tahu sebagian besar, mungkin hampir 100% proyek ICO di saat ini banyak mengalami dump harga lebih 50% setelah rilis dimarket dari harga ICO nya meskipun itu termasuk proyek yg cukup bagus. Sangat sulit memang atau resiko besar bagi para investor.

Ya, tapi terserah pribadi masing2 untuk mengikuti event apa, tapi sesuai tujuannya Airdrop kebanyakan memberi nilai yang cukup kecil untuk setiap peserta karena ingin mengumpulkan anggota sebanyaknya untuk membuat komunitasnya lebih besar dengan alokasi yg merata dan tugasnya terbilang simpel, sedangkan Bounty hampir sama, tapi sesuai pilihan peserta untuk mendapatkan nilai besar dan tugasnya lumayan berat.

Yes, there are too many airdrop programs now, making most of them scam, to minimize that information on the main site of the project

Gak tentu satu bulan, Airdrop atau Bounty biasa dikirim dalam waktu sama setelah event yang dijadwalkan proyek itu, kebanyakan setelah penjualan ICO selesai ataupun crowdsale, itupun juga proyek itu batas penjualan nya tercapai, jika tidak ya jadi scam kalau udah kehabisan modal, jika manager proyek itu bertanggungjawab ya  refund modal ke investor, bisa dibilang gagal.