"You show me proof with my product and address from the day you sent it" isn't a proper sentence. I can't really understand what you want.

If I sent the PS3 I can't show you the product "and address", or whatever you're asking me for. All I can do is show you proof that I sent the package, and show you the customs declaration.

"If" you receive the PS3 isn't my problem. I sent it, it's in Pakistan, and I have a picture of the actual customs declaration which I can't fake. I went in, asked for the receipts from the 27th of Jan, gave them my ID, and the guy came back with a customs receipt and told me that you can check the customs number. He didn't give me a copy of the shipping receipt (The amount I paid in shipping).

I don't know what else you want that's in my power to give. I can't make the mail go faster. Something being "just a damn tracking number" is enough for anyone on this forum, generally speaking. You wanted tracking, I gave you a tracking number. You wanted proof that I sent it, I have the customs declaration. What more do you want?

Wait no longer.

https://i.imgur.com/0OTu1At.png

Customs number:

CW948925336US - Use this for tracking


1BLof6TrkC3xGEjryMWgdrNFw7SoAyJzES

Whenever you have time. Thanks.

It turns out I was wrong in accusing Smack of trying to scam money off of the PS3 price. The tracking lists the item as having been processed in Pakistan as of Feb. 12th. I'm assuming that means the package hasn't gotten to it's destination, and not that he had received it and used my horrid reputation to pull a fast one. I apologize.

I'm assuming that you saw me getting negative rep, me all but admitting to being a scammer, and got worried that I didn't send the item. You had no tracking to reassure you. I would have thought the same thing in your position.

I didn't realize you could use a customs number for tracking. The lady at USPS told me that there wasn't tracking on the package, so all I had were the receipts, which I tossed after a while. If I would have known the customs number could be used for tracking, I'd have sent it to you.

I'll be interested to see if you actually send the $34 in BTC "for my troubles".

Nine hours ago Smack filed a chargeback.

So after I said I would provide proof, the chargeback was filed. I can't stop the chargeback for two reasons:

1: I have no tracking information (And I highly doubt the shipping/customs receipts will be enough for PayPal)

2: That PP account is at like -$300 anyway so I don't care about $66.


I'd just like to point out that the chances of Smack scamming $66 off of the price of this PS3 are pretty high at this point. But that's okay, right? I'm a scammer, so it's okay for other people to steal from me. Get what you deserve, what goes around, pot calling the kettle, etc. No problem.

I'm posting the receipt copies here tomorrow (Assuming USPS can give them to me the same day I ask for them). I'm interested to see how the community handles Smack "scamming" a "scammer". Does he get neg repped for that? Is it okay because it's me? Is it okay because it's a scammer in general? This is an excellent sociological experiment.

I have two theories on this...

1: He's scamming $66 off of the price because he can or because I have the reputation of a thief, so it's okay to do that to me.

2: He's in full panic mode because he knows who I am and what I do, and genuinely believes that I didn't send the Playstation.

The receipts should crush #2, so I'm really interested to see what happens after that. I'll update you folks later. (I love bitcointalk drama, don't you? )

You aren't listening.

I offered to show you the receipts and you REFUSED the offer. I THREW THEM AWAY.

I'm not returning shit to you, and that's not why I'm posting here. I'm posting here because you're saying I scammed you when I didn't scam you.

*Edit*

After speaking with another user on the forums, I've decided to try to get copies of the receipts from the post office. It won't change anything regarding my other transactions, but it will clear this matter up. You'll hear back from me with images of the receipts within a week.

http://imgur.com/FXM2ID9,QM3ZaTq,yMOw7vP,fvlBKvB,1ey11aI,IMRh0n1,Nz5ioxt

Done.

I offered you the fucking receipts, and you didn't want to see them. You told me to save them for customs, but days passed and I cleaned my apartment. I tossed everything, including the little paper I wrote the name and address you gave me on. That isn't my problem.

I WOULD NOT HAVE OFFERED YOU THE RECEIPTS WHICH I HAD SITTING NEXT TO MY KEYBOARD UNLESS I HAD SHIPPED THE PLAYSTATION 3.

*Edit - condensed my posts*

And before any of you e-detectives say "HEYTHUR, THAT THUR SKYPE NAME IS THE SAME AS SOMEONE ELSE'S", spare me. I think we all know who I am. I'm posting this simply because I did not scam this user, regardless of who I am or who I have scammed.

*Edit - condensed my posts*

No one? People want to make little cute comments about this until I actually post something that suggests the item was shipped?

I'm not looking for friends, but Jesus - you guys are hilarious. A simple "Hm. Looks like he might have actually sent the item" would be good enough. Maybe comment on the fact that I openly offered pictures of the shipping/customs receipts? Nothing? Anyone?

