Interesting who is pushing price down now.  Guys do not make mistake by selling now, you will loose money. Those who did it before won already, this train is gone. HOLD till news! Just wait till January and take it easy.  Nope. Those who sell now, will save themselves from more losses. I've seen this downtrend pattern with waves, amps, stratis and several other altcoins. Once the insider whales exit, you can kiss the coin goodbye, save for some miracle in the long term or some whale that targets it for a pump. All these crooked devs are making money from ico, pumping thier own coin, dumping and making the irish exit. |
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It will be funny how those who sell before announcement will loose money just after couple days.
I don't think so. There is a massive dump underway. I just sold all my ICN thankfully at a break even. 300k sold before the delay is definitely an inside job which means devs are untrustworthy. Up to you guys but once I see unethical shit, I get out and would recommend you all do the same. |
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As of today 1 DASH masternode (1000 DASH) can still be traded 1000 XMR. Prediction: After this month, there will never be another chance to exchange 1000 DASH for 1000 XMR. Quote me and laugh all you want. My reasoning is supported by recent GitHub activity of both DASH and XMR. Can't read code? Join the next Monero developer meeting on IRC to hear the latest updates. Here are the logs from the last meeting. Not everyone followed my friendly advice to convert DASH into XMR at a greater than 1/1 ratio and that is okay. There are other things that some people value more than money that is secure, private and untraceable. When it comes to GIFs and pictures of holiday trees DASH is one of the best projects in crypto. I mean that sincerely. That is a beautiful holiday tree! Have a wonderful new year! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Nice to see that the Dash project collected a lot of smart and active people around (in 2016 I met with many "Dash-people" personally). There was a lot of work In 2016, and platform for a reliable start into the future was created. Thanks to everyone who took part in it! 2017 promises to be even more interesting for Dash - join us!  Lovely tree  Thanks for all the community activities during 2016, cool videos, meetups and interesting projects. Happy 2017 all Dashers! Not sure why it's supposed to be either XMR or DASH. They both have a different objective which shapes their development. One wants to achieve privacy and the other wants to push towards mainstream. I personally put my chips on DASH as all the fundamentals are there and there is consistent growth. One is targeting the less than 1% crowd while the other wants the 99%. Whether this is executed is a whole other question, although I am confident on the development. But again, I'm sure there are people that have both. I just think DASH will do much better in the long run. |
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On the Road Again: sign up for Synereo’s upcoming alpha release has begunOn our way to build a fully decentralized social network, built on the principals of the Attention Economy, Synereo is determined to release a series of intermediary applications, paving the way for a complete and decentralized platform. Synereo’s upcoming releases are designed to bootstrap the foundations and network effects necessary to follow through on our vision of a working, populated decentralized and distributed social network; in the process, granting real-life value to AMPs. The first step on this road is our upcoming alpha. Synereo’s first social product implements usable Attention Economy elements, employing AMPs as a means of social amplification. If you want to be among the first to play with the early release and provide us with your impressions and feedback, helping us shape the application, feel free to request an invite here: https://www.synereo.com/Coming next, on January 20th, we will disclose Synereo’s new development plan, detailing the strategy and milestones on the path towards a platform capable of running Synereo’s social network in decentralized and distributed form. So Stay tuned; there’s much more to come. In the meantime, in order to direct all of our time and attention towards the development process, and to provide you with a useful product as soon as possible, we intend to take a short interlude from our traditional weekly hangouts. We are, as usual, available for questions and comments on slack and via email at hello@synereo.com, and we’ll of course keep you up to date here and through our newsletter. Hangouts will be resumed in a slightly different format after the holidays, as soon as the upcoming alpha is ready to be fully disclosed. See you on the other side. We appreciate your attention, — The Synereo Team Stfu Dor, you scumbag cheap Israeli scam artist. Haven't you robbed your "donators" enough?? For those that have any rational sense, please see AMP for the scam it is. All this piece of shit is doing is buying more time while he gets away and people forget, cut their losses and move on. Those of us who have been saying it's a scam have said this during the 2nd ico as the price was going up. All the red flags were there for a beautifully orchestrated double milking from the "donations" and dumps. Short interlude my ass. Rot in hell Dor and co. |
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How can you get Byteball at this point? I just downloaded the wallet.
