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1541  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
36    Viacoin    $ 1,025,940   $ 0.102594    10,000,000 VIA   $ 232,529   ?

36    Viacoin   1,651 BTC   0.00016509 BTC    10,000,000 VIA   374 BTC   ?
1542  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 12:27:29 PM
10m coins at 6k sat, now selling at 15k hmmm wait for dump or get in now? AGGGHHHH what to do

My honest opinion, wait and see what the miners sell it for in the first 48 hours.

There is no reward for blocks for 2.7 days


not so long, how many hour it take to reach 10000 block?

thanks
1543  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 09:51:30 AM
any innovations?

oh, forgive me, this is the last time i post this:



The Story of Viacoin



If there is something I have learned over the years, it’s that innovation is incremental and good ideas are usually built on the shoulders of existing, well tested and proven technologies. Bitcoin is a good example of this, weaving well seasoned public key cryptography and other mathematical genius with peer to peer protocols, stack based programming languages and proof-of-work.

What makes Bitcoin brilliant is how it unites existing technologies to make something completely revolutionary.

It is also interesting to note how it takes a few stepping stones to get technology right. HashCash was not the solution for digital money, but without it coming first, maybe the next step of Bitcoin would not have been thought of.

I began taking Bitcoin seriously in April 2013 and in July/August 2013 I read J.R. Willett’s Mastercoin proposals where he suggested using blockchain timestamping in Bitcoin to embed data according to a new protocol which could be used to effectively create a new coin within a coin. I found this intriguing but had some technical objections and I was quite vocal during the debates, examples here and here.

Without getting too technical, there is a concept called ‘blockchain bloat’ and it’s quite a political problem within the Bitcoin developer space (because the definition is open to interpretation), and there are continuous efforts to reduce it.

By October I decided I was going to address my objections by creating my own solution. However, I got pretty caught up in other things and then the Bitcoin bull-run took my attention and I became quite well known in trading circles. Then in January alone came Counterparty, another protocol designed to embed a new Mastercoin like protocol in the Bitcoin blockchain. This attempt was in my opinion much better and further inspired me to pursue my original solution, since this was a confirmation I was on the right track, but my attention was still taken up by trading and there was so much more excitement to come with the China and MtGox for the next few months.

I liked Counterparty and it was pretty much what I had envisioned myself and they have run with the technology and spent a lot of time building it out but they still didn’t address my main objections, they it’s further confirmation of the concepts.

So what were my main objections? Firstly, Bitcoin was not designed to be a carrier pigeon and although it’s possible to encode data within normal Bitcoin transactions, there are a lot of political objections to it. This matters a lot because the people who contribute to Bitcoin development can, and has already done things that restrict the use of Bitcoin for these ‘non-standard’ purposes. There are arguably ways to encode data that cannot be blocked, but the real question is, how feasible is it to build a system like this on the back of Bitcoin when you have no idea if the next release of Bitcoin will outlaw your code.

Most recently for example, when Counterparty published their papers, they committed to using OP_RETURN based on 80 byte storage only to find Bitcoin 0.9.0 prevents relaying of transactions containing more than OP_RETURN of 40 bytes! Quite a nasty surprise!

So ask yourself, “is playing cat and mouse really a viable option for a smart protocol?” Bitcoin will definitely continue to play whack-a-mole against perceived blockchain abuse. Despite all the benefits of building on an existing, well established infrastructure, it’s simply not safe to do so when that infrastructure can outlaw you at any time.

My next objection was a matter of speed. Bitcoin is terribly slow to confirm blocks. The target of 10 minutes is already too slow, and add variance and it gets a whole lot worse. And, 0-confirmation transactions are not safe as has been demonstrated (as they can be double spent). Who hasn’t found themselves waiting an hour at least once, just to get a single confirmation? That kind of latency makes it pretty useless if you wanted to run a decentralized exchange on top of the protocol.