Don't get me wrong, Smack is going to file his Chargeback because he's trying to get a PS3 for dirt cheap. He's going to WIN that chargeback since I abandoned that PayPal account. So he's going to get his Playstation 3 for about $60 USD in BTC, I'm out a PS3 (I broke even on shipping) and some time, but that's fine.

I just wanted to clear all of this up. If I'm (hypothetically) the guy you folks think I am, then you know I get irate when people post false info about me. I've always been eager to let you know when you had the wrong addresses, I've always been more than happy to invite you to meet up with me (Because I know you won't show, hence I'm shattering the integrity of your bravado), and I've always told the (obfuscated for legal reasons) truth about my activities once a run is finished.

This account's run is finished, there's nothing to lie about any more.

I sent this guy the Playstation 3.

You simple bastard. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THIS ACCOUNT'S TRUST. I DID NOT MAKE ANY MONEY OFF OF YOU AS I PAID FUCKING 60+ DOLLARS IN SHIPPING COSTS.

KEEP TALKING. I'M PULLING THE SKYPE CONVO.

You bastard. I knew you were going to do that. Okay, let me pull our Skype convo. You're about to get hit with a dose of reality.

I'll give you a hint, one of them isn't lying. I told you via PM that if I hypothetically scammed someone else, that doesn't mean anything as to this situation. I didn't scam this guy, and if I did, I would either admit to it, or just not say anything.


I don't care if you remove your negative trust, I care that this guy is blatantly lying about me, or is making an assumption.

Also, I PROMISE you that the other matter won't get cleared up.


Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got your point.


Hypothetically, the situation with Pok was that I was trying to save my reputation by lying. I don't care about this account's reputation at this point. The situation with Smack is that he's saying I did something that I didn't do. That pisses me off.


Ugh. I can barely respond to this in a calm way. I'm not really interested where "we" are. I have multiple accounts, I use TOR, and I haven't even been active recently due to the SATs. My reputation on this forum will never recover, and that's fine with me. I'm okay with that.

What I'm NOT okay with is someone putting something on my rap sheet that I didn't do.

If I steal from someone, I'll at least hypothetically admit to it, or blatantly admit to it if I know I can't be touched legally. I didn't steal from this guy. I sent him his PS3.


I think you're missing the point of a new account.

That name is just some name I found on the internet. A thousand names for a thousand reasons.


Not really. All you're going to say is that I scammed you, which I didn't do. I sent you the package. After they slapped the shipping label and customs copy on it, it was out of my hands. You messaged me on Skype talking about I would have to "do some legwork"? No. You got it wrong.

Hypothetically speaking - I'M A SCAMMER. IF I STEAL FROM PEOPLE ON A REGULAR BASIS, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I'M GOING TO TRACK YOUR PACKAGE DOWN ONCE IT'S OUT OF MY STATE/COUNTRY? ARE YOU INSANE? I SHIPPED YOU THE PS3, AND WHAT HAPPENED TO IT AFTER I SHIPPED IT TO THE ADDRESS YOU GAVE ME ISN'T MY PROBLEM. BUT DON'T POST SHIT ABOUT ME INTENTIONALLY RIPPING YOU OFF WHEN I DIDN'T DO THAT AT ALL.

None of this is hard to grasp. It's the old story of a serial killer saying "But I didn't kill that one". I didn't rip this guy off. I sent his items, and he accused me of scamming him on Skype and on here. That's all.

Sent you a PM offering to explain everything to you on Skype. I've never offered that to anyone before, so take that for what it's worth.

I'm an honest criminal, after all.

But I did. I shipped it. End.


Fair enough.


Your timeline is messed up, friend. My first transaction was for BTC with escrow, my second was with crowetic for Antminers that he paid for up front. This transaction was also intended to be a rep builder. Anything that happened outside of those deals have nothing to do with building a positive reputation.


No, I'm telling you that AFTER I PAID FOR SHIPPING, TEN DOLLARS WAS LEFT AS PROFIT. I sold this PS3 to this guy, shipping the thing to Pakistan, and only made $10 at the end of the day off of it. I should have taken you up on your offer when I had the chance, but that's hindsight for you.


1: That isn't white inbred trash talk. It's a fact. Pakistan is a third-world country. It isn't racist, it isn't derogatory, it's a fact.

2: I don't intend on making any friends on this account (Or any other, to be honest). I'm here to make money, period. I don't need to be friendly unless I'm working someone. I was friendly with this guy even after he started blowing up my Skype asking about the package. I didn't mind at first as I would do the same thing. He paid up front, I shipped the PS3. After I realized that since I didn't get tracking, and since I told him THE SAME DAY I SHIPPED that I didn't get tracking, he could cry foul and I can't do much about it.