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AMP let me lose 1000%
Sorry to hear that you got scammed by Dor. You want payback? Go on Facebook, look him up and let every one of his friends know what a greedy scumbag he is. I understand exactly how you feel because I got burnt the same way with other ICOs. |
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It makes sense, the more people donated to btc slice of the pie, then they get less because of split among btc donors...even the pie for btc is much bigger than etc and xrp (btc had the bigger bonus/portion, so that isn't fair for xrp, etc holders if you want to think it like that). Not much donated in xrp and etc, so that slice of the pie will yield more. If you want, go donate some xrp and etc.
btc 70% slice of the pie is super huge compare to xrp and etc. All is fair. Everyone should read before throwing funds then complain and whine.
Yes, some people didn't read the terms carefully and yelling scam and unfair, it is my first time to see such a structure of donation/ico, but it will teach us, read the rules&terms carefully in the future. You are absolutely right. The BTC "donators" are not the only ones that will get scammed, but everyone will. Remember, that the terms lay out that you are giving away your money to them with no obligation on their part to do absolutely anything. The early original BTC bonus on their part was very misleading to the BTC donators and they did not make the calculator public until now. Don't think they did not know that this would happen. They've now done this on purpose to get the BTC donators to contribute more in alt coins in order to level out their losses. The more I see these ICO scams, the more I am utterly horrified at how much these scumbags are taking advantage of people. The tokens haven't been launched and they've already screwed over people. What an absolute shame and they won't even comment or respond on how they intend to make this fair for everyone. |
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0.01 per TIME prices in the ico? it's too high for me to join
good luck your project.
This is why I didn't participate in this ICO. Pegging an arbitrary value per TIME rather than letting the market set the value is a red flag. There is nothing to base this valuation on other than speculation. What is the total amount of TIME which will be available? |
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Glad to see that people are avoiding this scam like the plague.  All of a sudden, there is a need for more "donation" rounds. Stas, How about you fucking stick to your word and commitment and accept how much "donations" you receive this time around. Or is that not enough for you you greedy bastard. Do you plan on conducting the same scam as your buddy Dor Konforty did with AMPs and pump up Wings and hold 2nd, 3rd , 4th ICOs and then dump all your holdings. All potential victims need to do is visit the AMPs thread to see the scam that Stas' buddy pulled off. All of a sudden, there are unforseen delays with AMPs. I predict the same thing will happen to wings. |
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As I accurately predicted, this whole thing was an absolute scam orchestrated by the P.O.S. Dor. There were so many red flags all over the place, such as how does it make logical sense to organize a 2nd ICO on a freakin coin that's already trading. It's like Google organizing a 2nd IPO for $1000. It makes ZERO sense..........
Secondly, the coin by sheer "coincidence" gets pumped and reaches its highest level during the ICO in order to artificially inflate the ICO price. Nothing is a coincidence in the Cryptoworld, the coin was clearly pumped by Dor and co. to squeeze as much money out of people and then dumped right after the 2nd ICO.
Dor is nothing but a professional con artist that has ZERO intention of developing this coin. Everything is show and tell. Like I've said before, I've done business with the likes of Dor and they are well known in the business world as greedy and cheap con artists that will stab you in the back for an extra penny. You can't trust them. These people are akin to used car salesman that will deliberately sell you a car with the defects created by them knowing full well that it will break down in a couple of weeks and you will come back to them and pay them to repair the car that they just sold you. You guys don't see the parallel with how Dor scammed you with AMPs?? He fucked people on the ICO and then double fucked even more people by dumping his non public amps.
If you don't believe me, the value of the coin speaks for itself as its close to being worthless. I am predicting from now that Dor will come up with some other excuse or orchestrate another calamity to further delay the project so that the people who got scammed in the 2nd ICO will slowly accept cutting their closes.
I wish nothing by extreme misfortune and plenty of future suffering on Dor for all the suffering the cheap greedy bastard caused people. Any eye for an eye.
