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Trolling is a fact of life on these forums. But starting witch hunts reflects poorly on all of us.
Effective trolling will raise an issue that people are genuinely concerned about, in such a way as to provoke a defensive emotional response. If I feel someone is subtly trolling in this way, I find the most effective response is to offer a polite, reasoned argument that addresses the raised concerns. This approach is beneficial to any onlooker who shares those concerns, it avoids playing into the hands of the suspected troll. It also avoids needless accusations, which is especially important if my suspicions are wrong and the person is just raising a genuine concern.
Great post this. The issue is that people often overcorrect for trolls. If one were secure, the opposite of trolling would be the truth. But instead, we have a bunch of people cheerlead with blind faith. I've a long time supporter of drk. I wrote a webapp for it months ago to support it ( http://darksend.it). I haven't sold, I've held. I will be putting up more than a handful of masternodes. All these "trolls" you guys are witch hunting, they have made good points these past few days, which you guys ignore because you're so defensive. 1. x11 isn't anything innovative. It was LUCKY to be INEFFICIENT (this is a good thing) so that it has ended up lowering power costs for everyone. However, there was no innovation in creating or choosing the 11 algorithms. Evan didn't write a single one of them. He took them all and chained them. That's not really "innovation" when someone chained a bunch of them before. Just in different order|magnitude. 2. DGW is another correction of something that already exists. It's just a rebalance of something that was not fast enough at what it was doing. I can't be sure on this point because I haven't bothered to read the code yet, but I suspect this is true. 3. Darksend feature itself, based on coinjoin, which has been around for a long time. While there has been a lot of work put in to get it to its current state, which we are trusting on faith atm, time will really tell when it's open sourced. NOT when it's audited. Every single company gets their net security audited, some of them under heavy scrutiny a LOT. That means fuckall to the real world, where security breaches happen every day because the real security audit is open source. Bitcoin had been open source since day 1 and that didn't stop it from having problems 6 months? 1.5 years, 3 years down the road by vulnerabilities/limits being discovered/abused. The real value of drk development will be shown by vulnerabilities HAPPENING and the time and manner in which they are fixed. For someone who has the slightest clue on coding and complexity/automata theory, all of this is obvious. The real pump isn't coming from whales but from this community zealously jesus praising everything. |
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So, I said i would post a short summary of some ideas to promote curecoin and spread awareness. The first thing that came to my mind was getting schools involved. Nowadays pretty much every school has a media-area, most high-schools in the country where I live (the Netherlands) got about 30-60 desktops each and the universities got even more. It'd be great if everyone interested in promoting curecoin would visit a few schools in their area to get a meeting. These computers could easily be used for folding when their idle (they're pretty much always toggled on anyway) and at night. By doing this the school could use the certificate wich the stanford website gives for positive promotion for example.(Look at us, we're promoting research in diseases) They'd also get their share of the profits ofcourse which would make their desktops actually have a ROI instead of waiting a few years untill their written off. Obviously you could do the same thing at any company or internet cafe or whatever. It's also really important to educate your friends and family about the coin and the folding process in general, previously when you were trying to get someone into crypto-currencies it'd always be about the money. With curecoin you can aim at their emotional side and thus making the step to curecoin, and crypto-currencies in general, easier. Another important thing to do is to get a curecoin website up and running asap. The website would need some general details about curecoin but most importantly a well-written and full-scaled FAQ. Currently the BCT ANN thread is pretty much full with the same questions over and over again. These questions have all already been answered but most of the time on other website's/forums. These are just a few things that come to my mind when thinking about marketing potential for curecoin, obviously keeping an active social media outlet etc. is also very important. For anybody interested in visiting some schools/companies in their neighbourhood I could write you a short elevator pitch or give some comments on your own pitch. Please note I'm quite busy (working as a crypto-currency consultant since a few months) with other tasks but should their be any bounties or whatever I'm happy to free up some time to help work on a PR/marketing campaign. My two cents  Posted this message as a reply on the marketing/PR topic on the curecoin forums too. Oh and by the way, poloniex has added curecoin! https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_cureThere's a lot of legal ramifications that act as a barrier for this. It's one thing for schools to donate time/energy to this. It's another thing to do this with taxpayer money while trying to get curecoins. I'm all for anyone in government or corporations helping out FAH. It's not acceptable and REEKS of fraud to say you're helping FAH while actually doing it for a cryptocurrency. |
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I will be overtaken shortly. But for now, I am the person with the most points in the team that has highest ppd. |
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A lot of those points are from months ago, he averages around 4m a day which is nice setup none the less. This. Better site to check points is at http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=224497I'm already down to 6th place in average ppd and dropping more. My setup isn't that much but I think will at least be consistent. A lot of my old points were earned while helping beta test the project back in Nov 2013. As for other users that average similarly (300k pts/wu), they're likely running amazon instances. I don't think that's a great idea to do for such small % profit when most of the take ends up going to amazon. But people will do what is profitable. |
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Everyone interested in your actual work unit submission, go to http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/ and search your username. Look at the hourly production tab. Give it a few days before your numbers average out to what they should be. |
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So, in other altcoins you don't think ASIC resistance is a feature?
