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real world? show me a real world corporation that is 100% marketing with no product? that's called snakeoil and vaporware
Well this may be a bit excessive. If you guys are feeling pissed because I mentionned Apple. Then I'm sorry. Look at Dogecoin. Litecoin clone. Nothing amazingly technical. But successful marketing and position. Dogecoin success sits on a ridiculous dog face. This is the power of images and visual communication ! Having the BEST product won't necessarily makes you the winner. In that sense marketing is critical. Yes. I'm not saying it is bad, or good. Just the truth (seems) I don't care about the apple thing so feel free to drop it. I agree dogecoin does have some pretty good marketing, but behind the marketing, they have community. Which we don't have. They successfully created a trend where people use it to actively tip others to inflate transactions, which is what drove up adoption. Darkcoin does not have that. Our community consists of 750 pages of people arguing over the color of a logo. I'm not suggesting we parallelize our marketing strategy with dogecoin (jeez, please no). I'm saying we're at the step before the marketing phase. We need to build community. We need more people to get off this post and use darkcointalk.org, where we have real forums that people can branch out and talk about other things that build community around darkcoin. We need more people to build more sites that accept darkcoins for whatever purposes. Right now, newcomers will read about darksend then see that it's not ready. The only people who are going to go for this are speculators. What do speculators do? They pump and dump, or even worse, they fall into pump and dump traps, and lose their money. We need to attract people who see darkcoin as a currency. What makes darkcoin viable as a currency? Darksend. There it is. |
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i like how you're trying to school on me how the world works and yet you use the most cherry picked hype company that exists...
yeah apple spends more on marketing than r&d..
did they do that before the ipod came out?
did you see 750 pages on apple forums talking about the logo for their ipod before it came out?
did you see 750 pages arguing over what color the ipod should be before it came out?
guess what, you're employee #999 in the room.. pitching the same thing the other 997 salesguys already did.. and tying up the resources of the single developer in the company
real world? show me a real world corporation that is 100% marketing with no product? that's called snakeoil and vaporware
ps... this probably came across more antagonizing than it needed to be... your webpage looks nice.. i just think there's a much greater need for the community to build services around darkcoin and for evan to finish darksend before going off on wild tangents than for more marketing.. we've had 750 pages of marketing already.. it's time to give it a rest until we have more substance |
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i like how you're trying to school on me how the world works and yet you use the most cherry picked hype company that exists...
yeah apple spends more on marketing than r&d..
did they do that before the ipod came out?
did you see 750 pages on apple forums talking about the logo for their ipod before it came out?
did you see 750 pages arguing over what color the ipod should be before it came out?
guess what, you're employee #999 in the room.. pitching the same thing the other 997 salesguys already did.. and tying up the resources of the single developer in the company
real world? show me a real world corporation that is 100% marketing with no product? that's called snakeoil and vaporware
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if one were to try and summarize this coin after reading all 757 pages of this post, it would be obvious that a name change is needed and what that name change should be
marketing101coin
or
700pagesofarguingoveralogocoin
try to accept that most people who are looking/willing to invest in it already know about it.. don't drag the solo dev into more of these games of deciding how professional a webpage needs to look.. you know what will surely get 1000x more hits than a shiny logo or a webpage, if he finishes darksend.. as opposed to using his time coming up with hairbrained schemes like an airdrop or opting % of the coin into a lawyer fund (wtf)..
before one needs marketing, one needs something to market.. and if that something is as great as darkcoin could be, one wouldn't even need marketing.. fuck
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I've been here long enough to read all the history. It was a mistake, etc. We can get past it, etc. And I believe those things, as well as in drk. But just admitting it is not the be all and end all of the situation. It's just something that everyone will have to judge when weighing the risk vs rewards. But just because YOU (not you specifically, just generally talking about those of us who have been here a while) have thought about and dismissed the problem does not make everyone else who still brings it up a troll.
