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41  Other / Meta / Re: Should the forum stop advertising mixers? on: March 16, 2023, 07:34:23 AM
Should forum admin consider to stop all campaigns related to mixers?
The forum does not directly advertise mixers, and has banned the participation of mixing services in forum advertising auctions for a long time. The forum is likely covered by section 230 when it comes to what its users chose to advertise on their signature.
42  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Is ChipMixer a probable HoneyPot? on: March 16, 2023, 07:30:58 AM
I suppose with today's news, we can rule this theory out then? Unless they got tired and needed some funds to shore up some broken banks over the pond... tough news for a lot of people involved.
Well there was a lot of data recovered by the FBI, so who knows what CM will eventually effectively be.
43  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: ChipMixer.com has been seized. on: March 16, 2023, 07:29:30 AM
After getting more than 7 TB of data (I don't know what's in it truly)

Given how many selfies they include of him in the press release report at https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1574581/download, I'd wager a terabyte or two are just his own personal photos  Wink
The selfies in the criminal complaint ("press release report") were given to various exchanges as part of their KYC process.

7 TB of data is a lot for a business like ChipMixer to have. I suspect that some of this is a copy of the blockchain, which was potentially replicated across multiple full nodes. It is also possible that, for whatever reason, this guy was keeping some information about his customers.


He was caught by using Paypal, unbelievable. Chipmixer is done!
I am not surprised by this. As with the case with SilkRoad, CM was not a success on the day it started, and as such, I presume the operator didn't think he would be as big of a target as he eventually became. It is unusual for law enforcement to devote substantial resources into investigating crimes done on a small scale, and he presumably didn't anticipate how successful CM would eventually become. It seems that he became more careful over time, for example, by requiring customers to only access the mixing portion of his site via tor.
44  Other / Meta / Re: Please nuke this user with scam tool on: February 28, 2023, 07:11:24 AM

The forum admins don’t have any nukes I am afraid. You’d have to go to Putin or Biden for that but I don’t think either of them would start a nuclear war over a crypto scammer. The world went crazy without a doubt, I agree with that but still, we are not that crazy, yet.

I am sorry. Nobody’s nuking anybody here.
I am sorry mindrust, but the mods have an unlimited amount of nukes available to them. When a mod nukes a newbie, all their posts will be removed and they will get banned, all in one click.
45  Other / Meta / Re: Sleazy sex link sent to my pm on: February 27, 2023, 07:38:32 AM
You're lucky! I'm jealous  Cheesy
lol, I can assure you the person who sent the message is not telling the truth. I know it is unusual, but this is almost certainly an example of someone lying on the internet


The PM in question is spam.
46  Other / New forum software / Re: Ability to Block Users on: February 19, 2023, 08:31:50 PM
I do like PrimeNumber7's script concept and was wonder if that strips old posts out of a self-moderated thread? Or, is it only on new posts after the script has been implicated? (And, does it work if you're not online?).

It will review the entire thread and remove offending posts.
47  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Post your favorite Biden/Harris Memes here on: February 15, 2023, 03:42:44 PM
UP
48  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Crypto lender Celsius mulls possible restructuring amid financial woes on: February 12, 2023, 11:38:44 PM
If you held the 5000 token units, you would have the same claim as you previously did
I don't think you would.

You would no longer have a claim of 5 BTC, but a claim of 5,000 tokens. If the market rate for those 5,000 tokens is 0.001 BTC (given the market will immediately tank), then good luck convincing anyone that your 0.001 BTC of tokens is still worth 5 BTC. If Celsius somehow manage to transition to a profitable company (not exactly a likely scenario), then instead or paying you back your 5 BTC, instead they can just buy back the tokens for the going market rate, which will result in you recovering fractions of a penny to the dollar.
I think you are making a couple of flawed assumptions.

In Bankruptcy, Celsius will not be able to purchase their own debt, and the tokens in question would represent debt that celsius owes. Upon exiting bankruptcy, all debt will either need to be converted to equity, converted to new debt, or be repaid at a fraction (potentially 100%) of what is owed to debt holders.

