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401  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 03:55:58 PM
So at first i rejoiced, it seemed that lambie had defeated JJG and all was well.

But it seems increasingly that our heroic lambie sacrificed himself in the effort, perhaps he was a little careless with the PPE, or maybe in the heat of battle it was inevitable, but sadly our lambie appears to have been infected with the wordy virus.

A sad day.

LOL, I was actually thinking this myself. Like where did JJG go? Is he alive, is his ghost haunting my keyboard?

This silly virus doom and gloom when things are bullish af has brought it out in me.

I think Ive made my points clearly and dont have to much more to prove on the whole COVBULL-19 thing so it shouldn't be that wordy going forward.  Smiley
402  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 03:35:44 PM
I hope we cross $ 10k, or else it’s completely boring, I want to meet halving in a good mood Roll Eyes

I think we’ll be in the $10,000 - $12,500 range as we get to the halving. We’ll probably see a dump post halving which is what tends to happen before another pump.

Disclaimer: I have no fucking clue what I’m talking about most of the time. This is not investment advice. Do your own research.

Im thinkin like 14k. But 12.5 works too.
403  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 02:57:25 PM
https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-who-director-generals-comments-that-3-4-of-reported-covid-19-cases-have-died-globally/


MARCH 4, 2020
expert reaction to WHO Director-General’s comments that 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died globally

Prof Mark Woolhouse, Professor of Infectious Disease Epidemiology, University of Edinburgh, said:

"The WHO is using the official figure for confirmed cases as the denominator, and this gives the estimate of 3.4%.  But if a significant number of mild cases have been missed or not reported then this estimate is too high.  Though there is disagreement about this, some studies have suggested that it is approximately 10 times too high.  Shocked This would bring the death rate in line with some strains of influenza  Cool. "



Prof Christl Donnelly, University of Oxford, and WHO Collaborating Centre for Infectious Disease Modelling, Imperial College London, said:

"Our analyses have included estimates of the case fatality ratio, but also the infection fatality ratio. The infection fatality ratio is the proportion of infections (including those with no symptoms or mild symptoms) that die of the disease.  Our estimate for this is 1%. This is lower than the observed 3.4% figure because asymptomatic and mildly symptomatic cases are included in the denominator.”

If you wanted some guys with fancy degrees who wear white coats to tell you what I pretty much already told you, well there it is. COVBULL-19 is not nearly as deadly as all the hype and hysteria of money printers would lead you to believe.


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Stay Bullish Boyz, everything is gonna be alright. Smiley

67 days till the Halvening and all is well.

404  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 12:55:28 PM
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Residents of urban areas are not provided with free healthcare, and must either pay for treatment or purchase health insurance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_China

https://www.internations.org/go/moving-to-china/healthcare

"China does have free public healthcare which is under the country’s social insurance plan. The healthcare system provides basic coverage for the majority of the native population and, in most cases, expats as well. However, it will depend on the region you reside in. As some areas don’t require their foreign residents to support the local healthcare system by paying the appropriate taxes, those residents will not be covered by public healthcare."  

These sources appear to be in conflict as slightly more people live in urban areas than not. One of them seems incorrect and Im not flying to Wuhan to find out.  Cheesy

Either way, I would still say that even if Wikipedia is the correct source, that free healthcare is available to all, bc everyone in an urban area is free to move out to the suburbs or country to get free healthcare.  Cheesy





Except you aren’t, because you cant change suburbs in China without a government permit, called a Hukou.  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou



Good find. I stand corrected. Although Im sure people can and do get permits and move, it never occurred to me they couldn't live where they wanted if they could afford it.

Seems I overestimated what an an authoritarian shithole it really is. LOL, nice goin commies!  Roll Eyes Shit like this is why Bernie got rekt by an old man who barely knows where he is when he is tired. Capitalism beats central planning based systems like communism.

Well Ill let V8s go on a fact finding mission and investigate who is correct, wikipedia or  internations.org

Perhaps I got bad info from what looked to be a decent source.

Doesn't change the crux of my Diamond Princess argument in the slightest.

Nitpicking imo is merely a time wasting strategy to fill the void where good arguments are lacking. This statement is not directed at you HM. You presented an interesting fact that I'm happy to learn.