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Its no big deal guys. Just one Jew supporting a bunch of other Jews.
Nothing to do with that. I have Jewish friends who despite my strong warning and all the glaring red flags invested into the 2nd ico and lost a lot thanks to the scam artist Dor. It's not a coincidence that the coin gets pumped to 50x its original value during the ICO only to conveniently plummet right after the ICO ends. Nothing is a coincidence!!! The scumbag pumped it up to steal the most amount of money out of investors. Unlike many here, I've done business with people like Dor and I can tell you that they have a well known general reputation in the business community for being money hungry, cheap, super greedy and will cut corners and screw people over if it makes them an extra penny. They are not to be trusted. I would actually not be surprised if he flat out orchestrated this whole "fight" in order to kick off the abandonment of the coin with a convenient excuse. Payback comes in all forms. If you got severely burnt by this con artist, you have his full name (Dor Konforty) and he's on all social media. Why don't you message all his friends and let them know how much of a good human this con artist is. Burn him like he burnt you. |
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I hope you guys are reading the wonderful stipulations they are having you agree to prior to giving them free money- terms that are designed for your own protection as they claim of course. “WINGS” may not assure or warrant that the WINGS’ community will allocate “WINGS Token” to the “Donators” as proposed by “WINGS” (and set forth hereinafter).2.7 Risk of Alternative, Unofficial “WINGS Platforms”
It is possible that alternative platforms could be established and be adopted by the community, which utilize the same open source code and open source protocol underlying “WINGS Platform”, but differ in specific issues. Not only may such platforms negatively impact the “WINGS Platform”; but there is also a risk that if such unofficial platforms are accepted by the community, the community will not allocate, and the “Donators” will therefore not receive, “WINGS Token” to “Donators”.
2.5 Risk of Abandonment / Lack of Success
The “WINGS” project may be abandoned for a number of reasons, including lack of interest from the public, lack of funding, lack of commercial success or prospects (e.g. caused by competing projects). You therefore understand that there is no assurance that, even if the “WINGS Platform” is partially or fully developed and launched, you will receive any benefit through the “WINGS Platform” and/or any “WINGS Token”. |
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We all know the reasons all these guys are running to Switzerland to register the company (called now foundation), they are only going there to protect themselves not the investors. In my country most of if not all corrupt officials have been accused to have Swiss bank accounts because the country allows for some kind of protection for these people. I will appreciate it, if you guys will stop running to Switzerland to register your company. You are just talking novice investors for granted.
Donor: a person who gives money or goods to an organization
Investor: a person who puts money into something in order to make a profit or get an advantage.
Just check the dictionary mean of this two terms. A donor is a giver.
Thank you for giving your Bitcoin to Wings foundation.
Again, isn't it funny how they registered as a Swiss company but complain about the SEC which is a United States regulator. Their "legal" clearly forgot about the concept of jurisdiction. Just in much the same way, they advised them to use the very popular "donation" structure, just to make "everyone" and the "structure" is adequately protected. |
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wings.ai can you tell me what is going to happen if the first goal is not reached? What will happen to the less than 5000 btc raised?
Also i still don't understand what will happen to all the money raised (please don't tell me to see roadmap) I don't understand the roadmap, to me is just a bunch of letters that doesn't tell me anything, the last DAO of slock.it that failed, at least all the 100 million dollar there raised was strictly to fund projects of proposals posted by the own DAO members. With your Roadmap is just telling me, first 5000 raised will be for enabling chatbot v1, who cares about chatbot? I don't know why i have the impression that you guys are charging for the technology? Like with 5000 BTC we'll enabling you THIS, Instead of with 5000 BTC the DAO members will have 5000 BTC to decide which proposal(s) they want to fund.
Please enlighten me.
Finally, people are waking up and seeking the glaring holes and red flags. |
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This guys is full of shit. If you don't see how much of a scam this whole campaign is, then you deserve to lose all your money.
