I still dont like the coin.

First more of these indians are suffering from poverty.

its kinda unlikely they will have computers.

It also isnt like they really have an economy.

they are americans.

they go to the store and spend dollar bills like the rest of us.

this isnt iceland or even anything close.

and how is this magically going to solve theri poverty?

what us traders run up the price of the coin?


and from an article on it


what?

so getting dollars to the exchanges and then changing them to mazacoins and using the smart phone these poor people dont have to shop at a store that already takes dollars is easier than what?


yeah sorry, this coin just has a weak premise

I will trade it if there is money to be had.

but come the fuck on, they havent really spelled out how this coin is going to magically accomplish anything.

just having your own currency doesnt do anything to poverty.

ask zimbaqwai.


and thinking a digital currency will help a group that is unlikely to actually own a computer is funny.

Why cant we trust them?

They are innocent tribals who were killed in millions of numbers by jews 200 years ago.

The land of 'Murica, does not belong to jews, they invaded it and killed all of those poor, innocent, "free-from-the-market" souls.

If native Indians want their own currency, yes they will face resistance because that will drop US $.

Remember what they did to Gaddafi when he wanted to use Gold instead of US $ as a currency for exporting oils from Libya?

Mazacoin is more than just another crypto coin... its a revolution against the tyrant.

wow, I was starting to take manonthemoon halfway seriously, but he's just an ignorant racist who hates Native Americans, jews, God only knows who else he considers to be the wrong color.

Did you assume that I'm white manonthemoon?

If i could find the ignore button I would use it. lol

Just put him on ignore , he is the real scammer driving prices down so he can pump it later.

anyone owning bitcoin should sell because this scammer named Mark Karpeles is suspected to have stolen hundreds of thousands of them.

I just don't want to see you guys get hurt by that scam artist Karpeles. The coins were actually being moved out of the cold storage wallet this morning.


http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zsw1k/while_the_press_is_focused_on_satoshi_180000/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zshct/4ee89f7cf824a85ad5f11d52604ffdebe9f01302bcea8ddec0/

You raise some very valid concerns but let's address a couple very important things. Are there two Rob Gray's or is it the same man? Are you certain he is AnonymousPirate - can you source that proof or is this just an inclination? It's certainly believable/plausible but of course, but especially with this whole not-really-Satoshi newsweek story (!), I would like to see some substantiating evidence that this man is indeed deeply connected to MZC's back end. Secondly, do we have any information on who has control of the premine? This is also critical information, even if Rob Gray is somehow tangentially involved by being part of the bank, it doesn't necessarily mean he has control of the currency - he could just be a partner and perhaps a poor choice for one, but still just a business partner.

Anyway, do you have more info besides what you can find on the first couple pages of google with the man's name? It's not exactly damning evidence, it's all circumstantial with no substantiation on your behalf.


Finally we have the issue of Payu Harris - is he just a puppet in your eyes? Part of the scheme? This man seems genuine, is he being hung out to dry? He'll become a target for certain if this goes south, he's being far too public to be part of a scam, no? How does he fit in, in your view?

Robert Gray the Executive Director of the Mulligan Mint has quite the interesting history when it comes to starting new ventures. Here are a list of companies he created or just made up out of thin air. Free Lakota Bank, American Open Currency Standard (AOCS), SLV Properties (Silver Properties), AG Logistics (Silver Logistics),  TSP Mint (The Survival Podcast Mint), AOCS Mint, Open Currency, Lakota Exchange, AG Trading Post, and my favorite the non-existent International Commodity Banking Association (ICBA).

Many of these companies just revert back to the Mulligan mint but several are not even function companies and are just names or if they are incorporated they are used to funnel money from one scheme to another and eventually into Rob and David Gray’s hands where it is spent on maintaining their lavish lifestyle.

Well, Mr. Gray has been very busy since 2008 when he first arrived on the scene when he contacted Bernard von Nothaus about becoming a National Currency Director for the Liberty Dollar. Mr. von Nothaus informed Rob that he had to first become a Liberty Associate before he could become an NCR. This required a $100 fee which Rob Gray wanted waved which did not happen. So Rob came back two months later with the $100 fee and immediately he wanted to become an Regional Currency Director despite the fact he had put in zero time into being an associate to that point. Rob Gray finally became an ROC but then was suspended for questionable business practices which is the only time an ROC was suspended.