Now I realize that it really doesn't matter if I do something about it. He paid me the BTC, and my PayPal account is closed (The balance he sent is lost). So I didn't make any money off of this PS3 when you factor in shipping. If I provide shipping proof, it doesn't fix anything. If he scammed me, it doesn't change anything. I still don't have my money (And that's not his fault).


Actually it's two S5s, power supplies, fans, about $800 in computer parts, a yoga mat (Don't ask), and a new calculator.

And I didn't send myself the message.

In fact, since you are involved in that situation, I'll address that:

If I DID scam that guy for Amazon, let me say this: I didn't send myself that message. I was legitimately warned by another user who I promised not to name (upon request) about a scam. The text is as follows:


To spell it out for you (Since you people around here really don't understand reading between the lines)...

I got that message as soon as I posted in that guy's thread.

I then worked some Amazon out of that guy.

The message wasn't sent by me.

I gave no shits about the message, but used it as a good defense.

The message is genuine, but it doesn't really matter.

Does that clear it up for you at all? I DIDN'T SEND THE FUCKING MESSAGE TO MYSELF, AND I SHIPPED THIS GUY'S PS3. THOSE ARE FACTS. Anything else is irrelevant.


I use TOR, first off.

Second off, I'm not worried.

Thirdly, I don't CARE about those receipts. Sure, I could walk to USPS and get the record of the shipment - I don't CARE to. If I prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I shipped the PS3, what changes? I've still made no money off of it due to shipping, I still have negative rep (And I should have negative rep, just not for the PS3), and this guy will still make up another story.

You aren't reading between the lines, here. I really shouldn't have to literally confess to felonies for you to get it.

I've completed exactly three legitimate transactions on this account. No more, no less. I sold crowetic antminers which arrived after I was paid up front. I shipped a PS3 to this Paki after I was paid up front. I bought bitcoins from a user from Nepal using escrow.

I have some kind of personality flaw and/or mental problem where I simply cannot stand someone accusing me of something I didn't do. If the shoe fits, by all means, but I didn't do this.

I don't care about my reputation on this account - I've long since bought another one and I'm doing fine. However, I did not scam this user.

Again, I shipped his PS3 to the address he gave me. I have complete records of our conversations (Assuming Skype didn't delete them when I blocked him), and I can pull the shipping information if I feel like it. If the USPS keeps records of customs forms, then I can pull the FUCKING RECORD OF THE CUSTOMS DECLARATION THAT I FILLED OUT.

I fucking WALKED IN THE COLD to get to the post office to ship that fucking thing. I carried the PS3, power cable, and controller in a brown plastic bag (the ones you get from grocery stores) to protect it from the light rain that was coming down that day. I used the information that Smack That Ace gave me. I put his mobile number on the package. I followed his fucking instructions exactly except that there was no tracking on the package.

Again, (and I cannot stress this enough), I used this guy as a reputation builder. I sold antminers to crowetic, sold this guy a PS3, and took payment up front for both to BUILD MY REPUTATION. He's trying to either pull a scam, or the package got caught at customs.

There is literally nothing in it for me to scam this guy - I don't have the fucking PS3 because I SENT IT TO PAKISTAN.

IF I WOULD HAVE SCAMMED THIS GUY I'D HAVE SOLD IT TO SOMEONE ELSE.

The irony of all of this is that PayPal wanted me to wait 21 days before I could get his payment (He sent half in BTC). I never did get that, as I scammed some MyCash and closed the account.

In other words, I lost a PS3. The amount of BTC he sent covered shipping PLUS TEN DOLLARS.

Repeat - I GOT TEN DOLLARS FOR THIS PS3. Big scam, right? Yeah, no.

If I hit this guy, I would tell you. I give no shits if I'm caught scamming someone. I didn't hit this guy. It seems he hit me, or his third-world country has his PS3 at customs.

If you REALLY want me to get real about this entire situation, let me put it like this - It was in my best LEGAL interest that I shipped that PS3. So I did. End of discussion.


And if you knew anything about the person you mentioned, you would know that if I were him, I would admit to hitting someone. Especially someone from Pakistan who can't take any action against me. I didn't fucking scam this guy. I shipped that PS3. If he would bitch about it not working, I'd believe it. I didn't test it other than to see if it turned on. It turned on. The side sliding panel opens. That was enough for me. He's not saying that the package is at customs, he's not saying that it doesn't work, he's saying that I never sent it WHICH IS INCORRECT.