It appears that you have something personal against our project or / and team, otherwise I find it hard to explain how you mixed so much negativity into a single post. Still, you took the time to raise your concerns in public, and we feel obliged to answer on them. There are no legal and regulatory laws preventing any company from having legitimate investors. If they really are confident in their product, then they shouldn't have any issue with calling investors what they are (or are they too scared to have REAL obligations to deliver). Investors clearly understand the risks of investing, but calling them "donators" is just pretty much robbing you in broad daylight. Which company out there calls people "donators"?? You buy a stock of a company, you are an investor and shareholder flat out. When Facebook, Twitter and Google conducted their IPOs, did they ask for "donations".
You really should look into SEC regulations including Howey test for unregistered securities, and how SEC can pursue any company worldwide that has even a single US based investor, before posting such statements. Rather than rushing into ICO (which we could do as early as June), we spent 5 months deeply studying the subject, including working with one of the leading legal companies, in order to set up the best available structure that will protect us, our users and the companies that will be using Wings. Designating any transaction as a donation is a part of the structure, and it has nothing to do with any of the other reasons that you have mentioned. For the matter of fact, one of the most successful altcoin projects Ethereum, was also set up as a non-profit foundation (and actually done by the same legal team), would you accuse them as a scam because of that? This scheme brings into mind Synerio AMPs where Dor Konforty ran with the same "donation" scam and fucked over all his "donators" when they lost more than 70% of what they put in before they even got their coins. Guys, please wake up. You have a snake oil salesman who is pretty much selling you snake oil and not even hiding the fact that its snake oil. Do not "donate" to this fucker who will steal your money. These guys (and I believe many are ex crypti) are all part of the same developer cartels that copy, develop, pump and dump the coins that you won't hear about in a years time. Just look at what happened with Lisk, the DAO, and Synerio AMPs.
We don't have any relation whatsoever to Synereo, which also to my best knowledge is a US LLC company, rather than a Swiss non-profit foundation. Same with the DAO, and the only relation to Lisk, is that we shared same team with its founders (Max and Olivier), taking no part in Lisk campaign (beyond supporting Crypti until the transition to Lisk was completed). I'm sorry if you lost any money on these projects, however you really should address these concerns with these project leaders, rather than projecting this experience on us. It worth emphasizing that one of the main reasons that Wings was established in the first place, was to bring more accountability to the crowd-funded projects, and returning control back to the project backers via DAO mechanics. We hope that once people see the benefit in such control over projects, they will demand from the project creators using Wings or / and similar platforms, in order to make sure the creator sticks to the original commitments, including how many project tokens the creator has access to. Here is the funny thing. I actually have a background in finance, legal and compliance. Gee what a coincidence Enough to wholeheartedly tell everyone on this forum that you are lying piece of shit. 1) You registered your "non-profit" in Switzerland which is not in the U.S. Hence, What relation would a U.S. regulator have over a company that's not even in the U.S.? 2) The SEC is a regulator for companies that issue SECURITIES to INVESTORS which is why its called the SECURITIES and Exchange Commission. WINGS is not a Security. If anything, Cryptocurrency has been deemed as a commodity which is out of the jurisdiction of the SEC. But that all doesn't matter, because you're in Switzerland anyway. Where did you get this "legal" advice again? Did you google all this up and try to concoct pieces together to make it sound like it makes sense? Clearly, you didn't do a good job. Also "Donation" as part of a structure? Fucking Seriously?? You mean the structure to protect yourself and screw over all the investors. Again, there is no law that forbids having investors. Again common sense,all you people that are thinking of investing, have any of you heard of a legitimate company that operates under this "donation" structure? Because, I haven't. Not even actual REAL companies that issue securities and actually fall under the SEC jurisdiction utilize this "donation" structure. You should return all the money which you've robbed people of already!! To all potential investors, (sorry I mean donators), DO NOT give your money to this crook. This is a clear scam!!!! |
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Now that the Full Node is out, what other exchanges has Waves been added to?