One of the factors that makes a coin valuable is the number of users/holders, i.e. the distribution. The more people that hold a coin, the more value it has, usually. If more people can be involved in the mining or folding process due to Curecoin being 80% ASIC proof then that makes for a stronger foundation of support for the project.
In altcoins where the possible options are that asics are met with 1. adoption or 2. resistance, it could be considered a feature. In a coin that has NOTHING to do with asics except for the negation of, it's not a feature. It's a non-topic. "Asic resistance" is a buzz word. No one cares about it. I guess not no one. You do. You and everyone else that feels the need to define the negation of something that doesn't exist in the first place, hence (once again) why I said it was redundant. Not wrong. Redundant. Actually, "asic resistant" is wrong and "asic proof" is redundant. |
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They can and will. Mark my words, the dev will dump and kill this coin. I have 4x R9 290s, 1 280x, and 2x 270s churning on this full time and I got 5 coins in 36 hours. This is why premine doesn't work -- it fundamentally fucks the value of the coin so that it's not longer tied to the amount of energy required to create it.
Can we mark your words by observing you leave the folding pool? Logically, if you are sure the dev will dump and kill this coin, then you should exit your 400,000 ppd out of the pool. The other 80,000,000 ppd will continue on. Thanks for your contribution. |
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OK so it's ASIC proof, isn't that even better? The point is that when GPU miners for scrypt coins are out-competed by ASICs, those miners can always do folding for Curecoin, which keeps Curecoin distribution more fair than coins that have more centralized mining, where to have a chance of profit there is a high barrier to entry. Anyone can always fold for Curecoin with their GPU, not everyone can mine for bitcoin or other altcoins. Hence, ASIC proof-ness is a feature of Curecoin.
The folding isn't securing the network like normal mining so a more decentralized folding network is less of a feature than a more decentralized mining network, but it still has benefits of wider coin distribution and ensures a low barrier to entry to take part, allowing everyone to capitalise on their hardware (and contribute to something good).
Definition of feature from Google: "a distinctive attribute or aspect of something."
Curecoin is 80% ASIC proof and this is a feature.
Amazing. Thanks for the definition. Here are some other features of CureCoin we should also advertise: 1. CureCoin generates 100% w3c validated html code on it's web daemon. Nevermind that it doesn't have a web daemon nor does it generate any html code. 2. CureCoin cannot be used to pirate mp3's illegally. 3. CureCoin is AI resistant! We can't be sure it's not AI proof until AI is finally created but since AI doesn't exist yet, we can say it's AI resistant. 4. (This one will surely attract the younger crowd to invest!!!) CureCoin is systematically coded so that it can never turn into a monster and hide in your closet. GG |
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ASIC resistance is a feature. How much that matters now is debatable, probably not much at all. But the proof-of-work for Curecoin is (mostly) folding and folding has no ASICS being developed for it yet as it's one of a kind, making Curecoin ASIC resistant (apart from the 20% that goes to the SHA256 miners).
And as bardacuda pointed out, if ASICS were developed for folding, that would be great for the advancement of science anyway.
If you'd like to calmly explain how this is not true please explain, otherwise I ask you to refrain from insulting me.
Because folding is the realm of REAL SCIENCE, not herp derp I can mint internet moneys by calculating 1000000000000 sha hashes per second. The projects on FAH are coded specifically for different research projects running code specifically written by the person doing the project. There are tons of projects running on FAH so there could never been a FPGA, much less an ASIC made that could do fuckall to help. These projects also end and are replaced by a long list of newer projects, researching newer proteins, smashing them using newer methods, calculated by using brand new code written by a different researcher. This is bioinformatics. If there was something as simple as needing such a generic algorithm to cure cancer, it would have been done already. Get out in the world and learn some real shit and this would have simply been obvious. 80% is folding, plain and simple. Not asic resistant algorithm. It's FOLDING. This is why I said it's redundant. Since you probably still don't understand. Folding is not asic resistant, it's asic proof. As is your car. As is your toaster. Maybe even your mom. Go ask your mom if she's asic proof. |
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Interesting, this should be mentioned in the OP imo, as there are entire coins out there (Vert) based entirely on being scrypt-ASIC resistant, and here we have a coin where scrypt-ASIC resistance (or should I say immunity) is just one of it's amazing features.