Again, I don't fucking care if he actually received the PS3 or not. I do care that he's trying to put something on my jacket that isn't accurate. If I hit someone for 30 BTC, I'll admit to it, because I simply don't give a fuck. I didn't scam this guy - I sent his console.

I'll try to suppress my personality disorder that makes me respond to inaccuracies about what I've done. I'm out.

That's 110% bullshit. I sent the PS3, power cable, and the controller to the address YOU provided. I offered to show you receipts THE DAY AFTER I SHIPPED THE ITEM, you said "nah bro". I cleaned my apartment and tossed them, and one day later you complained about shipping time and wanted to see the receipts.

I don't know if the package genuinely got lost in customs or you're just trying to make yourself feel better by making accusations before you do a PayPal chargeback or what. I don't really care either way as I've been done with this account for some time, but I sent your PS3.

I repeat - I SENT YOUR PS3.

If I felt like going through the trouble, I would go back to the post office and pull the customs form records which have the address you gave on them as well as my info and signature, but I really don't care. I shipped your PS3 in a plain shipping box with no tracking. I paid over $60 for shipping which would have been 80+ with flat-rate. I SHOULD have went flat-rate to get automatic tracking included (in the US anyway), but I wasn't too pleased that I was only making ~$50 on a ~$170 PS3 as it was.

Take your Pakistani scam elsewhere, buddy. I shipped your fucking console. I put the mobile number you gave me on the shipping label, the Korean lady that works at the post office verified the address you gave me to check for spelling errors, and I filled out the customs form properly.

I have nothing more to say on this topic. If I scammed you, I wouldn't have even logged into this account today, as I'm finished with it. I've completed exactly three legitimate deals on this account: I sold two Antminer S3s to crowetic, I shipped you the PS3, and I bought Bitcoins from some guy from Nepal with escrow.

Believe me, if I scammed you, I'd already have the PS3 listed on here under another account name. That thing is sitting in Pakistan customs somewhere, I promise you that.

And I'm out.

Again, without revealing the name of the person who sent me this (I will do so in court if needed):

https://i.imgur.com/8YmjzRB.png

Now I think I'm finally done with this thread. It's late and I have no patience for this kind of nonsense when I haven't slept. I'll be taking screenshots of this entire thread for when/if this goes to court. I will requesting the issuance of a summons for all parties involved in any alleged defamation regarding this incident. Just covering my ass in this matter.

Good luck to all in this thread (except for the OP - I hope you fucking die in a car accident), and I'm sorry for letting my temper flare. I will be using legal means to resolve this instead of arguing back and forth on an internet forum.

E-tauntrum? I asked the OP repeatedly via PM to contact the seller/Amazon. He refused. He is in control of the Amazon account making the order. It is his responsibility to deal with this problem. There is no reason for him to NOT be resolving this aside from that he cannot provide security question information for the account because it's bogus, and/or he is using bogus AGCs.

I can't make it more clear: I have tried to work with him, and I FOUND this thread. He's spamming my PM box EVEN WHILE THIS THREAD GOES ON with taunts and asking me for money. This is bordering on extortion at this point.


I selected the seller by SIMPLY SELECTING THE FIRST RESULT WHEN YOU TYPE ANTMINER S5 INTO AMAZON. I don't know the seller at all.


And that's when I'm done with this thread. My personal information is being posted on the internet with no regard for the facts of this situation. I have nothing more to say here. If anyone genuinely cares (And isn't trying to up their post count), I will send you the entire collection of PMs between the OP and I. Other than that, this issue is over.

I'm glad I didn't lose any money on this scam. I'm thankful for that at least.

No. You're wrong. He ordered the item. Period.


No. Not at all. If YOU fucking send coins ahead of time for an amazon order, WATCH HOW FAST THEY REPORT THE GC/ACCOUNT AS HACKED/STOLEN AND YOU GET FUCKING SCAMMED.

Also, watch how fast Amazon charges YOUR card for the items.

Let me repeat that: IF YOU PAY BITCOINS AHEAD OF TIME FOR AMAZON, YOU ARE ASKING TO BE SCAMMED. IT HAPPENED LAST YEAR AND STILL HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.


No. Just no. I'm not getting into this debate with you. I'm not even in the wrong here, so this is moot.


No. He's accusing me of scamming him. I am accusing him of scamming me. I have proof that I did not receive my item, along with a well-documented pattern of suspicious behavior (Selling Amazon balances for starters). Don't even. He's fucking laundering money through Amazon, and that's that.