It was clear as day to me from the beginning, that any such endeavour requires a separate blockchain that was not only faster, but friendly to the data embedding methodology. Namecoin chose this path for example to build out a decentralised domain registration system. But unfortunately, it seems some people have an almost religious conviction that they must use the Bitcoin blockchain come what may.

When I saw the whole OP_RETURN debacle unfold I promised myself I would wait and watch to see what happened and if anyone would do the right thing or let their inflexibility hold them back. I waited, and since no-one filled the void, I decided I would take the plunge.

So here we are, Viacoin is my solution: it’s a currency and store of value in it’s own right (symbol VIA); and has fast blockchain, 25 times faster than Bitcoin and further speedups may be possible in the future by changing how the network synchronizes blocks. There are some interesting research paper on the matter.

The Viacoin blockchain is completely supportive of OP_RETURN data storage and will remain so. Since there is a already tried protocol, I have shelved mine and we will use Counterparty as our starting point for ClearingHouse. I believe this is the best way forward because we know it works already and will be very easy to get up and running. ClearingHouse will have it’s own internal currency, called XCH.

So the roadmap looks something like this:

Bootstrap Viacoin distribution by presale.
Launch the Viacoin network.
Build out viacoin services.
Launch ClearingHouse using proof based VIA to XCH conversion process.
Build out services
In summary, Viacoin and ClearingHouse have been a long time in the coming. I would like to have been first because, well that would have been a lot cooler. However, the fact other projects came along with similar concepts tells me it was a good idea. All ideas are incremental, so it’s not a matter “who thought of it first” because in the end, good technology and usable systems is what matters. I would particularly like to thank Namecoin developers who really started the ball rolling for alternative uses for blockchain storage, and to J.R. Willett and PhantomPhreak who really got the world thinking about the next steps after bitcoin.

ClearingHouse can go a lot further, to develop protocols for decentralized voting, identity and reputation management, setup and exchange of multisignature escrow, “blockchain notary” and a whole host of other applications.

As with all new things, this could all go wrong, but believe we are in a much better place than if we had been the pioneers because we know it’s possible, it’s just more a matter of the implementation details. Viacoin presale distribution has been designed to give an early adopter advantage similar to that of Bitcoin, with equal risk of failure. Ultimately the market will decide, but I think there has never been a more exciting time to be in crypto, than now.
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1544  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 07:58:43 AM
if you pay more then 6k you are giving free bitcoins to the IPO investors lol. Just letting you know i thought it was obvious.  Roll Eyes
and there are like 20m coins i think. oh boy

we have give so many free bitcoins to nxt ipo investors.
1545  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 06:53:34 AM
Btc38 has listed via on their coin voting, please vote for it.
http://www.btc38.com/trade/vote_for_trade_en.html
Go go go, to the moon

We should ask bter and btc38 add viacoin directly.

they will add it.
1546  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 05:52:47 AM
Official logo?

so we can ask coinmarketcap list Viacoin?

i only find this logo:



do we have a better one?

coinmarketcap ask form:

link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1IZf5cBivam_93zENT_arFFuvWDidHGjWxoTMVmFSoWg/viewform?fbzx=-3578477918389769161

CoinMarketCap.com Request Form

1 What is the coin's official website?

2 Which exchanges is it traded on? List all that apply.


3 Please provide a URL that shows the total number of coins in real time.
Required. For example, Feathercoin's total number of coins can be found at: http://ftc.cryptocoinexplorer.com/chain/feathercoin/q/totalbc


4 Please provide a URL of the coin's official logo:

5 Please provide any other information that would be useful.

e.g. announcement thread links
1547  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 05:40:36 AM
Why viacoin?


Viacoin [VIA] is a digital currency similar to Bitcoin, but Viacoin is designed from the ground up and provides the backbone of a ClearingHouse protocol. In case you don’t know about the ClearingHouse protocol; the ClearingHouse protocol allows the building of fully decentralized exchanges, issuing of new currencies, asset tracking, betting, digital voting, and reputation management. Furthermore, Viacoin is 25x faster than Bitcoin. Viacoin utilizes block targets in 24 seconds and Bitcoin targets blocks every 10 minutes.

