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901  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: April 01, 2012, 09:04:50 PM
I still cannot mine with my CPU miners.

Help plz.
I'll take a look at it for you. Can you PM me your ABC username and the logging output of your mining client?
902  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 31, 2012, 04:46:11 PM
Hey MintCondition,
I only mentioned it as it was only your miners* that were affected, everyone else was running at normal levels Smiley We didn't think it was related to our server issues, wasn't quite the timing Smiley
Thanks. Strange thing is that on our end it was only us.ozco.in, all others were running at normal levels Huh. Should the issue return we'll take a closer look at it.
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And as you pay for stales i guess its impacting your bottom line
Quite right Sad
903  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 31, 2012, 03:48:37 PM
Has your miner been idling? I'm asking because we noticed (and fixed) an issue that caused some of the work packets to be potentially incompatible with some mining clients for the last ~3 days. It can only have impacted a very small amount of users because overall hashrate did not change.
Would this have anything to do with the 30% stales you were submitting to Ozcoin the other day?
Hi Graet, welcome in our thread!

The abovementioned issue is not related. It had to do with an upstream pool, but not Ozcoin Smiley Let me elaborate on the Ozcoin incident:
Ozcoin has two servers (au and us). The stales you were noticing were occurring only on one of Ozcoins servers. We took that ozcoin server out of rotation for a day. Now it seems to be functioning OK again, so it's back in. You mentioned some backend problems around that time? We attributed it to that and did not pay further attention to it. Overall our experience with Ozcoin has been excellent.

Now for all the ABC miners that might have become worried by a mention of 30% stales:
ABC miners were in no way impacted by those ozcoin stales. share accounting for ABC miners is completely seperated from what upstream pools like Ozcoin are reporting. If ABCPool determines a share to be valid the user gets credited, even if an upstream pool reports it as invalid.

Why is that? Well, the promise we make to our miners has nothing to do with the performance of third parties. Therefore we think it wouldn't be fair to ABC miners if we shifted problems with third parties to them. Our miners have a 'contract' with us, and we have further 'contracts' with third parties. Seperate.

That's also where ABCPool improves on services like Project #2 or GPUMAX. Their users are experiencing a fluctuating amount of stales, because they apply the upstream result to the user instead of doing their own verification. IMHO, such an approach can never provide miners with a predictable experience.
904  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 31, 2012, 02:19:01 PM
The 4670 is showing 0 Mh/s on the site, and the 5970 and the x6500 between them are only showing 280Mh/s...
Very low stales on my end but the shares just don't seem to be getting counted [...].
A 5970 should definitely be getting more than 280Mh/s even on its own. If you PM me your ABC username I'll investigate your case.

Has your miner been idling? I'm asking because we noticed (and fixed) an issue that caused some of the work packets to be potentially incompatible with some mining clients for the last ~3 days. It can only have impacted a very small amount of users because overall hashrate did not change.
905  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 31, 2012, 11:17:10 AM
ah oki thanks for the response. I glossed over the thread title but I wasn't really sure what a 'Proxy' pool meant as oppose to other non-proxy pools. Does it mean rather than creating your own blocks for the miners to solve you serve work from blocks that other pools are working on instead?
We create our own blocks sometimes, and you'll be working on work that other pools provide. From the ops' point of view, a PPS pool is just an enormous solo mining operation because the ops take over all risks from its miners. And what does a solo miner usually do? Join a pool to reduce variance Smiley We actually join multiple pools.
906  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 31, 2012, 11:10:47 AM

However, you won't find the stats you're asking for on our site!

Could you have found a more convoluted way of saying "we hop a whole lot of other pools, so don't really generate blocks identifiable as our own"?  Tongue
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How they proxy isn't related - it's simply that since it is a proxy (as the thread title tells you) that information is - well - somewhat difficult to show when the shares are proxied to different places (including their own bitcoind as far as I understand)

Being a form of PPS means that counting your shares that they determine to be valid and keeping track of difficulty changes is all they need to do accurately to pay you correctly.

If you need that extra information ... then switch to ... almost any non-proxy bitcoin pool around Smiley

I hope that this does not mean that this pool is the "Mistery miner". Does ABCpool include transactions?
ABCPool is not the so-called Mystery Miner. If there are transactions, ABCPool blocks are likely to contain them. I'd been following the Mystery Miner story in it's early days (now not so much), and the most likely explanation seemed that it's a large botnet that minimizes calculations, load and/or traffic by not including transaction data.
907  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 30, 2012, 05:55:20 PM
where can I find stats for this mining pool? Like for example, current block, history of solved blocks, total shares for solved block, graph of pools total hash rate etc.?

Thanks
Hi Greatwolf, thanks for asking. I'm assuming that with 'current block' you mean 'current round'. Just in case you're not: Information on the current block and loads of other Bitcoin network info can always be found at http://www.blockexplorer.com.

As for ABC-specific stats, everything we publish is available in the Stats section of ABCPool.co. A subset of the sitewide stats is available through our API, and personal stats are available after logging in and again through our API.

However, you won't find the stats you're asking for on our site!