Sorry, but this doesn't need to be mentioned in the OP. Sorry, but only a retard would think scrypt asics would be useful for folding. LOL. Telling people scrypt asic resistance is a feature of this coin is like a car salesman telling people their new SUV is asic resistant. It's useless redundant information and just makes the speaker as dumb as the person who would need to ask such a dumbass question. |
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the amount of coins paid out needs to be upped. I mean for 5 rigs each approx 300ppd you are getting perhaps 15 coins a day? how can 1 btc donation get you 700 days mining ? crazy.
I suggest amount of cure coins x 10 now and up the coins per day paid out.
Do you mean 300,000 ppd? Come put your numbers where your mouth is... What's your username? I'll show you mine... Mine's right here: http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=650016I did 3.1m ppd on 5/12 and here is my credit: TX # Date TX Type Block # Amount 18977 2014-05-12 23:00:03 Credit_M 241 555.70346199 If you got 1.5m ppd based on 5 rigs doing 300k ppd, then you should have gotten 275 coins a day on 5/12. Based on my numbers, 1btc got me 18 days mining with my 3m ppd. My 3m ppd would equal 30 280x, which can mine way more than 1btc in 18 days. So for me, that 1btc (especially worth 3x) wasn't worth it but I chose to do it because I support the project. As for whining about the donators, it was an open donation call. Why didn't you donate? I've seen you in all other coin forums harassing the shit out of altcoins, I don't think you're the person who would have trusted this project with a bitcoin going at $1250 USD back in Nov 2013. I could be wrong, but somehow I doubt that. Without the donations, the project wouldn't have gotten off the ground. I'm one of the donators. You can find the original post right here on these forums and look at the other donators if you wish. Nothing was hidden. |
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Without skyrocketing to anonymint levels of paranoia, it's nevertheless trivializing to read so many posts a day people talking about the NSA without having a clue about the what they can and cannot do from a technical perspective.
Here's a fact, darksend without i2p, tor or ring singatures will be trivial to break by the nsa. For those of you who even follow the news, you will know that the NSA has long had direct access inside amazon, google. They have direct access via prism, which I first read about 7 years in 2007 when working within net security. I currently work in a firm where at least one of my colleagues worked as a contractor and have confirmed its existence. And that it's old news because the nsa has moved on to much bigger things.
The nsa needs fuckall to do with buying darkcoins. That's such a fucking joke.
They have all traffic forwarded to them willingly. They have all metadata forwarded to them willingly. Even if this were not the case, they have complete and utter authorization to track any traffic that originates from US non-citizens, which they can qualify from any non-US ip. They can then fisa the entire darkcoin masternode network and track every single connection with ease.
So talk about darksend, talk about privacy.. but don't open your mouth to talk about "herp derp my coins are safe from nsa eyes" when you have no clue what you're talking about.
ps. For those of you who don't know but want to know more, all this and more are available for your reading pleasure.. Some of the easy to find stuff is available on wikipedia: prism, google "nsa direct access" "nsa at&t traffic" and a bunch of other permutations about "nsa traffic access security" etc... You might consider reading all the stuff snowden has leaked but most of this stuff is pretty shallow to the real stuff you can find if you keep at it.
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Later on, A sends out 500 coins, which the client sends 492 coins from wallet A and 8 coins from wallet C.
Someone now sees that wallet A and C belong to the same person.
Gotcha. But this could be solved by simply moving (via darksend) anything in the change address back into the "main" address before sending? You can't at the moment because C only has 8 darkcoins right? Darksend requires input of 10. So 8 comes from C, and the remaining 2 come from...? A, or another wallet A owns which sooner or later ties to A. |
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I like that you guys used the term plausible deniability which I was the first to bring into this conversation, so it appears you read SOME part of the my statement, but apparently, you don't have the basic math comprehension to understand it. I think the thelonecrouton understands what you guys are saying, but what he means is that since the conclusion comes from adding the values that is a very good indication of who sent the money but the user still has plausible deniability, so the person that obtained the information couldnt enforce anything like in a court of law or something. At least thats how I am reading it, basically the numbers may add but that officially doesnt prove anything.
Yes, thank you. Then you're reading it wrong. Try again. Given the example I used, there is 100% proof A sent to E. |
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Lets break this down to improve clarity:
A wants to send 2 coins to E
B wants to send 3 coins to F
A sends the masternode 10 coins, and address C (C is the change address)
B sends the masternode 10 coins, and address D (D is the change address)
The masternode will mix the coins and output:
2 coins to E
8 coins to C
3 coins to F
7 coins to D
It will be impossible to tell whether A sent coins to E&C or F&D. It is possible however to say that whoever holds address C sent 2 coins to E. Now if user A wants to buy something on amazon with DRK, and uses the coins at address C, amazon (or anyone who has compromised amazon's servers) can determine with 100% certainty that user A sent 2 coins to E in the earlier darksend transaction. If the coins are darksent to amazon then there wouldn't be a problem I guess. Really the coins at address C should be automatically washed after the transaction to maintain anonymity in case the user non-darksends them later on.