When Robert Gray decided to  form the American Open Currency Standard (AOCS) he used the Liberty Dollar and Mr Von Nithaus’s good name and infringed on the Liberty Dollar Merchant Decal which he reluctantly stopped after being ordered by Liberty Dollar’s attorney. You can read the entire account from Bernard von Nothaus here.

As you can see from yesterday’s post that several key personnel have jumped ship in the past several months. Which is not surprising when you understand that he has had two lawsuits in June brought about against him. The first was filed on July 8, 2013 by Chris Duane which you can read the Original Petition (Complaint) here.

Chris Duane was a business partner of Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint and contends in these court documents that Rob and the Mint have not paid profits for use of marketing and use of coin designs which out permission. Mr. Duane wants to recover damages and to stop the use and sale of all intellectual property.

The agreement between Gray and Duane was that Gray through the Mulligan Mint would manufacture and sell coins designed by Duane. Duane supplied the designs and materials in the amount of 1,500 ounces of silver to the Mulligan mint for this purpose. All sales would result in the splitting of profits from sales of these coins after cost. This how ever did not occur and instead it is alleged that Mr. Gray kept all profits and even went so far as to reissue coins with the designs which are the property of Chris Duane despite being ordered to stop using them.

A second lawsuit involving approximately $1.2 million dollars in silver and cash owed in the amount of $217,000 for silver already purchased but not paid for to the Republic Metals Corporation. I have the court documentation but will not post them here out of respect for the companies wishes not to have this information out in the public. All I will say is that on the 24th of July 2013 an Emergency Oder for Entry and Inspection of all properties was filed and granted and Mulligan Mint, Robert Gray’s home and all other properties and warehouse connected to the Gray’s have been searched and inventories taken of all silver at these various properties.

manonthemoon, question, how is Rob Gray related to Mazacoin?

Guys.....forget about the daily ups and downs driven by greedy asses.....this thing is HUGE.

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[23:47] <@AnonymousPirate> MazaCoin WILL succeed. just tonight we began finalizing the deal with the Free Lakota Bank.
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That is HUGE.

http://www.freelakotabank.com/a-new-standard-of-value/

That's the bank he's talking about, they have  been issuing their own currency since 2008. They will be issuing SILVER mazacoins too.

Listen, I am in this long, I am not here to pump people up for a subsequent dump, the idea of basically tricking others into giving up their bitcoin does not appeal to me at all, it makes me sick actually.

This coin is so different than all the other shitcoins and scamcoins with scammy devs. I know people will get behind it big time. Of course, I am thinking 2 or 3 years down the road, but had I thought that way about BTC in 2009 when I first heard about them and they were $0.30 each I would be racing my new Lambo right now lol

lol, those claims are not even a reputable source...............

this is where I am. The dev is not Rob Gray. All we know is a guy named Rob Gray owns the domain name for freelakotabank.com.

Rob Gray did not write the whitepaper or create the coin so far as we know, is he even smart enough? Doubtful. The dev here has been doing lots of public stuff, whereas AUR's dev used a fake name and an anonymous front company from Panama.

Time will tell.

I seriously doubt that Rob cares one iota about these people. He just hops from one scam to the next as quickly as possible.

Right, I did a whois lookup lol He owns the domain name

I am wondering about the actual bank.

Anyway, I'll look into this more because obviously I don't want to support a scammer, but for now I have coins on the exchange that I have to deal with.

I can't find that guy's name, do you have proof he owns the bank?

http://www.freelakotabank.com/management/

I hope these scam accusations don't tarnish the great reputation Altcoins have.... LOL 

manonthemoon, anyone can just say anything, no source on that quote there so I don't know who said it or if it is true.

do you really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

yes, I do.

This much manipulation, this many ruses.....is this an indication that bigger fish see this thing as undervalued? Hugely undervalued?

The bank is not the developer and not the community. That ONE GUY is not the community.

In 2008 Rob solidified the URL for Free Lakota Bank.  This is even before launching AOCS, Mulligan Mint or any of his other entities.  What made this unique is there was no, and still is no physical location.  It is simply a PO Box, has ZERO to do with the Lakota people, Pine Ridge, or any physical location in South Dakota or any State for that matter.  Simply put, it’s a PO Box in South Dakota that Rob would clear out once a month, take the silver that was sent in, sell it, and live off the money.  ZERO loans are made out of this bank.