Still no more, patience is all we need, but waves is highly controlled by the whales, they can easily pump it to the moon, or dump to ground  Correct, it's being controlled by a single whale actually. Just pay attention to the buys and sells. The buys are now being padded with small amounts to accelerate the impact of a future dump. The way to win when the whales are manipulating is to sell into their walls as their pumping up the price- contrary to what most people do when the whales pump which is to buy. Now and the next couple of days will be the best time to sell and exit before they dump and then re purchase whenever everyone is selling  Its hard to fight human impulse but you must do the opposite of what the whales want you to do. Or just hold for a few weeks, like a sane person. This is true and it probably is the safest course of action especially for long term. However, if there are strong signs of an impending dump coming up like there is now since the increase is driven by a single whale rather than natural demand, its better to sell and repurchase more waves cheaper. If you look at the chart, the line is going straight up and I guarantee you this will not last very long and will result in another very big dump very soon ( a couple of days or sooner). |
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Protip: Winners aren't losers.The people panic selling at a loss right now are morons and losers. If you are one of these saps, you have no one to blame but yourself. Go look in the mirror and feel ashamed. This project has unlimited potential and is the best crypto project around. If you can't recognize this, you need to get out of crypto before you hurt yourself. The winners are the ones who purchased during the first crowdsale and are holding or selling, and those who bought in at the last crowdsale and are holding through this downturn. The first crowdsale buyers had to hold through a ~50% drop and an illiquid market for much longer than this. They came out on the other side smelling like a rose. The devs aren't manipulating the market. You can see the dev wallets on the blockchain. If you're losing money right now because you're selling, it's because you're an idiot. I earned three times in this project.
A winnerSynerio is a scam. It is tested and proven information repeatedly.
Where developers now, why do not they come to their investors to buy them for 30k? What can they say?
A loser Keep this message rather! You hear what he tells? Developers consider that: INVESTORS WHO INVESTED THE MONEY ON THEIR SECOND ICO - LOSERS.THE PATHETIC SPECULATOR WHO EARNED ON PUMP&DUMP - THE WINNER.You really should close the mouth. I almost invested in the 2nd ICO, when I did my homework and realized the absurdity of having an ICO (look at the irony when the first word is "Initial") on coins that were already out in the market. It's like google doing another IPO for 1000 a share. Secondly throughout the 2nd ICO, the coins were also cheaper to buy outright for most of the time that the ICO was going on, so why anyone would pay more just beats me. Clearly the developers were trying to take advantage of people who didn't any better. Thirdly, I also find it EXTREMELY SUSPECT that the dumps conveniently start to happen right after the ICO is over. It is almost like dumpers were in sync with the developers or perhaps they were one and the same? Fourthly, as the dumps started to happen, all of a sudden the developers start to incessantly refer to the investors as "donators" and "donations". The red flags are all there. Perhaps the greedy developers will still indeed continue working on the project and it does shoot to the moon. In either case, the developers have the ICO money AND the proceeds from the dumps. If the project succeeds, it will be another win for them. The victims here are the "donators" who fell prey to the developers' greediness. I feel the pain because I lost a lot in the past to similar scams. Don't worry my fellow investors, Karma is a bitch and it will come back to bite Dor and his fellow scam artists very soon. Hopefully, one of them contracts cancer, gets into a car accident or suffers a painful death in their family, but what goes around comes around. |
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Now that the Full Node is out, what other exchanges has Waves been added to?
Still no more, patience is all we need, but waves is highly controlled by the whales, they can easily pump it to the moon, or dump to ground Correct, it's being controlled by a single whale actually. Just pay attention to the buys and sells. The buys are now being padded with small amounts to accelerate the impact of a future dump. The way to win when the whales are manipulating is to sell into their walls as their pumping up the price- contrary to what most people do when the whales pump which is to buy. Now and the next couple of days will be the best time to sell and exit before they dump and then re purchase whenever everyone is selling Its hard to fight human impulse but you must do the opposite of what the whales want you to do. |
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It looks like its being pumped by a single whale whose manipulating both the buy and sell side on Bittrex which means it will be dumped at some point in the very near future. Just hold what you have and don't buy. The opportunity to sell will come very soon as the whale will not stay for the long run.
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Looks like we bottom out?
Yeah, back up we go the whales have had their fun. Not sure we're out of the clear yet. This may be followed by another wave dump back to 26-27k to get people to dump more waves. |
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