405  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 11:36:15 AM
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Residents of urban areas are not provided with free healthcare, and must either pay for treatment or purchase health insurance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_China

https://www.internations.org/go/moving-to-china/healthcare

"China does have free public healthcare which is under the country’s social insurance plan. The healthcare system provides basic coverage for the majority of the native population and, in most cases, expats as well. However, it will depend on the region you reside in. As some areas don’t require their foreign residents to support the local healthcare system by paying the appropriate taxes, those residents will not be covered by public healthcare."  

These sources appear to be in conflict as slightly more people live in urban areas than not. One of them seems incorrect and Im not flying to Wuhan to find out.  Cheesy

Either way, I would still say that even if Wikipedia is the correct source, that free healthcare is available to all, bc everyone in an urban area is free to move out to the suburbs or country to get free healthcare.  Cheesy



406  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 11:21:10 AM
not saying you are wrong much, just here and there (medical care is free in China lol), no need for long inquisitions. just your narrative would be more convincing if you didn't let these glaring errors interfere.



https://www.internations.org/go/moving-to-china/healthcare

"China does have free public healthcare which is under the country’s social insurance plan. The healthcare system provides basic coverage for the majority of the native population and, in most cases, expats as well. However, it will depend on the region you reside in. As some areas don’t require their foreign residents to support the local healthcare system by paying the appropriate taxes, those residents will not be covered by public healthcare."  

Tell me more.  Smiley

The quote of mine you are nitpicking kindly attempting to correct me about is this one

"Its easy to see why the commies in China got overrun, they have free healthcare for all which means a shitty healthcare system."

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg53963505#msg53963505

The communist regimes social insurance plan doesn't cover everything, it looks to be about 50-70 percent of patients costs, but it does cover almost everyone. So most everyone does get free healthcare, but its not all free.

I prefer using generalizations instead of making everything a dissertation bc I dont have time for that, and nobody wants to read giant text walls of details, they are smart enough to get the point.


Anywayz, you didn't rebutt my assertions with arguments, rather you went fact checker on me, but the one you mentioned was actually not an error at all.

407  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 10:48:21 AM
https://nextstrain.org/narratives/ncov/sit-rep/2020-03-04?n=1
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   COVID-19 was introduced into Italy at least twice with subsequent community spread (go to this).
    This includes a cluster of sequences from 6 different countries where cases appear to have been exported from Italy (go to this).
    Genetic sequence data supports the hypothesis of undetected, sustained spread of COVID-19 in the greater Seattle area since mid-January (go to this).
    All the sequenced cases included in this analysis likely share a common ancestor sometime between mid-November and mid-December 2019. (go to this).
the latest 'narrative'. maybe slayer can do some homework and find an earlier narrative about the ship of olds if he's not too busy making bland lesbememes
am off to walk the dogs and pray for Missy

Maybe when your done walking your dogs you can do enough homework to actually be able to rebutt the assertions in my reply to you with some good arguments, and rethink your taste in memes involving nice girls licking each other  Wink
408  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 10:41:11 AM
Bernie Bros completely rekt. https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3633/Who-will-win-the-2020-Democratic-presidential-nomination

Now we dont have to worry about a Bitcoin hostile communist idealogue in the White House for 4 years. Bullish as hell, even the stock market loved it.

Bernie isn't bitcoin-hostile. He's fed-hostile.

Joe is fed-happy, but if he wins the nomination, this is likely the man who will be in the white house for 4 more years:



IMO, a vote for Joe is a vote for this.

Good points about Trump. But I think communism is inherently hostile to Bitcoin and Bernie will love the Fed once he can control it just like Trump went from bashing money printing to become the King of money printers. Also its really the communist idealogues that Bernie will appoint that I worry about. He will but ultra left communist at heart leaning types in charge of the Fed, the Treasury etc, and they will likely imo be ultra Bitcoin hostile as they dont like capitalism or private capital, and Bitcoin is the ultimate form of private capital.

Luckily imo I dont have to worry about this bc Bernie looks to be toast and will no doubt endorse the establishment candidate just like he did with Hillary.
409  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 10:36:58 AM
This new green dildo on the daily chart has us firmly in a nice uptrend now. Shouldnt take long to knock on 10ks door.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8OHybVhQwc

@LS, now in Las Vegas? Many tourist gamblers staying away??