Viacoin is Proof-of-Work and there is no premine, no instamine, and ICO (Initial Crowdfunding Offering) is available! Viacoin is on three exchanges so far: Bittrex, Poloniex, and Swisscex. There is a wallet available for Windows and Mac OSX.

There is a lot of innovation in this coin and I can see it going far in the future. Viacoin is a excellent coin to invest in and is totally trust worthy. I cannot wait to see what the future holds for Viacoin.

http://cryptothrone.com/viacoin-the-future-of-digital-currency/
1548  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BPC] BitpopCoin | X11 PoS 7% | Hero Member Dev | No IPO/Premine | Ninja Launch on: July 18, 2014, 05:08:04 AM
hi

dev

we need bittrex.

let's make this happen.

thanks
1549  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 05:05:51 AM
How could this Scrypt coin make 600 BTC ICO... only because of this developer? I don't really see anything new here...



The Story of Viacoin

If there is something I have learned over the years, it’s that innovation is incremental and good ideas are usually built on the shoulders of existing, well tested and proven technologies. Bitcoin is a good example of this, weaving well seasoned public key cryptography and other mathematical genius with peer to peer protocols, stack based programming languages and proof-of-work.

What makes Bitcoin brilliant is how it unites existing technologies to make something completely revolutionary.

It is also interesting to note how it takes a few stepping stones to get technology right. HashCash was not the solution for digital money, but without it coming first, maybe the next step of Bitcoin would not have been thought of.

I began taking Bitcoin seriously in April 2013 and in July/August 2013 I read J.R. Willett’s Mastercoin proposals where he suggested using blockchain timestamping in Bitcoin to embed data according to a new protocol which could be used to effectively create a new coin within a coin. I found this intriguing but had some technical objections and I was quite vocal during the debates, examples here and here.

Without getting too technical, there is a concept called ‘blockchain bloat’ and it’s quite a political problem within the Bitcoin developer space (because the definition is open to interpretation), and there are continuous efforts to reduce it.

By October I decided I was going to address my objections by creating my own solution. However, I got pretty caught up in other things and then the Bitcoin bull-run took my attention and I became quite well known in trading circles. Then in January alone came Counterparty, another protocol designed to embed a new Mastercoin like protocol in the Bitcoin blockchain. This attempt was in my opinion much better and further inspired me to pursue my original solution, since this was a confirmation I was on the right track, but my attention was still taken up by trading and there was so much more excitement to come with the China and MtGox for the next few months.

I liked Counterparty and it was pretty much what I had envisioned myself and they have run with the technology and spent a lot of time building it out but they still didn’t address my main objections, they it’s further confirmation of the concepts.

So what were my main objections? Firstly, Bitcoin was not designed to be a carrier pigeon and although it’s possible to encode data within normal Bitcoin transactions, there are a lot of political objections to it. This matters a lot because the people who contribute to Bitcoin development can, and has already done things that restrict the use of Bitcoin for these ‘non-standard’ purposes. There are arguably ways to encode data that cannot be blocked, but the real question is, how feasible is it to build a system like this on the back of Bitcoin when you have no idea if the next release of Bitcoin will outlaw your code.

Most recently for example, when Counterparty published their papers, they committed to using OP_RETURN based on 80 byte storage only to find Bitcoin 0.9.0 prevents relaying of transactions containing more than OP_RETURN of 40 bytes! Quite a nasty surprise!

So ask yourself, “is playing cat and mouse really a viable option for a smart protocol?” Bitcoin will definitely continue to play whack-a-mole against perceived blockchain abuse. Despite all the benefits of building on an existing, well established infrastructure, it’s simply not safe to do so when that infrastructure can outlaw you at any time.