Actually the particular individual ("peteycamey") who started the latest discussion comes in here like clockwork every week or so and says exactly the same thing (in the same juvenile manner). He's already seen these thought-out response from AlexGR and others. But he never responds, disappears, repeat. Yes, that right there is a troll. Dictionary definition of one. I agree. However, I think it's a fair point that he brings it up in a discussion that someone else started by saying that it's a conspiracy that the price is being held done. In that case, it wasn't him starting it. He was just giving an answer to other people who didn't know about the instamine and "schooling" them. He's annoying, and a broken clock. But he's right twice a day. He's the other half to the cheerleaders who drone on and on like drk is the second coming of jesus. I dislike both, but personally, I'd rather hear him repeat uncomfortable truths than listen to idiots marketeers say "11 super fast secure algorithms!!!omg" or "logo!logo!logo! omg we need press releases". |
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Guys, when almost half of the entire 1st years worth of mining is created by a couple of people in the first 24 hours and you don't fix it by relaunching or airdropping to others, THIS PRICE ACTION IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WILL GET. All those who whined that airdropping would hurt the price of the coin..... well wake up. The 10% instamining is hurting the price of the coin! It's not rocket science people. Supply and demand. And when a few guys have 1000X the amount of Darkcoin that everyone else has, it will make it very hard for that coin to move higher and stay higher even with increased adoption. Simple Econ 101.
You are not factoring in the distribution that has already taken place and is continuing to take place. Some people complain of dumping by early instaminers, others complain about 50% held by "instaminers" - like that percentage has remained static since day 1. But both accusations can't be true at the same time. An additional source of irrationality is the price complain: If instaminers dump cheaply => then others can benefit by the coin distribution on the cheap. After all prices are lower than DRK mining costs (opportunity cost vs other coins). Yet the same argument is again used to say that the future price is doomed. How can all these be simultaneously true at the same time? As I see it: If instaminers are dumping, their percentage goes down and the overall distribution is improved. If instaminers are holding, coin distribution remains as it is right now and price goes up due to very low inflation compared to other coins If instaminers are suppressing the price below its fundamentals then its bad for the short-term price, good for long term price and good for fair distribution. If instaminers are not suppressing the price then the price has great prospect for meteoric rise as demand escalates but also a questionmark for price suppression in the future if the bagholders sell. We can't have "the coin is unfair", "instaminers have 50%", "instaminers are suppressing the price", "the price will always be low due to instaminers selling", "the coin will always be unfair because instaminers will (always) hold 10% of the coin" simultaneously. As you say, econ 101. Decent post AlexGR. Good points made against people who are whining (legitimately) about all factors while refusing to see that the situation is a moving function and not a static one. However, another point is that money is proportional. Unless there is an ultimate authority that binds some scarce resource to some amount of drk, it will always be. The truth of the situation is that a lot of people who got coins the first day have likely sold, or dumped. Let's be honest and just say that they didn't give shit away, because no one did (with the exception of chaositec). But not all the big holders dumped. And the sheer magnitude of the "1st day" mistake is huge. I've been mining drk at about 50 MH/s for 2 months now for about 3k coins. If someone were to buy into the coin, what would be a good number? I'm going to suggest 1k coins, because they're interested in the possibility of a master node. What would we need to get someone to come "buy in" to dark? About 1.5k btc at current prices. This is NOT an easy thing. This is a relatively substantial amount of drk and someone would need to believe quite a decent amount to put in this much. How many of these people could we possibly average per day? Based on everything you see here, how many buy-ins would be a "good amount" to expect or hope for? Let's say 1. And I think that's being generous. It would be huge to have 1 person a day buy 1.5btc worth of drk. I mean really buy in, not holders day trade, etc. Someone who owns 0 drk, to come in and buy 1000 drk. This is the equivalent of someone mining drk at 1GH/s per day. And yet, even if we had this amount of buy-ins, there is|was enough instamine from the FIRST DAY to dump the same amount, for 2000 days or about 6 years. Look at the blockchain. Look at the first N blocks from the first day. It's just 500 every other second.. 500, 500. In the 10 minutes it took me to write this post, there were more 50x more dark generated than I could mine with 50MH/s in two months. I've been here long enough to read all the history. It was a mistake, etc. We can get past it, etc. And I believe those things, as well as in drk. But just admitting it is not the be all and end all of the situation. It's just something that everyone will have to judge when weighing the risk vs rewards. But just because YOU (not you specifically, just generally talking about those of us who have been here a while) have thought about and dismissed the problem does not make everyone else who still brings it up a troll. Also, one last point, about the "top riches list". There's no evidence that list is close to what the true distribution is. Before there was GPU mining and pools, everyone used the miner from the wallet and so each system they ran it from likely had different wallet addresses. Any number of those large wallets from the first day could (and likely do) belong to a small group of people. |
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http://darksend.it now has qr code support for the webpage as well as the terminal at 1000 users, i will give out subdomains as well currently generating an address on tor for those too paranoid about their ip, so that will get posted soon examples: http://darksend.it/dimeor in terminal: curl darksend.it/dime register your name at http://darksend.it/
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710 pages in and people are still talking about a goddamn logo.. holy fucking shit..
