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21  Economy / Speculation / Re: MintChip Vs bitcoin, the currency wars are starting... who will win? on: April 05, 2012, 02:46:04 AM
I'm hoping an someone will accept the challenge, and build an app that accepts MintChips for BTC, and verse-vica.

I'm sure it can't win that competition, but it could make news, and maybe even be useful.
22  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Replacing Bitcoin with Bitcoin2 on: April 03, 2012, 03:04:23 AM
The only problem is what happens to people who have bitcoin stashes they can't access for long periods of time? If you have bitcoins hiding away for, say, ~30 years, and everyone else switches over to the new BTC2 or what have you during that time, won't your coins be left on an old, unused defunct blockchain that nobody even keeps anymore?

No, I think in this case Bitcoin is the genesis coin for Bitcoin2. You couldn't validate any BTC2 block without having BTC1's blockchain. I don't see a way to avoid this.
23  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Reuters: Our girl, Naomi O'Leary, did it. on: April 02, 2012, 02:34:19 AM
That may be the best outsider article I've ever read about Bitcoin. She really seems to have done her homework.

Kudos to everyone who helped her.
24  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: p2pfoundation Bitcoin criticism on: March 11, 2012, 02:44:40 AM
Don't you just love the fact that Bitcoin isn't just theory but it's an actual real ongoing experiment which is going disprove all these ridiculous fallacies and meet these boneheads who believe in them with reality?  Grin

I do.

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Nevertheless, what it really shows is that socially sovereign currencies are viable, and could be created as a tool of the countereconomy, though this may require a different ruleset for its functioning. so that true 'social' peer to peer values can be integrated in the design of future 'post-Bitcoin' currencies.

I do love it. I was just thinking that too - how, without state backing, these alternative currencies won't stand a chance against bitcoin - especially any with socialist leanings.
25  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2012- London on: March 08, 2012, 11:41:58 PM
I'll probably go to this conference. Sounds great.

Regarding topics and speakers I'd love some meaningfull discussion of debt-money in relation to bitcoin. In particular, because of the recent tend of exchanges offering redeemable codes (i.e. promise-to-pay bitcoin) -supposedly backed by real bitcoins (for now).

The parallels between this and the early gold standard strike me as highly problematic. For instance, the bitcoin protocol might limit the bitcoins to 21 million, but there is no limit to the amount of promise-to-pay codes issued on top of the real bitcoins. (fractional reserve)

Why is this good -or bad- and how will this effect the future of bitcoin?

I would think fractional reserve is possible with any currency - as soon as you have banks which hold them. The key, to me, is the check of sound money, and the lack of tender laws (to some degree).
26  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [SOLVED] Bitcoin's chicken and egg problem on: March 08, 2012, 02:05:20 AM
I guess I just don't get this whole concept. By showing that you have two internet-nickels to rub together, it somehow makes you a more serious buyer/contributor?

Just as in real life, wealth is an indicator of status and success. Not a guarantee, mind you, just an indicator.

It's pretty simple - by showing that you have money to spend, you'll be taken more seriously by people you trade with. I think it's a very clever feature of Ogrr

But the money is trifling amounts, like, fractions of cents...which is why it's ok. If it was anything more, it'd be a bank and a destroyer-of-anonymity to some extent.

I'm not sure I get it either, but as long as the members get it - I guess that's what matters. Maybe it's sort of like a micro-escrow: if you defraud another member, it takes some time to cash-out your nickels. Dunno.
27  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANNOUNCE] View .BIT Domains without any DNS Modifications or Special Software on: March 03, 2012, 05:48:05 AM
You, sir, are doing great work.

I would think this makes namecoins more valuable. Are there even price charts for NMC anymore?


Would https make this even more popular? Give an inch, we ask for a mile.


Thank you.
28  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Wow - So much to take in on: March 03, 2012, 04:58:45 AM
Bitcoins are just encrypted codes, you own them and nobody can take them from you.
And because there is an agreement to limit their number to 21,000,000 you can't lose them through inflation as well.

For OP's sake: Initially there's plenty of inflation. It's that we know there's an end to it - that's one of the big reasons to own them. The pre-scribed inflation rates are baked into their price. Anyone buying BTC knows this schedule (or should), and can act accordingly. The uncertainty of BTC inflation is taken out of the equation. The inflation uncertainty of the currency used to purchase the BTC - that's one driver of adoption.
29  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [Stratum] Overlay network protocol over Bitcoin on: February 27, 2012, 03:19:41 AM
A useful function of Stratum would be to pass around those endorsing signatures so that a client can quickly determine which is the most recent pre-compiled "block chain digest" that enjoys the overwhelming majority of community support.

Should Stratum keep track/report on nodes who endorse digests later proven to be in some way false? Is there enough peer pressure to promote only honest endorsements?
30  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: BIP 22? on: February 09, 2012, 04:16:31 AM
Gavin's call still, of course.  I will be just as tickled to see BIP 16 move into place, ultimately I just want to see multisig happen but don't care how it gets done, and BIP 16 is more than good enough for me.

I used my Phone-a-Friend and Ask the Audience, and I'm locking in BIP 16 as my Final Answer (follow the link if you don't get the stale pop culture reference).

Stale? Already?

Sad Time flies.

Casascius, this thread was educational, if nothing else.

Gavin, thank you for sticking with this all. Most humans would have really lost their cool - to the detriment of what may one day benefit billions of people. Even if bitcoin doesn't become THE one currency to rule them all, it's got a great shot at pointing the way - and THAT could benefit plenty of people. Teacher says "Every time someone proposes a new BIP to compete with 16, Gavin gets his wings."

