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381  Other / Off-topic / Re: eMansipater and anarchism on: March 30, 2011, 02:15:32 AM
The problem with "popping out to Somalia" is that compared to what we're used to, of course it will be a poor place to live. Relative to neighboring countries, it has grown incredibly fast from being at essentially absolutely nothing, and is, again relative to its neighbors, a good place to live.

The only significant barrier to progress now is foreign government intervention.
"We're" quite varied--for example I've lived in two of its neighbours for a significant portion of my life.  That's one of the reasons it's so obvious to me that the wealthiest 5% of the world's quest for more resources is misplaced.  To put it bluntly, if you're drastically wealthier than most people in the world will be in your lifetime, perhaps more resources are a lousy way to be satisfied.  That about sums up my disinterest with resource-oriented political ideologies.
382  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin awareness on: March 29, 2011, 09:40:01 PM
awesome, thanks ryepdx!
383  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should All Promotions Of Bitcoin "Ponzi" Schemes Be Banned? on: March 29, 2011, 09:36:26 PM

It's your prerogative, just like the gentle nudge was mine Smiley .  I've spent a lot of time explaining to friends and family the specifics of pyramid and ponzi schemes, so I have quite a bit of empathy for people who find it hard to understand where the threat in them lies.  It's like word problems--yes, the average person can understand them if they spend long enough working at it with a patient enough tutor, but it doesn't mean they're not frustrating enough that some reasonable people will give up.


I think it's funny that when they're relatively simple (like the btc one) and pretty open about how they work people freak out.
Yet extremely complicated derivatives are totally fine and people blindly throw money at them.  Huh
Then we have what happened with the housing / economic crisis and they're still legit  Huh

Not that concerned just think it's ironic. I guess you put a regulating body in charge and license it and it's ok in the public eye.
I know, hey?  It's an unfortunate exploitation of a very common simplifying mechanism in human psychology.
384  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bounty for Bitcoin Animated Movie [13622.05 BTC ($2520) and growing] on: March 29, 2011, 08:29:22 PM
One comment, Justmoon--I know it's too late now for the original video, but saying that computers generate bitcoins is very confusing and the most common source of the concept that bitcoins are worthless.  Please be careful to explain in the technical video that the community has defined a set amount of bitcoins which are valued on open exchanges, and that bitcoins are rewarded to miners in return for processing transactions and increasing the cryptographic security of the network--in a highly competitive market.  This is the primary thing we need to change in explaining bitcoin to the public, imho.
Justmoon,

I'm sorry if this has already been posted or something elsewhere.
Could you (if willing) post or PM me a script from it.
I'd like to subtitle it (Spanish) and I'm guessing some others might too.


Honestly I could listen to it and write it all down in English then translate it but I'm guessing you have it already written and a copy & paste could save me a lot of work / maybe errors.

Awesome video though, made a pretty gimp donation but I'm broke  Sad
They've already been posted.
385  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Does WeUseCoins Deserves the Full Bounty? RETAKE on: March 29, 2011, 08:22:57 PM
I didn't contribute to the bounty until afterward, but if bounty contributors are looking for a community vote, my vote is:

Yay.

We do need a technical video, but they are going to do that anyways so we should just go ahead and give them the bounty.  Is my opinion.
386  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin awareness on: March 29, 2011, 08:17:00 PM
Related: r/economics is currently discussing bitcoin http://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/gdb2i/bitcoin_continues_to_grow/
Can everyone please pop over there and upvote my comment that bitcoins are not "generated by computers"?
387  Other / Off-topic / Re: eMansipater and anarchism on: March 29, 2011, 08:13:03 PM
The only way I could get on board with anarchy would be in a world that had addressed the internal change issue first, so I've got less than zero interest in anarchy theorists who aren't forging significant progress in that regard.

Perhaps not all people in the world are ready. I think I am. And want to seek out and cooperate with others who feel the same way. If only you'd let us try without funding the people who'll lock us up or kill us for trying. Theorising forever will of course get us nowhere. A lot of us are here because this technology gives us a chance to prove to you that we can do it. Look long and hard at what we are saying on this forum. Do you really consider us a violent threat to your way of life? A threat worth locking up or killing?

The internal issue is important. But we're never going to get anywhere if we're waiting for a uniform opinion on what it means to be human. If it means anything at all.

Isn't the non aggression principle a good start? Does it appeal to you at all?
In a non-sarcastic way, I do believe you should pop out to Somalia and give it a try.  If the governments I pay taxes to ever threatened to invade a functioning anarchism you can be guaranteed I would oppose it loud and clear.  Just like my taxes are only a portion of their budget, my input is only a portion of their decision process, but I tend to be quite effective at making my input at least as proportionally significant as my taxes.  In this case because of my personal contact with you I'm pretty sure I could reach a very large audience.