I will not give some newbie my money so he can run off with it. If he works this out with the seller and I receive my miner, I will send him the bitcoins with a tip for being an intelligent human being. But see, that won't happen. He's a money launderer and a fraud, and he refuses to even take a single step towards a positive resolution.


Oh HORSESHIT. If I wanted to scam someone, I would have scammed crowetic THE MOMENT HE SENT HIS BITCOINS. If I wanted to scam someone I would have NOT POSTED HERE. If I wanted to scam someone, I would have NOT ACCEPTED ESCROW ON MY WESTERN UNION TRANSACTIONS. Please.

I've never done business with you, Quickseller, but I'll tell you this: You have a reputation for jumping on someone. That's not wrong in itself, but you're picking the wrong person here.

I'll give this another 24 hours to resolve and then I'm done with this thread/situation. In the end, I haven't lost anything but time. That's better than losing over $400 on some Amazon scam.


I don't have an S5. I don't have any bitcoin miners at all. That's the ENTIRE PROBLEM. I HAVE NOTHING BUT A USELESS ITEM THAT I CAN'T EVEN RESELL. I'M BASICALLY HAVING MY REPUTATION RUINED AND I'M NOT EVEN GETTING MONEY OUT OF IT. YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY SUPPORTING MONEY LAUNDERING ON AMAZON.

Remove your fucking Trust right now. I have not scammed anyone. I received a BOGUS ITEM and I WILL NOT pay for a BOGUS ITEM.

Keep running your mouth. I offered to work this out with you. I told you via PM many times to contact Amazon/the Seller. You refused. You refused to try and find out what went wrong. Keep it up. I swear to God, I will find you and sue you for defamation and fraudulent representation. Go on. Make jokes, be sarcastic.


No one believes the order was canceled. I'm just telling you that I received a box of crap (An item I cannot even use) and I don't want it. I don't want it and I'm not paying for it. That's really the end of it.

I trusted the OP to order me something from Amazon. He constantly spammed me asking if the item had arrived even though we had tracking (AND HE EVEN CLAIMED THAT USPS DIDN'T TRACK THE SHIPMENT, THEN SUDDENLY THEY DID). He constantly tried to get me to pay merely a day or hours before the package arrived. The package arrived, I signed for it, I opened it, and discovered that it's all bullshit. I then went downtown to attend to other business (not related), and the OP spammed me asking for payment. I told him I would send pictures of the contents of the package when I got home, and he CONTINUED to spam me asking for payment/proof.

I get home, take pictures, and find that he has already opened this scam accusation against ME when all I did was sign for a package I expected to be an Antminer S5.

I can't stress this enough - I'm not interested in this user or his story. I received nonsense delivered TO MY DOOR, and I'm not paying for it.

I can provide PMs of this user attempting to get me to send funds outside of escrow BEFORE THE PACKAGE IS DELIVERED.


I picked the first result in the list for Antminer S5. That should be Bitmain.

I attempted to work with the OP OVER AND OVER to resolve this as I DID NOT ORDER ANYTHING. He REFUSES to contact Amazon. He REFUSES to contact the seller. He ordered a bogus item from Amazon and REFUSES to even TRY to resolve it.


A: Bitcoins are not currency.

B: I hope that this scammer TRIES to report me to my local precinct. I swear to god almighty I will not only beat the charge, I will immediately file a defamation suit so fucking fast his head will spin. I have done nothing wrong here. I have received a bogus item, and I will not pay for that bogus item. That's where the debate ends. Period. End of discussion.

If I had received my miner, we wouldn't even be talking about this. Again, I've sent goods WHILE BEING PAID AHEAD OF TIME with no trouble whatsoever. This is the one problem I've had, and it isn't on me. The OP either needs to contact Amazon/Bitmain and work this out, or admit that he tried and failed to launder an Amazon's balance. Either way, this isn't on me.


I agree with you about everything except the no reputation part. I have done two deals where I was paid in advance by two reputable (One reputable, one semi-reputable) users. I shipped those items immediately.

I literally just picked whatever Amazon seller was selling S5s. My only problem is that I didn't receive an S5. I got some bogus item. Either way, I'm not paying for it.

There is simply no way he ordered from the proper distributor and I received some bogus nonsense. Unless I'm the ONE IN A MILLION person who the retailer scammed (not likely), then this is all a sham.

I have no problem paying for what I wanted, but this is just stupid.

https://i.imgur.com/or9W0oK.png

I received this LITERALLY HOURS AFTER I POSTED IN THE OPs THREAD THAT I WAS WORKING OUT A DEAL.

The thing is that the seller was supposed to have been reputable. The OP told me that the seller was reputable and gave me their contact info in a PM.

I'm so confused at this point.