31  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Push Bitcoin for the rich and elite? on: January 11, 2012, 04:08:27 PM
The rich already have their swiss bank accounts, tax consultancy services, good investment opportunities etc. Bitcoin offers nothing for them.

Swiss bank accounts aren't as useful as they used to be.

Bitcoin has qualities that could appeal to those with a lot of money to protect.
32  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MultiSig Deployment has been delayed! and OP_EVAL is DEAD. on: January 03, 2012, 09:26:45 PM
I am sad that all gavin's work have been wasted!  Sad

Don't be sad-- it hasn't been wasted at all. Most of the work was making multisignature transactions work properly, the OP_EVAL part was a small amount of code (which becomes an even smaller amount of code under the new PayToScriptHash scheme, which is one of the reasons I like it).

And re: new cycle of coding/testing/etc taking 3 more months:  I'm going to propose slipping the schedule by two weeks, which means a "network is fully validating the new transaction types" of Feb 15 instead of Feb 1.


That sounds fine. Even if we had to slip a month, it's far preferable to the loss of confidence from a bad regression.
33  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin in developing nations on: December 31, 2011, 03:55:28 AM
Things like this always look exorbitant when you're thousands of miles away, and aren't a party to the trade/contract. I'm sure there's plenty of risk.
34  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: ICBIT: Derivatives market (currency, index futures trading) on: December 31, 2011, 03:04:23 AM
watching
35  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Legalize internet poker in US? on: December 26, 2011, 05:15:18 PM
Bitcoin will be a competitive advantage that the little guys can use - offering faster/cheaper deposit/withdrawal alternatives for their clients. At some point the big boys will seek to quash such competition and purchase protection from their governments.
36  Economy / Speculation / Re: Did you talk about bitcoin at the Xmas party? on: December 26, 2011, 06:09:54 AM
I decided to give everyone a break today. It's too early to talk about it with just anyone.

I'm the only one holding.
37  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: My suggestions on how to make a decent client on: December 25, 2011, 05:29:52 AM
I'm grateful that the devs are listening to suggestions even when they're offered in imperfect ways.

I'm grateful that imperfect people are offering suggestions.

I'm grateful that many people are attempting to discover where their energy is best spent to advance bitcoin.

I'm grateful that someone I'll never meet was greedy enough to change the course of history for the better.

I'm grateful that that person was smart enough to trick lots of people into being greedy enough to change the course of history for the better.


My two cents is for a client that's as modular as possible. Let GUI-folk fight the GUI wars.

I'm continually impressed with the decisions and attitudes of the core developers. I hope you're fully vested, because bitcoin is going places.

Happy Holidays.
38  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: One Aspect of Bitcoin nobody ever talks about ... on: December 24, 2011, 05:38:03 AM
There are plenty of ways to protect the consumer if the consumer doesn't want to protect themselves, and I'm sure they will come to Bitcoin when it makes sense.

Well yeah, there are ways to protect the consumer. One of those tools is escrow.

However, I find it very irresponsible to market bitcoins without any extra layer as a more consumer friendly option to payments. They simply aren't.

OT's latest version (with smart contracts) comes with a sample script that does a two-way trade between Alice and Bob. Arbitrated escrow isn't much more -- I'll work up a script tonight and check it into github. (This was on my list for today already, in fact.)  Here's what I'm thinking:

The existing sample script takes X units of currency A from Alice and Y units of currency B from Bob. If both are successful, then it gives Alice's money to Bob, and gives Bob's money to Alice. (They are atomic, success or failure.)

The new contract will introduce a third party: the arbitrator. This will be a real escrow contract, which assumes there is some offline sale happening (ex. You are sending a guitar to someone in another state...) The contract must include the precondition and the postcondition. After the parties have signed the contract and activated it, X funds from Alice will be stashed inside the contract for 30 days, and then automatically transferred to Bob. If, during that 30 day period, Alice decides that Bob has not shipped her the guitar, she can trigger the dispute clause, which sends notices to Bob and the Arbitrator. She must send her evidence when she does this. After this, the funds will remain stashed in the contract for another 7 days, awaiting a Decision from the Arbitrator. If the arbitrator does not respond in X days, then the money goes back to Alice automatically. Otherwise the arbitrator may trigger a clause deciding the matter one way or the other. Some arbitration fee will be listed in the contract, along with any additional fee should Dispute() be triggered. There will also be clauses allowing the arbitrator to query Bob and Alice for additional information. Calling these will add a day or two to the 7 day timeout period.

You will be able to test the contract on your own machine, or use the OT test server to play around with it. If you have any thoughts on the above, please let me know so I can work them into the script.

-FT



This (and the multi-part-keys-so-a-wallet-doesn't-get-hacked stuff) is huge. It's the kind of technology that someone can wrap a business around. The assurances they can provide will calm a large percentage of candidate adopters. AT some point someone's going to come along and package this all up to feel like a credit card - only with built-in discounts.
39  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Backing Bitcoin with People on: December 23, 2011, 04:33:36 AM
The OP reminds me of Allthis:

http://mashable.com/2011/10/18/allthis/
40  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and Diaspora on: December 09, 2011, 05:07:48 AM
Ripple denominated in Bitcoin. Settle your debts with actual coin, or transfer your debt via a credit you have with a mutual friend.

Beautiful.


+1
I've always envisioned ripple with dollars. Duh.
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