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1  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2019, 11:35:12 PM
Ok so Ive been invested in BTC since 2018 with an average cost basis of about 8k per coin. Sadly I dont see how we arent going to have at least one more huge move down well below 3k. I have orders to buy 3 more coins if we hit 2k. I dont want to sell rn but I am considering taking out a short position here. I believe in Bitcoin, but Im tired of so much losing in my first year Embarrassed

Could a few members help me out and post their best argument for why we already saw the bottom, or their best argument of why we are gonna have another big move to new lows.

Thank you in advance.

Stop worrying about shorting the final gasp of the bear market and start thinking about when you are going to long the bottom and how you are going to do it.  Much more profitable.

I have thought about this, thats why I said I have orders to buy 3 more coins at 2k. Thats all I can afford to lose. It will bring my total investment to almost 40k. I will not invest another dollar after that. All ive known investing in Bitcoin is a terrible bear market and its hard not to worry as early adopters dump on my face Cry, but thank you for the advice.

Im interested in hearing other Bitcoiners best argument(s) as to why the bottom is not in yet(i believe it isnt but hope im wrong). If you have one id love to hear it. If not thanks anyway.



The bottom is probably not in, but it is also probably very close.  It could happen tomorrow or anytime in the next 8 months before the halvening starts to kick in.

We need a deep penetration of the 200 Week Moving Average to kick off an enormous volume spike that will seal the bottom of this bear market.  So basically we are sitting around waiting for one final, terrifying price crash.



If you want to wait until it is "safe" to buy, wait until the Moving Averages are all back in the correct order, eg 30 is above the 50 which is above the 100 which is above the 200.  This last happened in November 2016 around $420 which sparked the first real rally of the bull market.  The taupe and purple lines (30 and 50) were the last to uncross in November 2016.   It is reasonable to expect they will uncross again sometime in late 2019, early 2020 at latest.

All of this assumes we follow the model of the 2014 / 2015 cryptowinter.  To date we have followed it closely, so there is no particular reason to think we will not continue to do so.  

This is not investment advice, I am a drunk with hygiene issues and a degenerate gambler.

This is the best answer I have seen, thank you. I do not know what is wrong with the weird Ballerina guy but I used the ignore button on him. I do not want to interact with rude people. I just opened a small short and will look out for that volume spike.
2  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2019, 12:27:14 PM
Ok so Ive been invested in BTC since 2018 with an average cost basis of about 8k per coin. Sadly I dont see how we arent going to have at least one more huge move down well below 3k. I have orders to buy 3 more coins if we hit 2k. I dont want to sell rn but I am considering taking out a short position here. I believe in Bitcoin, but Im tired of so much losing in my first year Embarrassed

Could a few members help me out and post their best argument for why we already saw the bottom, or their best argument of why we are gonna have another big move to new lows.

Thank you in advance.

You just need to be patient & wait it out. Don’t panic sell at a loss, most of us have, at some point been staring at massive losses holding heavy bags.

In 2014 I thought I’d made a huge mistake investing in bitcoin but I dug deep & HODLED. Even at current prices I am HODLING huge, huge profits.

Since the first block was mined, over time, the bitcoin price only heads in one direction overall & that is up.
You may need to HODL for even another 2 years but I can close to 100% confidently tell you that you will make very noce profits.

The next halving is mid 2020. If you can wait for possibly 12-18 months after that you will make obscene profits.

Don’t sell my friend....HODL....It may be the best thing you ever do financially.

Thank you for responding. I am not going to sell my coins for many years, even if it goes to zero, I can afford to lose what I bought. I am thinking of taking a short position on margin that is significantly smaller than the coins I own. I think the bottom is not in yet, but would like to be wrong. I have a job that pays well and I will buy more if 2k comes and then I am not investing anymore, bc I cant afford to lose more than 40k right now.

My question is can you or anyone else give me their best argument as to why the bottom is in or not. I feel longer term investors than myself might have better insight than me so that is why I ask. Last of the V8 gave a nice list which I appreciate and I would be interested in your best argument if you care to tell me. Thank you.
3  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2019, 10:38:30 AM
Clearly not enough weak hands have been shaken out yet.
The whale always needs more plankton, and the plankton is 'tired'.
160,000 Gox coins to be released.
Bitmain to be declared bankrupt.
More layoffs due - coinbase, bitpay, other buggers.
ETH fork uncertainty.
Halving still some way off.
ETF denials.
Bakkt have reportedly already bought their coins.
b~,tmsr is short of managers
99% of twitter and 98% of bitcointalk sees legacy regulation as necessary.
Scams taking money away from btc: ETH, SV, EOS, ripple, security tokens, Barry Silbert, taxes... more.
No bitcoin drama (sorry theymos trust drama doesn't count). (maybe the proof of proof thing a tiny bit)
JimboToronto went to Mexico. TheHeron is awol or so it appears.

did i missed any fuds? Grin


Thank you for the good answer. Gox coins really scare me too, and i hate the scammers and so many fake bitcoins, they confuse people. I didnt know bakkt already bought, interesting.

I dont know who JimboToronto and Mr. Heron are, but I hope they dont dump on my face like all the early adopters seem to do. I picked a bad year to invest, but i will stay in for the long term. Im young and can save up more money if I lose it all but it will suck.
4  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2019, 10:29:18 AM
Ok so Ive been invested in BTC since 2018 with an average cost basis of about 8k per coin. Sadly I dont see how we arent going to have at least one more huge move down well below 3k. I have orders to buy 3 more coins if we hit 2k. I dont want to sell rn but I am considering taking out a short position here. I believe in Bitcoin, but Im tired of so much losing in my first year Embarrassed

Could a few members help me out and post their best argument for why we already saw the bottom, or their best argument of why we are gonna have another big move to new lows.

Thank you in advance.

Stop worrying about shorting the final gasp of the bear market and start thinking about when you are going to long the bottom and how you are going to do it.  Much more profitable.

I have thought about this, thats why I said I have orders to buy 3 more coins at 2k. Thats all I can afford to lose. It will bring my total investment to almost 40k. I will not invest another dollar after that. All ive known investing in Bitcoin is a terrible bear market and its hard not to worry as early adopters dump on my face Cry, but thank you for the advice.

Im interested in hearing other Bitcoiners best argument(s) as to why the bottom is not in yet(i believe it isnt but hope im wrong). If you have one id love to hear it. If not thanks anyway.

5  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2019, 09:31:44 AM
Ok so Ive been invested in BTC since 2018 with an average cost basis of about 8k per coin. Sadly I dont see how we arent going to have at least one more huge move down well below 3k. I have orders to buy 3 more coins if we hit 2k. I dont want to sell rn but I am considering taking out a short position here. I believe in Bitcoin, but Im tired of so much losing in my first year Embarrassed

Could a few members help me out and post their best argument for why we already saw the bottom, or their best argument of why we are gonna have another big move to new lows.

Thank you in advance.
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