While I agree that celsius debt tokens would likely initially trade for less than face value, I don't think it is realistic for Celsius to be able to repurchase large amounts of their debt at ridiculous discounts (that would not otherwise be possible) due to the issuance of debt tokens. Ignoring the above constraints, if Celsius were to start buying up their debt tokens in mass, the laws of supply and demand dictate that the price of the debt tokens would increase. Further, if Celsius were to buy up a lot of their debt tokens, it would be clear that someone is buying up a lot of their debt, however, if Celsius were able to somehow buy their debt tokens, they could also buy up their debt that is not tokenized, and they could do this much more quityly in private, which would allow them to buy at lower prices.

I would also point out that no one would be forced to sell their tokens at anything less than face value (except when Celsius were to exit bankruptcy).
49  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Crypto lender Celsius mulls possible restructuring amid financial woes on: February 09, 2023, 08:13:37 AM
To my knowledge, Celsius would not receive any proceeds from the sale of said tokens.
They don't need to. An example:

Celsius owes you 5 BTC. Instead, they claim that 5 BTC is equivalent to 5,000 CelsiusScamTokens, convert your 5 BTC debt to 5,000 CST, and credit your account with 5,000 CST. Celsius have therefore just profited by 5 BTC by erasing the debt they owe you, and instead paying you in a made up shitcoin they just created out of thin air. They don't care what you do with your CSTs. They don't care that the market for them will crash to almost nothing very quickly. They have erased the debt they owe you, and so they have made a profit. Bonus points for them in that by you accepting this settlement, you can no longer sue them or join a class action lawsuit against them.

That is not how I read how the token would work.

From what I understand, if Celsius owed someone 5BTC, they might convert that to 5000 token units, and give you 5000 token units that represent your 5BTC claim. If you held the 5000 token units, you would have the same claim as you previously did, but if you were to sell the token units, you would be giving up your claim and would be transferring the claim to whoever buys the token units.

Someone who does nothing with their token units would be in the same position as someone as what would have happened if Celsius had never issued any tokens. Someone who buys the tokens would have the same rights as someone described in the previous sentence.

I understand that Celsius would be unable to exit bankruptcy without satisfying the token units. This would be done either via Chapter 7 in which Celsius would redeem each token unit at the same amount, or via Chapter 11 via redeeming the token units for equity in the new company. This is the same as if Celsius had not issued any token.
50  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Crypto lender Celsius mulls possible restructuring amid financial woes on: February 07, 2023, 05:42:35 PM
It is already possible for creditors to sell their claims today, but the pricing is opaque and it is difficult for sellers to know what buyers are generally willing to pay for their claims. So this token would improve transparency.
If anyone at Celsius actually cared at all about the transparency of customers selling their claims, then they could equally as easily set up a marketplace to allow customers to sell their claims on the open market in a transparent way, all without the need for a centralized scam token. The only motivation behind this token is Celsius' greed.
I am not sure why you believe the motivation is greed on the part of Celsius. To my knowledge, Celsius would not receive any proceeds from the sale of said tokens.



Celsius is essentially a bank, and there are many banks that have a long history of being able to operate profitably.
Question is, how interested people would be in Celsius if they offered interest rate on par with banks, or even slightly higher? Add on that the increased risk of losing your money compared to banks and my guess is not too many. The only reason why Celsius was so popular is due high interest rate that was only possible by operating as a ponzi scheme and doing other shady stuff.
Bitfinex allows their customers to lend their various coins to the platform with the purpose of facilitating margin trading. The current APR for short-term BTC loans is 0.035% per year.

In order for Celsius to convert to a Chapter 11 bankruptcy, management would need to convince the bankruptcy court that emerging from bankruptcy as a 'going concern' would produce better value to creditors than liquidating its assets.
51  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Crypto lender Celsius mulls possible restructuring amid financial woes on: February 06, 2023, 06:02:40 AM
The tokens allow creditors to trade their claim against Celsius in a transparent way via an open market.
This does not need to happen via an open market. Celsius are liquidated, and the court assigns whatever assets remain between all creditors. Celsius adding a centralized scam token to this process brings little benefit for their users.
The benefit is that creditors would not have to wait for the bankruptcy process to play out. If someone needs money today, they can sell their claim by selling their tokens. It is already possible for creditors to sell their claims today, but the pricing is opaque and it is difficult for sellers to know what buyers are generally willing to pay for their claims. So this token would improve transparency.