ABCPool is all about predictably high mining rewards. The stats are focussed on helping (potential) miners manage their rigs and optimize their rewards. ABCPool is a PPS pool, meaning our miners always get the same high amount for every share submitted, no matter when (or even if) any blocks are found. Current or historical round information, while interesting, has no impact on earnings. There are also some practical barriers to providing round info, because we offload part of pool risk to third parties to be able to offer you such a competitive rate.

Besides generating steady rewards, the PPS mechanism also makes these rewards completely independent of (the hash rate of) other users. The sitewide hashrate we publish is mostly useful so miners can easily verify whether the pool is running smoothly. I don't know if anyone is graphing it; we'd be happy to reference such a graph.

If you are missing any info/stats that would help you achieve better performance at ABCPool, we are always open to suggestions! Just recently we've added a page continuously reporting the performance of the various mining clients people are using. Use it to your advantage Smiley

Happy Hashing,
MC
908  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 22, 2012, 04:31:58 AM
Server down again !!!

Example only !

Blocked
176.129.113.111   Temporary block. You are requesting too much getworks per submitted share. This can happen if you run a CPU miner or a botnet. The ratio is dynamic to keep average pool effiency at a certain level, so you may try mining again later.

the server hash rate become 0ghz
Sorry guys, turns out there's an unfortunate interplay: When a backend hickup occurs it can mess with the efficiency monitoring. We'll be adjusting the algo's soon so they won't penalize users under such circumstances. For now, accounts with an excellent track have been whitelisted until this is resolved.
909  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: ABCPool.co: Pay-per-Share pool that pays for stales! (newbie support thread) on: March 20, 2012, 05:13:52 PM
Please look my Account (Sergey0210)
I cant login.
I've sent you a PM with a new PW.
910  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 18, 2012, 11:42:19 AM
ISSUE RESOLVED: A server crash caused the pool to be offline for several hours earlier today. The stats section was the last to be brought back to life, and service has now been fully restored. No data was lost, and all submitted shares have been accounted for.

Sorry for the inconvenience!

MC
911  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Which miners identify as Java/1.6.0_?? on: March 17, 2012, 03:33:47 PM
Hi all,

We are currently working on a page that shows the performance of the clients in use at ABCPool.co.
 
To make this as useful as possible for our miners, we would like to ask you to help identify some clients. Please let us know if you know which client(s) may be using the following identifiers :
Java/1.6.0_26
Java/1.6.0_10
Java/1.6.0_29
Java/1.6.0_24

Watch the ABCPool thread for further announcements if you're interested in these kind of stats; like when you're looking for the perfect mining client 
 
Regards,
MC.
912  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 15, 2012, 04:18:06 AM
I just moved my 1.5 here, hope it works out well.
Welcome to ABCPool jme.
913  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 14, 2012, 10:27:11 PM
Is there any chance to get more information added to the json string?

for instance the 24 hour totals would be nice:
24-hour running totals: 99.7% valid (179931), 0.27% stale (487), 0.03% invalid (47).
Great suggestion Jjimm, and I've just implemented it for you. Since the info was already on the stats page it wasn't too difficult.

Enjoy!
Again thxs for the quick response to this.  I should have asked for the lifetime shares, because the running totals change over time, I cannot use it to diff my shares over time.

Could you please add the:
Lifetime Valid: xx shares
Lifetime Stale: xx shares
Lifetime Invalid: xx shares
And.. done! Enjoy! Smiley

...and you know you've just committed yourself to mining at ABCPool for at least the next couple of months, right? Wink
914  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 14, 2012, 04:17:02 PM
NEWS: The new 'Reputation' section on the stats page

Hi all,

We've added a 'Reputation' section to your stats page. It uses live data. Can't connect to the pool? Check the reputation section to see if there are any problems with your account. By the way, as a normal user you shouldn't ever get blocked.

Well-behaving users deserve excellent service from their pool. Therefore ABCPool sometimes blocks low efficiency miners temporarily when they endanger the overall service level. Low efficiency is a sign that someones software/hardware is malfunctioning or he/she is running resource-eating CPU miners or even a botnet.

If you encounter any problems with your account, contact me or Chlorine and we'll try to help you out.

Happy hashing everyone!

MC
915  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 13, 2012, 09:11:31 PM
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If you feel you have been blocked in error, let us know and we will look into it!
You couldn't block personally me at change IP at all? I have all the same blocked the address, it will be already impossible to replace.

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excuse, machine translation

FYI: Blocking rules have been relaxed this afternoon. Nobody was blocked during (at least) the past few hours.

Hi Phants,

I'm sorry but I may not fully understand your question. I think you are saying that all your machines are blocked together because they are at the same IP?

That is possible, because blocking is based on IP addresses, not on device or worker. You can check if you are blocked on the 'Stats' page.

After 30 minutes blocking will stop. If you continue mining with low efficiency you will quickly be blocked for another half hour. To prevent blocking, only mine with GPU or FPGA devices. You can have as many as you want on the same IP.