Still not seeing any provable link between amount of change received by C and initial transaction between A and E. At least not without full access to the wallet that holds A and C, at which point all else is moot. Must be going blonde... 2+8=10 This proves that whoever holds coins at C darksent 2 coins to E. No, 2+8=10 proves 2+8=10. Doesn't prove anything else at all. You guys are giving him too much information and confusazing him... try it like this.. From the blockchain, you see this A put in 10 drk B put in 10 drk C took out 8 drk D took out 7 drk E took out 2 drk F took out 3 drk At this point, you know that A and B both sent either 2, 3, 7 or 8 to C, D, E, or F. There's not enough information. Later on, A sends out 500 coins, which the client sends 492 coins from wallet A and 8 coins from wallet C. Someone now sees that wallet A and C belong to the same person. So going back the original transaction, they can see A put in 10, but received 8 back, then that means A sent 2 coins to B. Futher, this reveals B send either 3 dark to F or 7 drk to D. Presuming nothing is changed, it's easy to write up an algorithm that can go through and reveal all transactions given enough transactions. However, there are ways to stop this. 1. The more transactions that are the same, the better. So if it was limited to integers, then that'd be easy. If in the original equation, X also send 2 to Y. Then tying C to A would still not tie A to E just yet. There would be one more level of obfuscation. On the other hand, sending in very precise units (3.14159265359) would be bad for trivial reasons. 2. Masternodes could broadcast a certain of transactions along with other fake transactions. Then anonhelper nodes could then send themselves transactions of the same amount to help obfuscate the real transactions and add more fake transactions. Basically, more precise transactions and less transactions means it will be easier to reveal. Less precise transactions and same payment transactions bundled together mean plausible deniability is maintained. |
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Has anyone done the math on how many DRK a master node will actually earn? Let's say per month.
At 5$ a Darkcoin its 130$ a month Really? 10 master nodes would earn $15600pa passive income at $5? And I think $5 is a very conservative price for DRK. Here is the math: 1x Masternode = 576 blocks * 10% of the reward = 1036DRK/day 8x Masternodes = (576/8) blocks * 10% of the reward = 129DRK/day 16x Masternodes = (576/32) blocks * 10% of the reward = 32DRK/day 128x Masternodes = (576/128) blocks * 10% of the reward = 8.1DRK/day This comes from Evans post on Masternodes payments. https://darkcointalk.org/threads/darkcoin-update-masternode-requirements-masternode-payments.225/And here you can see the current masternodes http://drk.poolhash.org/darksend.htmlThe one for 16 is wrong... if 1 master = 1036 then 8 = 1036/8 = 129.5 but 16 = 1036/16 = 64.75 |
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Is mining X11 as much ram intensive as scrypt N ?
If you can mine anything else, you can mine DRK, and at half the power consumption. If what you are asking is can the X11 algo (or chain of algos) be tweaked to exclude ASICs like scrypt-n, then the answer is yes. ANY software can be modified a million times faster than ASIC hardware can be designed and implemented. Litecoin could hard-fork and become ASIC resistant tomorrow, but they are too clueless to do so. There will be no ASICs produced for X11. Get on board now, scrypt is dead, and X11 uses half the power of scrypt-n. I think I just persuaded myself to sell my VTC stash...  Let's not spread FUD.. The barriers to litecoin hardforking are the exact same as the barriers to darkcoin hardforking to be becoming asic resistant. And litecoin dev team is FAR FAR away from clueless. I own 0 ltc, and tons of drk, but even I know the ltc development team is far ahead of drk's solo dev. There will be asics produced for X11. It's just a matter of time and Evan himself has already said that he doesn't see that as a bad thing and welcomes it. I have no problem with the statement that scrypt is dead. It's surely dying, and rightfully so. |
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I apologize for the phrase above. The way I wrote makes it pretty excessive.
I did not meant that everyone here was stupid. When it comes to marketing strategies, the average man tends to have no idea about how much he is being a patsy. Otherwise there won't be so much people like zombies at the supermarket.
Many of you may know this already. Again apologies for my lack of diplomacy.
There's plenty of lack of diplomacy to go around and then some. Don't apologize. There will be no offense taken. We need more real talk in here. |
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He has some knowledge of the industry and is trying to help. There's no need for such negativity.  I'm not being negative. Read my posts, and followup posts. The "industry" can't help us at our current stage. Read my latest post. |
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