If management can show the bankruptcy court that it can operate on a profitable operational basis, the bankruptcy court will likely allow for the case to be converted into a Chapter 11 reorganization case.
This is dependent on them convincing the courts that they have a viable operation to resume. And given that they were operating as a Ponzi for many months before declaring insolvency, that might be a difficult task
Celsius had mispriced interest rates for both deposits and loans. The likely reason for this was to prevent too many people from wanting to withdraw, so they could continue operations.

My understanding is that Celsius had a small number of one-time events that caused it to become insolvent.
Perhaps. But they also operated as a Ponzi for months while insolvent, lied to all their users, used users' funds to pump their shitcoin, all with Mashinsky making sure to cash out his own profits prior to the bankruptcy. They are rotten to the core.
Mashinsky would presumably not be running a new version of Celsius, nor would most of the high-level executives/management.

Celsius is essentially a bank, and there are many banks that have a long history of being able to operate profitably.
52  Other / Meta / Re: QR Code Forum Avatars? on: February 04, 2023, 06:15:52 AM
A QR code is effectively a string of text depicted as an image. In theory, a QR code can potentially cause whatever device is being used to scan the code to run arbitrary code on said device, however, QR codes are limited to about 7000 characters of text. If someone could cause whatever program being used to scan the QR code to escape any safeguards, access some website, and run arbitrary code on said website, then any code could potentially be executed via a malicious QR code.
53  Other / Meta / Re: Good move or nah? on: February 03, 2023, 09:15:02 AM
Nah.

Bringing minors, especially young children to the forum will not lead to positive outcomes.
54  Economy / Reputation / Re: SBF-Ross Ulbricht on: February 03, 2023, 06:13:26 AM
SBF is a talented person. Who was so talented that he answered all their questions in a video chat with the SEQUOIA company while playing video games. And SEQUOIA agreed to invest $210 million in his company. SBF was so talented that even a company like SEQUOIA Capital didn't have the guts to ask as investor why he was playing video games on a important meeting.  and When Elon Musk wanted to buy Twitter, SBF tweeted that it was willing to pay Musk $2-3 billion if he invested in FTX.  And FTX was the fastest growing exchange.
But unfortunately FTX became Bancroft overnight. Because when Binance CEO CZ_Binance tweeted that they will sell all FTT tokens they hold, investors panicked and started selling too. and  SBF company FTX was stored most of their funds through FTT tokens so meanwhile FTT crashed and FTX company eventually went bankrupt.

By all accounts, it appears that SBF is a very talented person, but that does not mean that he is able to break the law with impunity. Based on information available and accusations that I deem reasonable, it appears that SBF made some decisions that lead to FTX losing billions of dollars of customer money, and in the process, I understand that SBF broke laws.

RU/DPR also made decisions that led to SR1 customers losing money. Although the FBI seized all of SR1's coin, at the time, SR1 was shut down, I understand it was insolvent. This is in addition to the murder-for-hire issues that others have mentioned that RU/DPR allegedly was involved in (some of this may have been entrapment, however, I am not bound by the constitution when it comes to forming my personal opinion). RU/DPR was involved in drug trafficking, which ultimately leads to many people suffering, and dying.

I think both deserve serious jail time. SBF is politically connected, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him either get a sweetheart deal or the case thrown by the DOJ. I don't think it was an accident that SBF was spending so much on Democrats.
55  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Crypto lender Celsius mulls possible restructuring amid financial woes on: February 03, 2023, 05:10:27 AM
The token would exist to repay creditors, and would represent a claim against Celcius' assets.

Celsius is currently in Chapter 7 liquidation bankruptcy, the idea is that it would change to Chapter 11 bankruptcy and would resume operations.
That is trickery from Celsius.

