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161  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: the government did it on: April 16, 2013, 08:07:43 AM
Who knows. It doesn't take all that much money to buy up a lot of Bitcoins at very high prices, then dumping them at all once for very low prices to create massive volatility, which destroys public confidence.
162  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitcoin is done. on: April 16, 2013, 07:56:44 AM
The prices are fake, we must to aknowledge it.
The real price of a BTC will be taken when people really use it for transaction; buying real things.

Now, with all these "market" out there, there is only a game of speculators who play to raise and fall to get profit. Those markets are based on nothing more than offer and demand. Those market ignore dollar inflation, dollar devaluation, bitcoin deflation, difficulty, etc; that is the reason why it's volatile; the price seems to be the will of some speculators playing stock games.

Even, reading the BTCe chat, you know that the value of BTC is based on the health of MtGox servers: If they lag, BTC go down. Ridiculous. If a guy with 1 million dollars buy all the sell orders from 50 to 200, then the BTC will cost 200 magically. And then he can sell all for 199. What do you think? Is not it nonsensical?

Good to see some common sense.
163  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitcoin is done. on: April 16, 2013, 06:50:29 AM
If you really believe this, the central bank should be proud of the attack. IT WORKED! The Bitcoin spirit broken.

I'm happy to see, there are still lots of bulls in here.

There are more people involved in Bitcoins outside of those on these boards. I hardly believe Bitcoin is "done".
164  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is not dead on: April 16, 2013, 04:06:44 AM
The right people will still come into Bitcoins for the right reasons regardless if the price is $1000 or a $1. No need to worry.
165  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is bitcoin even still after the crash over valued??? on: April 16, 2013, 02:12:33 AM
The price on these exchanges don't mean much about the actual value of a Bitcoin at this moment. It's still too early to say if it is over valued. Wait a few more years.
166  Economy / Economics / Re: Paul Krugman (1998): By 2005 Internet will have no more economic impact than fax on: April 16, 2013, 02:02:50 AM
Though some of you would like this little gem  Cool

http://web.archive.org/web/19980610100009/www.redherring.com/mag/issue55/economics.html

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Why most economists' predictions are wrong.
By Paul Krugman

Everyone knows we are living in a time of spectacular technological progress--progress at a rate that nobody could have foreseen. But is what everyone knows really true?

Recently I went to the library and checked out a once-famous book, Herman Kahn's The Year 2000, published in 1967. The book is a favorite because it is a perfect example of overly optimistic economic forecasting. Kahn, presumably drawing on the opinions of pretty reasonable people, predicted that over the last third of the century living standards would double, despite a sharp reduction in work time. He thought that by 2000 a 30-hour workweek, with 13 weeks of vacation per year, would be the norm. He then went on to worry about the social implications of excessive leisure time. His prophecy didn't come true, but most Americans were too busy trying to make ends meet to notice.

Why was Kahn--along with almost everyone else--so optimistic? Mainly because he expected spectacular technological progress, which for the most part has not materialized.

No bots
Kahn provided a convenient set of tables listing 100 innovations that he considered "very likely" by the year 2000, plus 25 "somewhat unlikely" possibilities. And he actually fares pretty well. Among the very likely developments were many major technological changes that have taken place. He predicted, for example, that most people would have computers at home and that they would be able to use them both to search databases and to communicate. He also predicted pocket phones, VCRs, and home satellite dishes. Indeed, I can't think of a single important technological development since 1967 that was not on his list.

All of his errors were in the opposite direction. Many of the technological developments he predicted, like radical new power sources, dramatically cheaper construction techniques, and undersea cities, did not materialize. In fact, only about a third of his very likely innovations have occurred, by my count, mainly in areas involving information processing; two-thirds have not. (An example: though Kahn was skeptical that housecleaning robots would be available by 1984, he regarded them as more or less a sure thing by 2000.) And not one of the innovations he listed as somewhat likely has taken place--or seems likely to happen any time soon. In short, looking back at the future makes it pretty clear that technology has made less, not more, progress than expected.

How can this be, when information technology is making such strides? One answer is that input isn't the same as output. The raw power of computers has advanced at a stunning speed, but has this advance translated into a comparable improvement in their usefulness? Word processing, to take the most obvious example, hasn't fundamentally improved since the late '80s. And in the view of many people I know, WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS was actually better for their purposes than any of the bloatware that has followed.

Peaks in valleys
Another explanation is that when all is said and done, the technological progress we keep hearing about is occurring in only a small part of the economy. Silicon Valley employs something like one-third of 1 percent of U.S. workers, and information technology as a whole no more than 3 or 4 percent, unless you use a definition so broad as to be meaningless.