i don't care about the logo, i don't suspect anyone really care besides cheerleaders..
but i do care about bullshit.. the less bullshit you write, the better. I'm talking about "11 high performance hashing solutions chained together" which is about the biggest crock of shit i've ever heard..
these are not solutions.. they are not "high performance".. the term "high performance" means fuckall in cryptocurrencies because it's all relative..
salesguys salesguysing..
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darksend.it now includes support for QR codes in the terminal. I'm too busy (or lazy) to implement this into the webpage, so for now, it's something the command line people get first.  |
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It's a bad day for security. OpenSSL has been compromised for most distros. Enterprise distros (RH <6.5) are not affected. People missed (or dismissed) my warning before should re-read it. Here is a small addendum. If you use a VPS, here are your layers of protection: 1. Your own security -Did you secure ports via iptables against outsiders? -Were you running any SSL services? Then those may have been compromised. SSH was not affected but is exploitable if other SSL vulnerable services were running. 2. The security of your VM host which you have NO control over. -The security of other VMs running on the same VM host as you. What were they running? Did they run SSL vulnerable services via LAMP? If they got rooted, then was your VM host rooted via host escalation? If so, then you got rooted as well. 3. The security of your VPS provider which you have NO control over. -What about web services? Was your account compromised? Was your user info compromised? If so, you should check if anyone has logged into your account or tried to masquerade as you. This openssl vulnerability hits web based services pretty bad. Every key/password is to be considered compromised at the moment. This hits especially bad against newbies because they will generally use insecure distros such as debian, ubuntu, mint.You could run a micro on EC2 for $14/mo to do it.
Important: Please take time to read this!I see a lot of excitement from people looking to run masternodes, but ensure you know what you are doing. Among them, is NOT putting a masternode on ANY VPS provider. Here is a checklist of things that could go wrong. Remember it's your 1000 drk sitting in a hotwallet. 1. Remember you did not do the install, you launched an image that was prepared. This is analogous to putting your key into someone else's computer. There is no way of knowing the image is not rootkitted because you are INSIDE the image. 2. VMs are still rather new and there are plenty of host privilege escalation exploits. This means security of your vm is not 100% yours. You are multiplying your risk by the number of other VMs on your VM host, and the network it is connected to. 3. VPS storage is rather primitive and NOT designed for security. Your root storage is NOT encrypted at all. Encrypting a container inside your vm will not do any good because it must be decrypted for your process to run it. Then the VM host has access to it. 4. (offtopic) If you don't have the resources to set up your own machine and are just looking to use a VPS, you may not have general knowledge of hardening your image against vulnerabilities. A few topics to be knowledgeable about include selinux, PaX, iptables, auditd if you run anything else what so ever on the VM. 5. Trusting your provider: those of you who have been in this game long enough will remember countless heists, but the one that rings out in my memory is the one where someone lost a wallet of 25k btc when btc was at $20 USD. He cried over $500k of btc, what was he thinking when 25k btc meant the loss of $30million+? I haven't looked it back up, but as I recall, he NEVER found out how he lost it, and that was the worst part. The only suspicion was that he uploaded a backup of his wallet onto dropbox. Who took it? A dropbox employee? Was dropbox compromised? As far as I know, no one ever found out. No amount of security audits can help find the culprit when the number of doors and windows are an unknown variable. If you're into darkcoin because privacy is your thing but you don't think twice about online security, I have a VM to sell you. ps. sign up for your free darksend.it/username at http://darksend.it |
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You could run a micro on EC2 for $14/mo to do it.