My next objection was a matter of speed. Bitcoin is terribly slow to confirm blocks. The target of 10 minutes is already too slow, and add variance and it gets a whole lot worse. And, 0-confirmation transactions are not safe as has been demonstrated (as they can be double spent). Who hasn’t found themselves waiting an hour at least once, just to get a single confirmation? That kind of latency makes it pretty useless if you wanted to run a decentralized exchange on top of the protocol.

It was clear as day to me from the beginning, that any such endeavour requires a separate blockchain that was not only faster, but friendly to the data embedding methodology. Namecoin chose this path for example to build out a decentralised domain registration system. But unfortunately, it seems some people have an almost religious conviction that they must use the Bitcoin blockchain come what may.

When I saw the whole OP_RETURN debacle unfold I promised myself I would wait and watch to see what happened and if anyone would do the right thing or let their inflexibility hold them back. I waited, and since no-one filled the void, I decided I would take the plunge.

So here we are, Viacoin is my solution: it’s a currency and store of value in it’s own right (symbol VIA); and has fast blockchain, 25 times faster than Bitcoin and further speedups may be possible in the future by changing how the network synchronizes blocks. There are some interesting research paper on the matter.

The Viacoin blockchain is completely supportive of OP_RETURN data storage and will remain so. Since there is a already tried protocol, I have shelved mine and we will use Counterparty as our starting point for ClearingHouse. I believe this is the best way forward because we know it works already and will be very easy to get up and running. ClearingHouse will have it’s own internal currency, called XCH.

So the roadmap looks something like this:

Bootstrap Viacoin distribution by presale.
Launch the Viacoin network.
Build out viacoin services.
Launch ClearingHouse using proof based VIA to XCH conversion process.
Build out services
In summary, Viacoin and ClearingHouse have been a long time in the coming. I would like to have been first because, well that would have been a lot cooler. However, the fact other projects came along with similar concepts tells me it was a good idea. All ideas are incremental, so it’s not a matter “who thought of it first” because in the end, good technology and usable systems is what matters. I would particularly like to thank Namecoin developers who really started the ball rolling for alternative uses for blockchain storage, and to J.R. Willett and PhantomPhreak who really got the world thinking about the next steps after bitcoin.

ClearingHouse can go a lot further, to develop protocols for decentralized voting, identity and reputation management, setup and exchange of multisignature escrow, “blockchain notary” and a whole host of other applications.

As with all new things, this could all go wrong, but believe we are in a much better place than if we had been the pioneers because we know it’s possible, it’s just more a matter of the implementation details. Viacoin presale distribution has been designed to give an early adopter advantage similar to that of Bitcoin, with equal risk of failure. Ultimately the market will decide, but I think there has never been a more exciting time to be in crypto, than now.
1550  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 04:09:45 AM

hi dev,
 how about tell every exchange platform,we do not want via been listed until we reach 10000 block.

then exchange platform have to wait your notice to open their exchange platform.

it's good for via long term development.


how do you think guys?

How about NO.  The exchanges can list any coin they want whenever they want.  The developer has no say in it.  Also why wait until block 10000 anyway unless you are waiting for miners and multipools to start dumping their coins?

Should i tell you the truth??

here we go:


hopefully we will have 200G scrypt(or 100G or more) hash pow.

then the total mining cost will reach: 200*0.85=170BTC per day.

we will produce 36000 via everyday.

so the mining cost will hit: 0.00472222 satoshi= 470K satoshi

but if we hit a exchange platform before we reach 10000 block.

then mining cost will hit 6k satoshi, minging hash rate can only reach about

2.54G!!!

only few miner will join us.

so do this dev:

hi dev,
 how about tell every exchange platform,we do not want via been listed until we reach 10000 block.

then exchange platform have to wait your notice to open their exchange platform.

it's good for via long term development.

how do you think guys?

