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701  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: what's next for Bitcoin? on: July 20, 2012, 11:06:23 PM
Amazon or another large online business accepting them as payment.
This. And, finding a solution that allows Bitcoin to scale to 1000s of transactions a minute. Once we have achieved this -> Finding a solution that allows Bitcoin to scale to 1000s of transactions a second.
702  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Genuinely Inspired on: July 20, 2012, 11:01:25 PM
All the people I know that have met or are friends with you Erik have all felt the same way so that is quite the endorsement as well.  Someone the other night said "I would trust Erik with my financial life."

I was there, and I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but I believe it was another Erik who was mentioned in that context yesterday ;-)

That being said. Erik Voorhees, you are a true inspiration to many of us, and I am delighted to have you among us.
703  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Automatic Coin Mixing Idea on: July 19, 2012, 10:43:13 PM
And the block chain grows at an accelerated pace...
704  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Nordic brings Bitcoin to 300M people in the Middle East and North Africa on: July 16, 2012, 01:38:26 AM
Godt gået  Wink
Nice to see good stuff happening in the Danish Bitcoin scene.
705  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] BitcoinSpinner on: July 14, 2012, 08:13:57 PM
Quick and easy question to save me some time trying..

Bitaddress.org can make an addy and a private key.. 

How would I go about making a wallet from bitaddress.org and importing it into spinner ?

obviously I have some ideas on this.. but would like to know the surefire way..

Thanks

Short answer:

You can't. BitcoinSpinner's "wallet" isn't designed that way. The one key it gives is all you can have.


Hmmmm..

So when I uninstall the program, and get a new wallet..  its not a new wallet ?

Because I've been doing this by restoring through QR code I've printed out..

Please explain further..

I am on the move, so short answer. When you uninstall/install you get a brand new wallet. More details here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53353.msg1024102#msg1024102
706  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] BitcoinSpinner on: July 14, 2012, 07:27:59 PM
I made a backup of the private key and it's been given in the format:

Code:
 bsb:(~44 digit private key here)?net=0

But this fails when trying to import into online wallets like at Blockchain:
Quote
Error importing private key: Unknown Key Format (key here)

Can it be reformatted to work?



No, that's not your private key.  You did a backup wallet, which gives you the bsb code.  You would use a QR code generator with that code and be able to use bitcoin spinner to restore your wallet.

To export your private key:
Settings > Advanced > Export Private Key

Thanks. I used the backup to restore into Bitcoinspinner and it seemed to work even though I have no WiFi or 3G connectivity.
So then I exported the key to the clipboard and wrote that directly into a txt file.
I then copied that into the blockchain.info wallet but I get "Unknown key format".

I'm using v0.6.0b but I can't upgrade it as I'm heavily firewalled.
As far as I remember you have to choose Sipa format when importing into blockchain.info.
707  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised on: July 14, 2012, 06:09:50 PM
(Jan tries to dodge the flames thrown by eWallet developers)

...flames...
Actually wouldn't MyWallet qualify?  Except maybe the user decided when to upgrade?
Yes. It is the most secure web based wallet we have. Ben did a really good job.
There are two things that stick out:
1. The end user does not decide when to upgrade the javascript that handles private keys.
2. The server has all the encrypted private keys.
I don't see a good way around this without an external piece of software running on a user controlled device.
708  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinica MtGox account compromised on: July 14, 2012, 02:20:33 PM
...
What we really need is independent auditing of exchanges, ewallets, and similar services. We need independent third parties who can affirm, on a regular basis, that these businesses have assets that exceed their obligations.

Joel, you are absolutely correct.
The hacks we have had over the last year make it vey plain that many Bitcoin users do not understand the security risks associated with trusting their funds with a third party.
I would like to see a list of Bitcoin services/software that meets some community defined minimum requirements. When someone asks "Is this service X safe to use?" the answer should be "If X is not on the list, then don't use it"

Services/software should be divided into categories such as exchanges/wallets/merchants etc, each with its own set of auditing rules.
Being a Bitcoin wallet developer myself I would be happy to have my code reviewed by a third party, and help set the minimum requirements for trusted Bitcoin wallets.

For Bitcoin wallets the list could look something like this:
  • Code that manages private keys must be open source
  • The source code must be peer reviewed by 2 developers from competing wallets
  • Private keys must only be used by software running on hardware controlled by the user
  • The user must be able to export private keys off a wallet at any time
  • The wallet software must have a well defined release procedure
  • The end user must be in control of when to upgrade
  • The people behind the wallet should be publicly known persons, so you can go kick their ass
  • ...
I know that this list will disqualify a bunch of eWallets (read wallets where you send your BTC to a private key that not controlled by you), but to be honest, I don't think that any Bitcoin company is mature enough to manage large amounts of other people's money.
(Jan tries to dodge the flames thrown by eWallet developers)
709  Other / Off-topic / Re: Look what I found... on: July 14, 2012, 06:15:28 AM
I just got issue #1 in the mail today. I have to say I'm very pleased. can't wait to show family and friends.
Same here, except I received it at my address in Denmark, and I am in California for another month  Embarrassed
710  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: BitcoinSpinner on: July 12, 2012, 10:41:36 PM
Interesting note. The Kindle has no camera. I can export the kindle wallet to my android phone which does have a camera but I can't export my older phone wallet to the kindle since the only allowed input the app expects is from a camera (reading a QR code).