The casinos are pretty normal. Maybe a bit slower than usual, but not much. They probably are doing bad as far as profit since they lost the Chinese VIP's, but those peeps are prolific wealthy gamblers. Asian culture is huge on gambling, and the ones that make the trip skew highly to the wealthy side, so Id guess losing an average Chinese customer is like losing 10 customers from California where Vegas gets most of its business.

Conferences are being canceled here and there, but that wont take effect till down the road. People plan their trips to Vegas pretty far in advance so thats probably why it hasnt changed much. Also since California is about 40 percent of Vegas business, I would guess that Vegas is deemed safer than Cali, so those people feel like they are getting away from Coronavirus threats when they go to LV.  

Gamblers are inherent risk takers. Who knows the Virus hysteria might make it more exciting for some.

Some of the gamblers who stay home will be jonesing for some action and will likely take a chance on King Bitcoin to get their fix.  Smiley
410  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 10:16:37 AM
This new green dildo on the daily chart has us firmly in a nice uptrend now. Shouldnt take long to knock on 10ks door.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8OHybVhQwc
411  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 10:14:17 AM
https://nextstrain.org/ncov

Slayer will you look at this - I shared it weeks ago but you musta missed it making memes about boyz  Roll Eyes

Every strain is different. You can't extrapolate eg death rates from one outbreak to another without using that site or similar's details on the strains. Maybe your ship of crones' strain was better or worse than average at killing.

You musta missed this meme with the girlz.  Grin via Imgflip Meme Generator

Viruses tend to get less lethal overtime as they mutate bc its hard to spread your ilk around when you kill the host too often and too quickly. So if you get a new strain its probably less deadly than the Diamond Princess early strain with its low mortality rate.

The whole point is, the Diamond Princess sample group is the only group that makes any sense to attempt to extrapolate a mortality rate since everyone was tested regardless of symptoms. Until something better comes along this is the Bitcoin Standard for mortality rates, and its low af, and the people were about 2 decades older than a general population, so we have rock solid evidence that the mortality rate is most likely a lot lower than .85 percent. My guess is as low as .2 to .4 percent.

Mutations will more likely bring this down than bring it up imo bc lower lethality is a survival advantage for a virus.

TLDR: Buy Bitcoin, COVBULL-19 is not nearly as lethal as advertised but money printers are going nutz anywayz.

 

412  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 09:46:53 AM
Can we all take a moment to celebrate the triumph of Donald Trump shutting down the Predict program in October 2019.  

The Predict program was a “government research program, which sought to identify animal viruses that might infect humans and to head off new pandemics.”  

Surely this is one of Trump’s most glorious acts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/health/predict-usaid-viruses.html

Didnt a government funded lab in China cause this problem in the first place. The pressure China feels to research and create bioweapons comes from them wanting to keep up with the West who spends large amounts doing the same.

"trained about 5,000 people in 30 African and Asian countries, and has built or strengthened 60 medical research laboratories, mostly in poor countries."

I realize this program sounds fairly harmless on the surface, but at the end of the day it still funded 60 labs researching viruses mostly in countries other than our own. Who is to say what these poorer countries and their corrupt leaders will do with the labs. Could come in handy if they go rogue and want to make a bioweapon to hurt their own people or enemies. Im glad its gone tbh.

Giving poor countries money that can be used for weapons research rarely ends well. To me this whole thing smells like an excuse to hand over money to corrupt foreign regimes in exchange for increased U.S. influence in doing the kind of shit we love best, causing tons of trouble in all poor countries who dont kiss our ass at all times.






413  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 09:34:06 AM
Sup bears.  Smiley

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414  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 09:31:21 AM
We did it! Cheesy
415  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 09:12:01 AM
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Bernie Bros completely rekt. https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3633/Who-will-win-the-2020-Democratic-presidential-nomination

Now we dont have to worry about a Bitcoin hostile communist idealogue in the White House for 4 years. Bullish as hell, even the stock market loved it.
416  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 09:05:03 AM
It's infuriating that all the worlds supposed experts are calculating the death rate wrong.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Recovered compared to infected. A 56% recovery rate. So a 44% mortality rate. And that is just as valid as what they are doing.

The correct calculation remains deaths/(deaths+cured). This is important.

Most of the people who got cured were never tested or diagnosed, so there is little value to worldometers stats. Everybody notices a death.

Nobodies notices or will ever know about the likely 100s of thousands of people who caught it, never had a symptom or just thought they had a cold, and were cured without any medical help. The immune system is the greatest doctor anyone has.
Or the people who die at home and are not counted, in china especially, or the people who are counted as dying from a hundred other issues, or, or and so on.