Creditors don't want to be paid with this token. Creditors want another plan for Chapter 7, so this company can be finally liquidated, all the assets held sold and the profit given to creditors (in bitcoin, preferentially, or dollar) proportionally to their holdings on the platform.
The tokens allow creditors to trade their claim against Celsius in a transparent way via an open market. The tokens would eventually be redeemed either for cash in the event of a liquidation, or for equity in the event that Celsius emerges via Chapter 11.

There isn't a reason for Celsius to resume their operations, since it was proven it's not a legit business. What happened previously would happen again futurely, if they resumed operations.
This isn't something for creditors to decide, nor for you to decide. If management can show the bankruptcy court that it can operate on a profitable operational basis, the bankruptcy court will likely allow for the case to be converted into a Chapter 11 reorganization case. My understanding is that Celsius had a small number of one-time events that caused it to become insolvent. I also understand that it mispriced both interest on deposits, and interest charged on loans, although this was likely to prevent a run on the bank.

There are presumably already hedge funds, and other entities buying up claims from former customers, this token would make the pricing of the debt more transparent.
I still don't understand what is the point of having a worthless token as middleman on this negotiation, besides it being sole trickery from Celsius.

Hedge funds and other entities pay in btc, and btc is transferred to creditors. No tokens are needed on the process.
As it stands now, anyone buying up claims from creditors can do so without the creditors knowing with certainty what others are receiving for their claims. It may be hypothetically possible for someone to be willing to offer $0.25 on the dollar for claims, but will initially offer $0.20 on the dollar, and will make a subsequent offer of $0.22 before finally offering $0.25. An open market for tokens will allow creditors to have more information about how much others are receiving for claims.
56  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Crypto lender Celsius mulls possible restructuring amid financial woes on: January 31, 2023, 03:04:03 PM



Based on the article, (and based on how bitfinex handled a similar situation), it looks like Celsius would issue one token to their creditors for each dollar the creditor is owed, and creditors would be able to sell the tokens on the open market to allow them to quickly recover something. I might compare this to a "normal" company allowing its bondholders to continue to trade a bankrupt company’s debt on the bond market, except in the case of celsius, there was no existing market prior to celsius filing for bankruptcy.

Presumably, celsius would also use a certain percentage of its operating income to repurchase these tokens at face value periodically. The article alluded to Celsius becoming a public company, so it may also be possible for tokenholders to convert their tokens to equity shares in Celsius at some predetermined value.

Celsius shouldn't be able to exit bankruptcy until all the tokens are disposed of, either via being redeemed at face value or being exchanged for equity. Although at one point, the bankruptcy court may mandate that token holders accept equity in exchange for their tokens.

I assume that hedge funds and others are currently trying to buy up bankrupty claims from creditors at below face value, so there are advantages to allowing for there to be an open market for these claims.
Let's say they owe me $1000. So I will receive 1000 worthless tokens which nobody is going to buy for a single penny of dollar each, because this token doesn't have a practical reason to exist, besides scamming money from creditors.

The only solution was to sell all the assets and return the profit made to creditors in something with real price, like bitcoin or dollar currency. If depositors were able to get 40%-50% of their funds back it would be already considered a victory. Now I doubt someone is going to recover at least 10% of their holdings with this plan.
The token would exist to repay creditors, and would represent a claim against Celcius' assets.

Celsius is currently in Chapter 7 liquidation bankruptcy, the idea is that it would change to Chapter 11 bankruptcy and would resume operations.

There are presumably already hedge funds, and other entities buying up claims from former customers, this token would make the pricing of the debt more transparent.
57  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Crypto lender Celsius mulls possible restructuring amid financial woes on: January 30, 2023, 05:24:46 AM
Based on the article, (and based on how bitfinex handled a similar situation), it looks like Celsius would issue one token to their creditors for each dollar the creditor is owed, and creditors would be able to sell the tokens on the open market to allow them to quickly recover something. I might compare this to a "normal" company allowing its bondholders to continue to trade a bankrupt company’s debt on the bond market, except in the case of celsius, there was no existing market prior to celsius filing for bankruptcy.