As a temporary workaround, until BitcoinSpinner gets the function, you could use a QR code generator, like http://zxing.appspot.com/generator/ or one of these: https://www.google.com/search?q=qr-code-generator , hoping that its admin doesn't notice what is running through his system.

Fortunately it is unlikely that somebody looks at every text running through the generator, and it is also unlikely that somebody who does look at your string recognizes it as a wallet key.

Nonetheless you could move the bitcoins into a new wallet and abandon the old one as a precautionary measure.

Addendum: I overlooked that the above proposal does not solve the Kindle problem. I thought in the wrong direction. Please ignore, but make a note of the QR code generators. Sometimes they can be useful.
I think you misunderstood the problem. BitcoinSpinner on the Kindle can create QR-codes alright. No need to create the QR codes in an alternate app. However, it cannot scan them as it has no camera. Since the only way you can restore a backup is by scanning a QR-code you cannot restore a backup to the Kindle. that is, until I add a feature that allows you to paste in a backup string. You can already copy a backup string to the clipboard.
711  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: BitcoinSpinner on: July 12, 2012, 06:31:03 AM
I have a Kindle Fire and want to run BitcoinSpinner on it. It's not in the Amazon market.

I've searched for the .apk file and found one and was able to get it running but it's an older version of BitcoinSpinner.
Where can I find the .apk file for the latest version?
Oh, I didn't even know that you can run Android apps on the kindle.
I just uploaded the latest signed apk here: http://code.google.com/p/bitcoinspinner/downloads/list
Let me know whether it works.


Worked great. Thanks.

Interesting note. The Kindle has no camera. I can export the kindle wallet to my android phone which does have a camera but I can't export my older phone wallet to the kindle since the only allowed input the app expects is from a camera (reading a QR code).

Oh well.
Right. You are not the only one who has asked for the ability for doing a restore based on text input. Adding this to my list.
712  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: BitcoinSpinner on: July 11, 2012, 11:08:05 PM
I have a Kindle Fire and want to run BitcoinSpinner on it. It's not in the Amazon market.

I've searched for the .apk file and found one and was able to get it running but it's an older version of BitcoinSpinner.
Where can I find the .apk file for the latest version?
Oh, I didn't even know that you can run Android apps on the kindle.
I just uploaded the latest signed apk here: http://code.google.com/p/bitcoinspinner/downloads/list
Let me know whether it works.
713  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: BitcoinSpinner on: July 11, 2012, 10:02:57 PM
What is the difference between backup of the wallet (as a QR Code) and export private key (which is also a QR code)

Short answer:
The BCCAPI (which BitcoinSpinner is built on top of) allows you to create deterministic wallets using a strong seed. The stuff you backup/restore is the 256-bit seed that all keys are generated from. When you export a key you export an actual key generated from the seed.

The longer answer:
The BCCAPI server backend needs to know in advance which public keys to track in the block chain (this is a limitation imposed by the way the server backend is implemented  as it is built on top of BitcoinJ), so to do this it needs to know which set of keys are related to a given wallet.
To do that the BCCAPI manages two types of keys:
  • Wallet keys - Each wallet has one, and it allows you to add Bitcoin public keys to your wallet. This key is used when "logging in" to the BCCAPI server and makes sure that you are representing the wallet that you want to add keys to. This could have been done with a traditional username/password login, but there is really no need as we are already dealing with much stronger keys and have a place to store them.
  • Bitcoin keys - These are the traditional keys that you send/receive bitcoins with.
A wallet built on top of the BCCAPI has one 256-bit seed, and from that 1 wallet key is generated and one or more Bitcoin keys.
BitcoinSpinner currently only allows you to manage one Bitcoin key. This was a decision I made to make the app faster and simpler to use and manage.
So this means that BitcoinSpinner has one wallet key and one Bitcoin key. When you do a backup you backup the seed that allows you to generate those two keys again. When you do an export you only export the Bitcoin key.



I think I found a convenient way of backing up my wallet.

So after copying to clipboard, I launch my Pastee Droid app and paste the contents of the clipboard there.  I then set it to one hour expiration (TTL = 1 hour), and give it a password to encrypt it.   After it creates the secure paste on Pastee.org, I share the URL by sending a text message (to my Google Voice number, which I will archive). 

And that's it.  I now have a link for a URL that holds password-protected copy of my BitcoinSpinner wallet.   I've added that to my KeePass from my desktop. I suppose if I were a user of Lastpass that pasting the data there would work just fine as well.