. I should post this earlier.

too late now...but let's watch this.
1551  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 03:05:21 AM
Better let weak hands out. good for viacoin long term development.
1552  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 02:14:38 AM

hi dev,
 how about tell every exchange platform,we do not want via been listed until we reach 10000 block.

then exchange platform have to wait your notice to open their exchange platform.

it's good for via long term development.


how do you think guys?

How about NO.  The exchanges can list any coin they want whenever they want.  The developer has no say in it.  Also why wait until block 10000 anyway unless you are waiting for miners and multipools to start dumping their coins?

Should i tell you the truth??

here we go:


hopefully we will have 200G scrypt(or 100G or more) hash pow.

then the total mining cost will reach: 200*0.85=170BTC per day.

we will produce 36000 via everyday.

so the mining cost will hit: 0.00472222 satoshi= 470K satoshi

but if we hit a exchange platform before we reach 10000 block.

then mining cost will hit 6k satoshi, minging hash rate can only reach about

2.54G!!!

only few miner will join us.

so do this dev:

hi dev,
 how about tell every exchange platform,we do not want via been listed until we reach 10000 block.

then exchange platform have to wait your notice to open their exchange platform.

it's good for via long term development.

how do you think guys?

. I should post this earlier.
1553  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 02:12:17 AM
provenceday - I think I understand what you're saying but the exchanges don't listen - they just list when they want anyway.  I think just the anticipation from waiting would increase interest and price but I don't think the dev asking will change the exchanges minds.

no, they listed to dev for sure.

dev can send them a email for sure, and tell them not to open until we reach 10000 block.

we should wait for miners.

It's too late.  Poloniex have listed so I doubt it would work now.
ok. But better wait for miner. Nevermind.
1554  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 01:58:40 AM
provenceday - I think I understand what you're saying but the exchanges don't listen - they just list when they want anyway.  I think just the anticipation from waiting would increase interest and price but I don't think the dev asking will change the exchanges minds.

no, they listened to dev for sure.

dev can send them a email for sure, and tell them not to open until we reach 10000 block.

we should wait for miners.
1555  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 01:53:15 AM

hi dev,
 how about tell every exchange platform,we do not want via been listed until we reach 10000 block.

then exchange platform have to wait your notice to open their exchange platform.

it's good for via long term development.


how do you think guys?

How about NO.  The exchanges can list any coin they want whenever they want.  The developer has no say in it.  Also why wait until block 10000 anyway unless you are waiting for miners and multipools to start dumping their coins?

Should i tell you the truth??

here we go:


hopefully we will have 200G scrypt(or 100G or more) hash pow.

then the total mining cost will reach: 200*0.85=170BTC per day.

we will produce 36000 via everyday.

so the mining cost will hit: 0.00472222 satoshi= 470K satoshi

but if we hit a exchange platform before we reach 10000 block.

then mining cost will hit 6k satoshi, minging hash rate can only reach about

2.54G!!!

only few miner will join us.

so do this dev:

hi dev,
 how about tell every exchange platform,we do not want via been listed until we reach 10000 block.

then exchange platform have to wait your notice to open their exchange platform.

it's good for via long term development.

how do you think guys?
1556  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 01:39:12 AM
 
hi dev,
 how about tell every exchange platform,we do not want via been listed until we reach 10000 block.

then exchange platform have to wait your notice to open their exchange platform.

it's good for via long term development.


how do you think guys?
1557  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 01:22:35 AM
we are now at 4336 block.
1558  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 01:22:06 AM
Is anyone ming because there is no point as block reward is 0

better ready for this.
1559  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 01:17:43 AM
Dowloading stuck and takes forever make a new place for downloads this take forever.

Are you connected to any peers?

no, he mean the wallet download link is stuck.

because in china, you can not open any link related with Google.

upload the wallet to https://mega.co.nz/
1560  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: July 18, 2014, 01:09:10 AM
 Blocks 2-10001 = 0 VIA
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