Instead of paying depositors interest & making loans to people at a higher rate of interest (simple S & L banking business model) Rob instead would live off depositors money & use other deposits to start his companies, in simple terms an embezzling Ponzi scheme.  No Bank, no loans, no tribe, no safe, no vault, just a guy in front of his computer buying a URL & going up once a month to clear out a PO Box.

After about a year, the silver was coming in to slow to the bank, so Rob then decided to open AOCS, the beauty of AOCS is it allowed Rob to start taking checks & bank wires.  See AOCS was the official Mint for the Lakota Bank, & the bank claims it “doesn’t touch federal reserve notes”.  Yes, instead Rob gets the Federal Reserve Notes (Your Cash) through AOCS, then from his same computer switches to your Lakota Bank Account & sends you an email saying there is silver in your account.

The silver is never bought, the silver is never minted.  It is simply spending money for David & Rob Gray.  Almost everything is under Davis Gray’s name.  Bank accounts, trusts, entities, etc.  Rob’s past is so bad he can’t get a credit card, open a bank account, or get approved for anything.

This all functioned fairly small time (six figure operation) until sometime in early 2012.  Rob who previously was running the bank, AOCS, & 8 other entities bogus entities had to take a job in the Ionizer business again because he was broke.   Then mysteriously he went from broke & struggling to make his 4 man payroll, to a $250,000 miracle.  A depositor must have came through out of thin air, Rob had landed the Hail Mary he’d been waiting a lifetime for.  Literally within a month 2 period after receiving the victims money he & his family took a 20,000 dollar European cruise vacation (safe to say the depositor doesn’t know) & Rob & David put 150,000 dollars into a new trust they created called SLV PROPERTIES.   The Grays were now had their very own building, strange that they would form an offshore trust to buy a piece of land with depositor money, that would imply fraud, embezzlement, money laundering, & a Ponzi.

In simple terms, Gray & his brother take in wires & checks through AOCS, never buy or mint the silver, vanish the money right away & buy assets under other trusts or entities & then tell depositors they have silver in their account.  The danger in this doesn’t require a Wharton business degree to acknowledge.  Gray now can bankrupt the Free Lakota Bank, & when depositors go to liquidate the banks assets there is nothing there to liquidate.

The deposits grew larger & larger the last year with all the attention that came from Ron Paul, Retail Partners, & affiliates.   Now what you have are not only depositor money being embezzled & laundered, but investor & partner money doing the same.  There is ZERO segregation, only Rob & David know where all the bodies are buried.  Offshore, airplanes, Mansions, cars, motorcycles, etc.   Its going to be a bloodbath with whomever is left holding the bag…..

Laughing hard at all these panic sellers, they'll be crying shortly

People are stupid selling for those prices anyways check out the big news : http://imgur.com/mVARF82

I was hoping that we had heard the last of this group, but I feel I need to
put things in prospective.

I have a dear friend in Colorado who is a respected tribal lawyer and
licensed to practice in many tribal courts throughout the west and
mid-west. I spoke to him about the withdrawing from treaties and he knew
exactly who I was talking about.

Please read the link below and note that this claim was made by 3 people
NOT the Treaty Council, the traditional government of the Lakota.

Take note that one of these people is the contact for this Free Lakota
Bank, Canupa Gluha Mani.

Also, one of these 3 people is Russell Means. I have pasted below a portion
of a press release from AIM’s on Feb 20, 1999 about Russell means. This is
not anyone we need to associate ourselves with.

“What is especially egregious and outrageous about Russell Mean’s
violations of the laws of the Dine Nation is that he is charged with
assault and battery against his father-in-law, Mr. Leon Grant who is a
revered elder of both the Omaha and Dine Nation and is 80 years of age and
has an artificial arm. We, of the American Indian Movement Grand Governing
Council are no longer surprised by Russell’s clownish antics. He continues
to deceitfully mis-represent the American Indian Movement in order to
deceive those peoples and organizations worldwide, who due to their
goodwill, and support of the Indian cause may have already, or will
contribute to his appeal through his personal web page where he solicits
money for the Russell Means Philanthropy and AIM Club Membership in name of
the American Indian Movement, and an “Immersion Indian School” that never
existed, nor does it exist at this time.”

Please check this out and repost it. We don’t need any black marks on the
Campaign for Liberty.