Here's the Pastee Droid App:
 - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=byrne.utilities.pasteedroid

Clever. But have in mind that the password has to be really strong (ideally as strong as a 256 bit random string), and you have to remember it.
The first prototype of BitcoinSpinner actually based the seed on a password and salt. But I found it cumbersome and less secure, as people are inclined to enter short week passwords.

I do my backup like this:
1. Take a picture of the backup-QR code with my camera
2. Print it out on paper from my computer
3. Put the paper in an envelope

Having the backup QR-code on paper allows me to quickly switch between a savings and spending wallet.
714  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How is it going? on: July 11, 2012, 01:14:34 AM
recently found bitcoin spinner for my android google cell..

I like it the most..

I like the backup and restore functions, but they are not well documented.. 

Mind you Im sure its easy, but needs a tiny bit more..  Im hesitant to try it..

If you do not trust the backup/restore functionality try it with 0.1 BTC or ask some of the other 500 forum members who use it.
Back to topic.
715  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How is it going? on: July 11, 2012, 01:12:13 AM
recently found bitcoin spinner for my android google cell..

I like it the most..

I like the backup and restore functions, but they are not well documented.. 

Mind you Im sure its easy, but needs a tiny bit more..  Im hesitant to try it..

I am soon going on vacation and have been thinking about a small project to do. Now, my wife has declared that there will be no coding going on.
Reading your post gave me this brilliant idea. My project will be to make a BitcoinSpinner guide. I'll make a PDF that will link from BitcoinSpinner's Settings -> Help option. It will basically be a HowTo describing best practices on how to secure your coins using BitcoinSpinner.
I'll throw in a section describing my motivation to make BitcoinSpinner as a free service that costs me $130 to keep alive every month and countless hours.

 
716  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: BitcoinSpinner on: July 11, 2012, 01:11:17 AM
On single point of failure: If MtGox is down BitcoinSpinner will still work. The amount in your local currency will simply not show. I wouldn't call this a failure.
Right now MtGox is defining the market price as they have more business than the rest of the exchanges combined. I am not saying that I won't look into this, but there are other features that are higher on my list.

Having actually used BitcoinSpinner in real life to pay for real physical goods in a very hectic fast-paced environment, I would strongly urge you to make this a high priority. The amount of time it takes me to open Calculator and figure out how many bitcoins to spend, and then go back to BitcoinSpinner to enter in the amount, makes it difficult to justify using Bitcoins with this app. Not to mention it's also very unfriendly, which will put off people less enthusiastic about Bitcoin as I am.
Please don't get me wrong. Allowing you to enter an amount in for instance USD instead of BTC is a very relavant feature, which I am going to add. However, taking exchange rates from multiple exchanges into consideration is not high on my list.
717  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: BitcoinSpinner on: July 10, 2012, 05:26:26 PM
Still really need to be able to send/receive amount of Bitcoins based on value x in currency y.
Its cruzial to get mom and pops to use and accept Bitcoin.

And would also be great if you could make the current value based on more than mtgox.
Since its a liability that everywhere the value is based on a single point of failure.


What recommendations would you make regarding how to determine the value?


BitcoinSpinner could use the XChange project, which is designed to give a unified object model across multiple exchanges. It serves up Mt Gox data at the moment but I am sure there will be more in time. This would minimise the single point of failure as you could look up exchange rates at multiple exchanges.

Interesting, do you have a link? Is MultiBit using the XChange project?

On single point of failure: If MtGox is down BitcoinSpinner will still work. The amount in your local currency will simply not show. I wouldn't call this a failure.
Right now MtGox is defining the market price as they have more business than the rest of the exchanges combined. I am not saying that I won't look into this, but there are other features that are higher on my list.
718  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Putting your money where Pirate's mouth is. on: July 10, 2012, 04:15:49 AM
Sorry, I didn't get much sense out of your reply.
Anyway, I don't know where you live, but visiting Denmark on the way to Dubai is for most people not exactly on the route.
(BTW: Denmark is not exactly a continent.)

I live in San Francisco, on the western coast of the USA.  København is "on the way" to Dubai and India if you have to hit all three in a week. ;>

And as I understand it, the Euro is a currency that covers more than Denmark.

I apologize for being confusing.

Ahh... I am closer to you than you think. Mountain View is just south of SF  Wink
We do not have the Euro in Denmark, but we are part of the EU. Slightly confusing. The Danish currency has however been locked to the Euro for years, and before that to the German Mark. So we have all the trouble of not having the Euro, while none of the benefits.
OK, back on topic.
719  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Putting your money where Pirate's mouth is. on: July 10, 2012, 04:00:15 AM
Sorry, I didn't get much sense out of your reply.
Anyway, I don't know where you live, but visiting Denmark on the way to Dubai is for most people not exactly on the route.
(BTW: Denmark is not exactly a continent.)
720  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why bitcoin is in big trouble and is ultimately doomed! on: July 10, 2012, 03:18:27 AM
Atlas is back  Grin
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