As long as the official stats are what everyone is quoting, then we should at least calculate those numbers correctly.

We have enough samples outside of China where we can be more certain the dead are counted properly. We only have one sample in the entire globe where an entire population was tested and we know what their mortality rate is. Thats the Diamond Princess. We know the rate of death for the 700 infected was .85 percent, and we know that this population was about 20 years older than a normal population of people bc cruise passengers skew much older.

This is the best evidence on the planet for a true mortality rate ceiling. Meaning the true mortality rate is no higher than .85, and almost certainly much lower in a normal aged group of people.

Until an entire town or village is tested, regardless of symptoms, or just a very large random population sample is tested, the Diamond Princess will remain the scientific gold (Bitcoin Smiley ) standard for a true mortality estimate.

Hopefully the money printers dont read WO and figure these secrets out or they will stop panicking and turn off the money printers.  
Again, a country is different from a ship. Besides nobody is talking about the "critical" category yet. What is their death rate? Things have yet to play out long enough to get a clear picture.

We know the rate of death for the 700 infected was .85 percent,
No. You are doing it wrong. It's about 3%, even in the artificial conditions of a ship where people can be controlled and are getting the best care their deep wallets can buy.

Again, SK is likely the best actual country to look at at the moment. Their death rate is over 28% at the moment.

And this is just the beginning stages, before the system gets completely overwhelmed. It's almost certain to get much worse.

Your death rate calculations are useless bc you dont know about the vast numbers of uncounted infected. You wont know this till they take a very large random sample of the population and test it, or test an entire village or town.

Whats the point of your incomplete stats. They tell us practically nothing except how likely you are to die if you get really sick and go to the hospital.

The Diamond Princess had 6 deaths out of 700. Highly unlikely anyone else dies out of that 700 bc the time of infection has been too long. .85 percent mortality is the ceiling based on best available evidence. The stats from countries who just test a few sick people are inferior and borderline useless for finding a true mortality rate or "death rate".

Its a cool way to spin it and try an trick low iq people into thinking this is super deadly though, so I guess its not totally useless. Wink

The more people get tricked, the more hysteria and money printing we get so I encourage you to continue. I doubt many here will be fooled though.

You, yourself, are using official numbers. Don't just shift the goalpost according to your own whims. And you are still calculating it wrong. This is a waste of time.

Of course Im using official numbers that arent from a lying communist regime. The point was never about who had official numbers or not.  

The difference is Im using the only sample so far where an entire large population group was tested, regardless of symptoms.

Your core stats are most likely accurate.

Its your extrapolations that are futile because none of the nations tested entire populations regardless of symptoms. Rather they just tested mostly sick people or people known to be in direct contact with sick people.

This is guaranteed to miss tons of infected people with mild or no symptoms, making mortality rates based of these core stats utterly and completely useless no matter how hard anyone tries.


Luckily we have one sample group from the Diamond Princess that was different, bc every single person except 14 who got off early, were tested and we found that out of the 700 infected, only 6 died. Their is a small chance one more could pass away, but its highly unlikely at this point with the amount of time that has passed.

.85 percent mortality rate for a group of people 20 years older than average citizen is the best number we have so far. True mortality rate is probably half that at most for a normal age sample.
417  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 08:55:52 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/princess-cruise-passenger-dies-coronavirus-ship-heads-for-san-francisco-2020-3

We will be getting another sample soon for true mortality rate. I expect every single person on this ship will be tested in short order. Hint: most will survive. In fact, probably about 99.15 percent will make it, just like on the Diamond Princess, even though they are on average about two decades older than the general population.
418  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 08:51:26 AM
It's infuriating that all the worlds supposed experts are calculating the death rate wrong.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Recovered compared to infected. A 56% recovery rate. So a 44% mortality rate. And that is just as valid as what they are doing.

The correct calculation remains deaths/(deaths+cured). This is important.

Most of the people who got cured were never tested or diagnosed, so there is little value to worldometers stats. Everybody notices a death.

Nobodies notices or will ever know about the likely 100s of thousands of people who caught it, never had a symptom or just thought they had a cold, and were cured without any medical help. The immune system is the greatest doctor anyone has.
Or the people who die at home and are not counted, in china especially, or the people who are counted as dying from a hundred other issues, or, or and so on.