Important: Please take time to read this!I see a lot of excitement from people looking to run masternodes, but ensure you know what you are doing. Among them, is NOT putting a masternode on ANY VPS provider. Here is a checklist of things that could go wrong. Remember it's your 1000 drk sitting in a hotwallet. 1. Remember you did not do the install, you launched an image that was prepared. This is analogous to putting your key into someone else's computer. There is no way of knowing the image is not rootkitted because you are INSIDE the image. 2. VMs are still rather new and there are plenty of host privilege escalation exploits. This means security of your vm is not 100% yours. You are multiplying your risk by the number of other VMs on your VM host, and the network it is connected to. 3. VPS storage is rather primitive and NOT designed for security. Your root storage is NOT encrypted at all. Encrypting a container inside your vm will not do any good because it must be decrypted for your process to run it. Then the VM host has access to it. 4. (offtopic) If you don't have the resources to set up your own machine and are just looking to use a VPS, you may not have general knowledge of hardening your image against vulnerabilities. A few topics to be knowledgeable about include selinux, PaX, iptables, auditd if you run anything else what so ever on the VM. 5. Trusting your provider: those of you who have been in this game long enough will remember countless heists, but the one that rings out in my memory is the one where someone lost a wallet of 25k btc when btc was at $20 USD. He cried over $500k of btc, what was he thinking when 25k btc meant the loss of $30million+? I haven't looked it back up, but as I recall, he NEVER found out how he lost it, and that was the worst part. The only suspicion was that he uploaded a backup of his wallet onto dropbox. Who took it? A dropbox employee? Was dropbox compromised? As far as I know, no one ever found out. No amount of security audits can help find the culprit when the number of doors and windows are an unknown variable. If you're into darkcoin because privacy is your thing but you don't think twice about online security, I have a VM to sell you. ps. sign up for your free darksend.it/username at http://darksend.it |
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I saw this on Twitter and was wondering if anyone could help me understand?
"For everybody holding #Darkcoin - Google 'Sybil Attack'"
I don't have the technical background to understand a Sybil Attack. Could someone explain this to me and if it negatively impacts DarkCoin's future at all? Might end up being nothing but I would like to know.
Basically a Sybil Attack is an attack on peer-to-Peer network in which the attacker uses multiple nodes to establish that they are "trustworthy" and then proceeds to use that node "trust" to influence the network in some way. The type of influence depends on what type of network it is that is being attacked - it might be just disruption, injection of bad data , or capturing other user and/or node information. The name Sybil refers to the girl with multiple personalities. I'm not sure how this would affect the Darkcoin network, except that a 51% attack is somewhat the same principle. More likely, it's about whether or not a Sybil attack can be used to take control of darksend transactions. Last time someone asked Evan about the master node controlling the darksend transaction, he answered that a slave node would also sign the darksend transaction. But the two are just varying degrees of the same attack, so that was not a true answer to the question. |
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"if litecoin is the silver to bitcoin's gold, then darkcoins are the uncut diamonds of the cryptos" ps. get your darksend.it username registered free @ http://darksend.it |
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Registration at http://darksend.it is now free.. Repasta of original post: Greetings all I've launched the domain http://darksend.it. I intend to share the domain with everyone, so read on. This page is looking to be a shorturl of sorts for darkcoin addresses. It has support for command line browsers, stripping html for wget|curl. examples: http://darksend.it/dimehttp://darksend.it/yournameherefrom the command line: $ curl darksend.it/dime XcWPrhrtpJtBowmT3FfebLWDUZQPUZ73tz I intend to give the domain to the community in the following ways: 1. (this one's just self promotion) The web server is hand written and as I think of more things that can help build the community, I will use my time to build them. 2. Once there are over 1000 users, I will throw the dns over to afraid.org, which has a long history giving free dynamic domain hosting services. This means you'll be able to point you.darksend.it to your webserver, or your computer, etc. 3. Anyone who donated (undetermined) drk during their registration will be given an account on an IRC bouncer running on the root domain itself. So you can irc as you@darksend.it. 3 can backfire so it's not a guarantee, just a best effort type scenario. Allowing people to irc with your domain is asking for a ddos and coming back for more. But if it works out, this would be awesome. |
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darksend.it now strips html for command line browsers..