Presumably, celsius would also use a certain percentage of its operating income to repurchase these tokens at face value periodically. The article alluded to Celsius becoming a public company, so it may also be possible for tokenholders to convert their tokens to equity shares in Celsius at some predetermined value.

Celsius shouldn't be able to exit bankruptcy until all the tokens are disposed of, either via being redeemed at face value or being exchanged for equity. Although at one point, the bankruptcy court may mandate that token holders accept equity in exchange for their tokens.

I assume that hedge funds and others are currently trying to buy up bankrupty claims from creditors at below face value, so there are advantages to allowing for there to be an open market for these claims.
58  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Crypto lender Celsius mulls possible restructuring amid financial woes on: January 06, 2023, 07:55:40 AM
Wow.  Let's see where this goes, but it surely shows the importance for customers to read the terms of service - especially if the terms of service describe that the customers are giving up their claims to ownership over the principle, but were they also giving up claims of ownership over the purported yields?  I suppose until they actually cash out, the customer is not going to have ownership of nothing.. even though it seems that there was more than mere speculating that was going on with regards to what Celsius was doing with the deposits.. but if the terms of service says that they can do whatever the fuck they want, then the court will side with their terms of service... perhaps?  I doubt this is over, yet.. and actions that were either fraud or bordering on fraud might possibly still be relevant, yet of course, the judge would have considered those kinds of facts that were to show fraud, if such facts were to exist and if such facts that show fraud were to have been materially relevant in making the ruling, right? 

right?


right?
The ruling really doesn't change anything. It essentially means that any coin deposited to Celsius is an asset of Celsius, while a liability of a similar amount is also created. In other words, depositing coin on Celsius is a wash, although if Celsius is insolvent when (or after) the coin is deposited, the person depositing the coin would be receiving a liability worth less than the value of the coin they just deposited.

But for New York's investors there might be hope yet, because the state of NY is suing Mashinsky now.

https://twitter.com/NewYorkStateAG/status/1611023481285578752?t=VhRfgMXeVW7S9IDb1F9jog&s=19

There's no hope. The NYAG is not going to be able to recover any substantial amount of money, even if she wins in court.
59  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Arrested In The Bahamas, Set For 'Prompt' Extradition After US on: December 31, 2022, 09:54:00 AM
SBF gets 250 MILLION USD bail: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/business/sam-bankman-fried-ftx-bail.html

Conditions of the bail: Confined to his parents home, passport revoked, banned from flying, is under constant monitoring through an ankle bracelet monitor.

SBF claims to have 100k USD in his bank account, but he has access to 250M in capital to post his bail. This is the largest pretrial bail ever posted in history. One might ponder as to how this clown who claims to be broke is able to secure funds for bail. Seems like his parents posted the bail using property as collateral, and we already know his parents got a lot of the FTX money funnel to them through extravagant purchases.

Maybe his parents should be investigated too.
My understanding is that the bail is not much different than a signature bond. His parents put up their equity in their home (valued at roughly $3 million), and some third party made some kind of guarantee. SBF stands to lose very little if he ends up fleeing the country to avoid standing trial, although I think it is likely that he will wait to see the strength of the evidence before doing so.
60  Other / Meta / Re: [solved] @theymos: get an exception from Cloudflare for scrapers? on: December 31, 2022, 09:50:00 AM
Allowing scrappers has already made all forum posts and other data freely searchable, so unless this will change, I see no reason to it implement an api for people like loyce. It would probably make sense to charge for said access
New access structure for loyce.club: Unedited post: $2. Viewing a Trust list: $2. Notifications: $0.50 each. Somehow charging fees for non-commercial community projects doesn't seem right.
Charging for access is common when some project is wanting to access a large amount of data. Commercial or otherwise, scrapers take up forum resources that are greater than the typical user, likely by a lot. Scrapers also have zero chance of even looking at any ads that are served upon forum users, which negatively affects forum revenue.
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