As long as the official stats are what everyone is quoting, then we should at least calculate those numbers correctly.

We have enough samples outside of China where we can be more certain the dead are counted properly. We only have one sample in the entire globe where an entire population was tested and we know what their mortality rate is. Thats the Diamond Princess. We know the rate of death for the 700 infected was .85 percent, and we know that this population was about 20 years older than a normal population of people bc cruise passengers skew much older.

This is the best evidence on the planet for a true mortality rate ceiling. Meaning the true mortality rate is no higher than .85, and almost certainly much lower in a normal aged group of people.

Until an entire town or village is tested, regardless of symptoms, or just a very large random population sample is tested, the Diamond Princess will remain the scientific gold (Bitcoin Smiley ) standard for a true mortality estimate.

Hopefully the money printers dont read WO and figure these secrets out or they will stop panicking and turn off the money printers.  
Again, a country is different from a ship. Besides nobody is talking about the "critical" category yet. What is their death rate? Things have yet to play out long enough to get a clear picture.

We know the rate of death for the 700 infected was .85 percent,
No. You are doing it wrong. It's about 3%, even in the artificial conditions of a ship where people can be controlled and are getting the best care their deep wallets can buy.

Again, SK is likely the best actual country to look at at the moment. Their death rate is over 28% at the moment.

And this is just the beginning stages, before the system gets completely overwhelmed. It's almost certain to get much worse.

Your death rate calculations are useless bc you dont know about the vast numbers of uncounted infected. You wont know this till they take a very large random sample of the population and test it, or test an entire village or town.

Whats the point of your incomplete stats. They tell us practically nothing except how likely you are to die if you get really sick and go to the hospital.

The Diamond Princess had 6 deaths out of 700. Highly unlikely anyone else dies out of that 700 bc the time of infection has been too long. .85 percent mortality is the ceiling based on best available evidence. The stats from countries who just test a few sick people are inferior and borderline useless for finding a true mortality rate or "death rate".

Its a cool way to spin it and try an trick low iq people into thinking this is super deadly though, so I guess its not totally useless. Wink

The more people get tricked, the more hysteria and money printing we get so I encourage you to continue. I doubt many here will be fooled though.
419  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 08:39:29 AM
It's infuriating that all the worlds supposed experts are calculating the death rate wrong.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Recovered compared to infected. A 56% recovery rate. So a 44% mortality rate. And that is just as valid as what they are doing.

The correct calculation remains deaths/(deaths+cured). This is important.

Most of the people who got cured were never tested or diagnosed, so there is little value to worldometers stats. Everybody notices a death.

Nobodies notices or will ever know about the likely 100s of thousands of people who caught it, never had a symptom or just thought they had a cold, and were cured without any medical help. The immune system is the greatest doctor anyone has.

True.
Actually people don't die because of the virus, but because of their immune reactions consequences.
If you have a weak system, it will over-react to the virus. If you have a strong system, it will react less or quicker.
A few exceptions to this rule, but it's mostly correct, imo.

I myself have a hyperreactive kind of immune response. I catch a small cold and feel ill for like a week or two, without fever. Don't know what that means in terms of health risk with nCoV, but my lungs and organs are healthy. And i'm within the "safe" age band, below 70yrs.
Children seem to get infected less or develop less severe symptoms, is this still true and what do the virologists say?



Children are barely affected by this. Most have little to no symptoms and not a single death for the 9 and under group. Thats why canceling schools is just panic and hysteria. A better prevention tactic would be to restrict all children from visiting nursing homes and advising elderly and children to avoid each other in general until this blows over.

The panic is so extreme with this disease bc the power brokers of society are all old as hell and they would rather shut down society than risk meeting their maker a few months ahead of schedule. Have you ever seen bipartisan money get approved so fast in the U.S. Its bc all of the Senate, the House, and the President are old as hell. All the billionaire owners of the msm are old as hell too so they are directing their outlets to pump hysteria, bc they are scared themselves.

This is gonna play into Bitcoins hands as we know that old elites print money to attempt solving every problem they have ever encountered. This doomsday hysteria will be no different.
420  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2020, 08:30:41 AM
Nutildah puts his dog hat back on... Bullish!

The hat is really well done and detailed, the finer points of which are lost on the avatar-size version. so I'm posting the original, full-size image here in all its glory.



9000 here we come.
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