$ curl darksend.it/dime
XcWPrhrtpJtBowmT3FfebLWDUZQPUZ73tz
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I keep reading people saying that the people who mined in the first 24 hours of this coin mined 2 million coins, so I just couldn't believe that could be true. The highest block reward was 500 coins, I remember the difficulty going up pretty quickly, but even if it didn't, and the block reward stayed at 500 coins, the most that could have been mined is 288,000 coins.
I just want to set the record straight. People really exaggerate - a lot!
Given such a definitive statement that "the most that could have been mined is 288,000 coins", can you describe how you came to such a number? |
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Greetings all I'm looking to build a small community with a very basic function. To this end, I've registered the domain http://darksend.it. I intend to share the domain with everyone, so read on. The function is to be a shorturl of sorts for darkcoin addresses. Registration costs .1 drk, and if darkcoin ever reaches USD $10, $100, the price will change to .01, and .001. The target is a dime. example: http://darksend.it/dime http://darksend.it/newuserI intend to give the domain "back" to the community in the following ways: 1. (this one's just self promotion) The web server is hand written and as I think of more things for the community, I will use my time to build them. 2. Once there are over 1000 users, I will throw the dns over to afraid.org, which has a long history giving free dynamic domain hosting services. This means you'll be able to point you.darksend.it to your webserver, or your computer, etc. 3. Anyone who contributed over 10 (this may lower) drk during their registration will be given an account on an IRC bouncer running on the root domain itself. So you can irc as you@darksend.it. This isn't automated yet but I'll likely work on it soon. #3 can backfire so it's not a guarantee, just a best effort type scenario. Allowing people to irc with your domain is asking for a ddos and coming back for more. But if it works out, this would be awesome. If you have any ideas for what the site can become, feel free to hit me up (drkdime) in the official darkcoin irc channel on freenode, but keep in mind I prefer text to the over marketization the internet has become. I'm looking to build minimalist but useful services, not be another fanboy cheerleader site. |
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I think git has prob... sv3:/usr/local/src # git clone https://github.com/evan82/darkcoin.git darkcoine2
Cloning into 'darkcoine2'...
remote: Counting objects: 32850, done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (8782/8782), done.
remote: Total 32850 (delta 23975), reused 32711 (delta 23843)
Receiving objects: 100% (32850/32850), 31.24 MiB | 5.82 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (23975/23975), done.
sv3:/usr/local/src # cd darkcoine2/
sv3:/usr/local/src/darkcoine2 # git describe --always --dirty
v0.8.9.2-1-g07c9905
sv3:/usr/local/src/darkcoine2 # tail -5 .git/packed-refs
^a553548c029b525a73f8cb4876bd137ff3f0b93c
94c41f7594aca2a6afa54c7f7d10fc49900eaada refs/tags/v0.8.9.2
^bd593e75f84d435319b5781adfe1ac4d94ba7a2d
247ba2708795aca153a0e62ca6ffdb005cbda0e7 refs/tags/v0.9.0.0
^50189ca2a010728bc559a4f46568267bf13b7ff7
it's just not pulled into master branch yet.. in the meantime, try 2014/03/15 10:08:00 root@b:~/darkcoin> git tag -l ... 2014/03/15 10:08:02 root@b:~/darkcoin> git checkout tags/v0.9.0.0 Note: checking out 'tags/v0.9.0.0'. You are in 'detached HEAD' state. You can look around, make experimental changes and commit them, and you can discard any commits you make in this state without impacting any branches by performing another checkout. If you want to create a new branch to retain commits you create, you may do so (now or later) by using -b with the checkout command again. Example: git checkout -b new_branch_name HEAD is now at 50189ca... Added DarkGravityWave! Hard fork at 34700. 2014/03/15 10:08:21 root@b:~/darkcoin> git describe --always --dirty v0.9.0.0 |
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