So never mind the hype. The truth is that we live in an age not of extraordinary progress but of technological disappointment. And that's why the future is not what it used to be.

Paul Krugman is a professor of economics at MIT.

Well he is from MIT, I suppose most readers just follows that he must know best.
167  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-15 BBC news: Bitcoin miners generating high energy bills on: April 15, 2013, 11:40:20 PM
If they need hit pieces like these, then you know they're threatened.

It's too bad that BBC doesn't allow user comments.

What a "democratic" way to operate.

Just use reddit.

Unfortunately most folks don't use reddit. They just look at a headline... gloss over maybe the first paragraph or two and that's it.
168  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price rise after the weekend? on: April 15, 2013, 11:32:43 PM
go pray at your local church

oh plz god plz i wanna be rich

Go troll somewhere else loser.
lost alot?

Lost nothing. Just tired of your useless sensationalism.
169  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price rise after the weekend? on: April 15, 2013, 11:28:44 PM
go pray at your local church

oh plz god plz i wanna be rich

Go troll somewhere else loser.
170  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-15 BBC news: Bitcoin miners generating high energy bills on: April 15, 2013, 11:24:47 PM
If they need hit pieces like these, then you know they're threatened.

It's too bad that BBC doesn't allow user comments.

What a "democratic" way to operate.

Some articles do.

Well BBC has high readership, so they have a pretty big mic.

The sites that do allow comments, some of them are not well read.
171  Economy / Speculation / Re: SELL! SELL! SELL! on: April 15, 2013, 10:39:59 PM
It is possible that these 2 crashes could seriously hinder BTC, making way for another alt currency a couple years down the road.

Doubt it. BTC's will still gain adoption whatever the price.
172  Economy / Speculation / Re: PANIC!!!! on: April 15, 2013, 10:09:29 PM
Okay everybody, just take a deep breath. Loosen your sphincters. We don't need any rush hour Rambos here.
173  Other / Off-topic / Re: Elitist Bitcoin Clubs on: April 15, 2013, 07:47:51 PM
It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it.
174  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-14 - NY Times - Antisocial Network - Paul Krugman on: April 15, 2013, 05:29:54 PM
LOL, look at the massive wall of text in the user comments. Seems like 8/10 of them just kisses this pompous article writer's ass. What a joke.

It's all fine though, the more they write about Bitcoin, no matter in what context, the more people will know about them. And out of those people, you'll have a certain amount that actually have minds worthy of researching Bitcoin in more depth. Those are the people we need as participants in this ecosystem, not some sheep who can't tell left from right.
175  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-15 BBC news: Bitcoin miners generating high energy bills on: April 15, 2013, 05:22:06 PM
If they need hit pieces like these, then you know they're threatened.

It's too bad that BBC doesn't allow user comments.

What a "democratic" way to operate.
176  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would it be fair to say Satoshi is a British Mathematician? on: April 15, 2013, 03:31:39 AM
When Bitcoin really makes it big, I wonder if they'll write a book on Satoshi. Half of the book will be all of his posts on this forum. That would be interesting.

I'll be damned if he wasn't in every economics textbook by 2040.

Or science-fiction, or philosophy, or political science, computing-science.... the genres that Satoshi could fit into is literally endless.

If Philip K Dick was alive today, I wonder what interpretation he could make of Satoshi.
177  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would it be fair to say Satoshi is a British Mathematician? on: April 15, 2013, 03:21:22 AM
When Bitcoin really makes it big, I wonder if they'll write a book on Satoshi. Half of the book will be all of his posts on this forum. That would be interesting.
178  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would it be fair to say Satoshi is a British Mathematician? on: April 15, 2013, 02:15:12 AM
Satoshi is Jesus.

Perhaps, space Jesus.
179  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Final Solution to the Mtgox Problem... on: April 14, 2013, 07:34:17 PM
So we'll round up all the people over at Mt. Gox and gas them...
180  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-12 Roger Ver Rocks on FoxBusiness!! on: April 14, 2013, 05:59:10 PM
You all make it sound like this is some sort of game of who will come first to the finish line.

Roger and the other two presented their views, opinions and they respected each others opinions. I was glad that Roger was so calm without being agitated or anything, so he's good for PR.

Of course. Rodger is an awesome guy. One of the if (not the) best representative speaksmans Bitcoin has.

Every time I have seen him so far, he has managed to represented Bitcoin in Professional way I really admire him for.


* Gosh this sound like I'm crawling in his a**

I think Trace Mayer is better. He goes into depth about things without sounding too upbeat.
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