We sometimes block low efficiency (CPU) miners because they hurt pool performance for other users. Electricity costs for CPU miners are higher than their mining income anyway, and they are mostly used by botnets.
916  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 12, 2012, 07:55:09 AM
Hi I've noticed that my miners are now being blocked, I first updated to the most recent edition of CGMiner as that seemed to fix the problem but now even that's stopped. I was at 600Mhz I know it's not much but am I a victim of the new scheme? It's a bit annoying that my miners just stop and I didn't notice because they're still on and working at another location (only one IP though I'm not a botnet)
Sorry to hear that Callius! I'll investigate the situation and see if we can do anything about it. I've sent you a PM for some more info to get the ball rolling.
Callius' situation was resolved. Turns out he had some problems with his rig; there was no block.
917  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 09, 2012, 09:48:56 PM
Hi I've noticed that my miners are now being blocked, I first updated to the most recent edition of CGMiner as that seemed to fix the problem but now even that's stopped. I was at 600Mhz I know it's not much but am I a victim of the new scheme? It's a bit annoying that my miners just stop and I didn't notice because they're still on and working at another location (only one IP though I'm not a botnet)
Sorry to hear that Callius! I'll investigate the situation and see if we can do anything about it. I've sent you a PM for some more info to get the ball rolling.
918  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Wonder who this solominer is? 88.6.216.9 on: March 08, 2012, 06:52:52 PM
The idea has floated several times to reject blocks that don't contain at least some portion of the transactions that you node is aware of.  Might be time to reconsider it

Of course, it wouldn't be anything as simple as "reject empty blocks" or "reject blocks with less than X transactions".  Those won't work.

It will need to be more like "I see 100 pending transactions that are valid and should be included in the next block.  This block I just got from the network contains less than 25% of them, so I will reject it."  There will probably need to be a threshold too, like "I only see 10 pending transactions, and that isn't enough to enforce a minimum number on this incoming block, so I will accept it, even though it has none".

As a first guess, I would say that a threshold of 10 or 20 and a fraction of 1/4 to 1/2 would work well. 
This kind of rule enables a new kind of transaction spamming attack.

When a block is found, the set of transactions it covers could have been determined up to 120 seconds earlier, because that's the work-expiry period most pools employ. So if an attacker would want to prevent currently outstanding work from being able to find a valid block, he could just inject 3x the current amount of transactions into the network. Nodes will then reject any block found by the 'old' work.

Newly distributed work, on the other hand, will include the spam-transactions. That makes it eligible for a block again, so the attacker needs to repeated his strategy for lasting effectiveness. This causes an exponential growth in spammy transactions. Depending on the goals of the attacker and the transaction costs of the spam-transactions this may or may not be worthwhile.
919  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 07, 2012, 10:29:09 AM
With FPGA the issue is of course that they are new and the designers haven't quite got the idea about how GPU mining works to make sure you minimise lost work Smiley

With the BFL - the current device doesn't reply with any shares until it's finished processing the full nonce range.
In that case the efficiency would usually be close to normal on a normal pool.
However, of course, with anything like P2Pool with short LPs (10 seconds) that's gonna mean a lot of aborted work - probably 33% of getworks will never give a share.
If you issue extra LP's (e.g. for NMC mining) then that will of course lower the BFL efficiency %

With the Icarus - the current device only returns one nonce per request and then stops mining.
This means you need to make sure you queue up enough work so that if you get a few quick shares it doesn't end up being idle.
It is also aborted before it finishes the nonce range to avoid going idle (the current device doesn't say when it finishes if it doesn't find a share)
These typically show around 50% efficiency on cgminer due to the fact that of course on average you process under half of each work request.
Thanks for the info. It's certainly different from how most GPU miners operate, and less efficient too.

I guess they'll improve some of this stuff eventually, especially the 'waiting to submit' part. Every 6 seconds you wait to submit a share that's also a block there's an additional 1% chance someone else has beat you to it. This reduces the effective hash rate.
920  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [410GH] ABCPool PPS - Proxy Pool For High & Steady Mining Rewards on: March 07, 2012, 12:26:23 AM
Since the DDoS attack in January, users below a certain efficiency threshold may be subject to an automatic temporary block. That way they can not cause trouble for well-behaving users. The efficiency threshold is dynamic, based on current conditions.
Can you give a very rough estimate of the %?
I presume it would be like 10% or even lower?

It's easy to fall under 50% with certain common conditions, but 10% is unlikely.
(I average 60% due to FPGA + 6950 - but with only FPGA it would be even lower)

Mainly I say this coz if I ever get a block I'll remove ABC from my pool list.
There's already enough issues with having a low hash rate (only 1.4GH/s) ... without possibly being blocked due to it.
The efficiency threshold is currently lower than 10%. There are currently two accounts that are causing problems: They are generating 50% of the load on the pool while only contributing 1% of the hashrate. These are the accounts that are currently affected.

I'm curious about the efficiency FPGA's get. You suggested it may be quite low, why do you think that is?

We fully intend to support FPGA miners. Any insight into their behavior is appreciated so we may adjust policies to let them through Smiley
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