Personally, I'm actually working on the internal change issue myself--it's the foundation of all functioning societies regardless of how they are organised.  But specialising is good, and experimental anarchism would provide valuable data.  Just make sure to keep excellent records!
388  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should All Promotions Of Bitcoin "Ponzi" Schemes Be Banned? on: March 29, 2011, 08:05:25 PM
I'm actually quite a fan of your posts on here and I enjoy reading them, it seems they're really well thought out and researched.
This time I'm going to disagree on the direction you're going but agree with your overall statement if that makes sense.
It's your prerogative, just like the gentle nudge was mine Smiley .  I've spent a lot of time explaining to friends and family the specifics of pyramid and ponzi schemes, so I have quite a bit of empathy for people who find it hard to understand where the threat in them lies.  It's like word problems--yes, the average person can understand them if they spend long enough working at it with a patient enough tutor, but it doesn't mean they're not frustrating enough that some reasonable people will give up.
I honestly don't see why so many people have a problem with putting NSFW / Blackmarket etc etc in their own forums.
I think it solves both.
I am strongly in favour of this myself.
389  Other / Off-topic / Re: Politics aside, this first photo is just awesome. on: March 29, 2011, 07:23:17 PM
This is a pretty hard quote, regarding the protests in egypt:
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"First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the internet, so I kick-bombed the shit out of a riot truck."
390  Other / Off-topic / Re: eMansipater and anarchism on: March 29, 2011, 07:14:54 PM
I choose no government, where is the box for no government?  Grin
Antarctica, the abyssal plains, Luna, Mars...
None of which are practically accessible at this time.  But you forgot Somalia.  I'm not being ethnocentric and sarcastic--people in Somalia are just human beings trying to solve human problems.  I legitimately think anarchists should consider moving there and trying to do the same.
391  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should All Promotions Of Bitcoin "Ponzi" Schemes Be Banned? on: March 29, 2011, 07:13:26 PM
...I'm not in favour of rules banning the advertising of ponzi schemes because I think that goes too far.  However, I think the applicability of the "in-joke" that is full-disclosure ponzi schemes is naturally drawing to a close, and it's starting to be time for people to voluntarily reduce and eliminate their advertising of it....
I agree completely...
Care to lead the way?
392  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Governments and Bitcoin on: March 29, 2011, 07:10:20 PM
don't screw the existing one is all I'm saying, you can improve the functionality, or ease of use or whatever, but not it's basic nature.
I agree with you completely, my friend.
393  Other / Off-topic / Re: eMansipater and anarchism on: March 29, 2011, 07:06:23 PM
So is the social contract valid?

I like Molyneux's definition of the social contract.
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Geographical (country)

Unilateral (State-> citizen).

Implicit (Not signed/ formal)

It sounds like eMansipator does not favor the first or last aspects of the social contract, but perhaps the second.

Forgive me if I'm making assumptions about your world view, but I can't imagine it will be long before you abandon the idea of citizenship or the state altogether.

What is the state at its core? A monopoly on the use of force. The sole authorized provider of law and law enforcement services. Why not allow private entities to compete for those services as well?

It's actually the 'contract' part of social contract that makes it impossible for me to express my views effectively by saying "It's valid" or "It's invalid."  Societies function through the commitment of their members--that's a technical description not a normative one.  Regarding the state and force, it seems to me that the primary force in question is concerning resources through taxes and fines, and concerning liberty through imprisonment or possibly conscription--let me know if I've missed something key.  The reason anarchy holds little appeal to me is that material resources are way more irrelevant to human beings than most capitalists realise; and that a great deal of internal changes in people need to precede any increase in liberty for destruction not to ensue.  My perception is that for most anarchists it is the resource angle that drives their eagerness.  The only way I could get on board with anarchy would be in a world that had addressed the internal change issue first, so I've got less than zero interest in anarchy theorists who aren't forging significant progress in that regard.

As above, I don't think either simple answer will effectively explain my position.  Perhaps you could elaborate on what you're trying to find out, what you mean by social contract, and/or what specifically about it is most pertinent here?
394  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Best quote from Satoshi on: March 29, 2011, 05:05:42 PM
That is an excellent description of what bitcoin is and isn't.
395  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New wiki page on Bitcoin credit on: March 29, 2011, 05:04:54 PM
I think the web of trust is a key element here.  The pot could also enforce a minimum level of trust, or there could be parallel bidding for that in the same fashion as interest rates.
396  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Governments and Bitcoin on: March 29, 2011, 05:00:03 PM
@sortedmush discussion continued in Off-topic.  Any other questions about my own approach to anarchism and governments ought to be quoted and continued there.
397  Other / Off-topic / eMansipater and anarchism on: March 29, 2011, 04:59:14 PM
Diverted from Governments and Bitcoin:

Wrong bolding.  People have to commit to jurisdictions.  You're either in or out, but you can change your status without coercion (at some limited rate).  Otherwise this is just ridiculous--live in a country but then pop out if you're ever charged with a crime, etc.  Keep in mind some jurisdictions could be anarchist zones.

Ok, now we're getting somewhere. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you advocating the validity of the social contract?
Contracts are a lousy way to describe societies, since the primary way people enter into them (by being born) starts them off at a place where they can't understand what they're agreeing to.  Plus, I tend to think of contracts as a lot less cut-and-dried than most capitalists do.  There's no such thing as having a human being's consent to everything.  But increasing the amount of consent required to impact someone's life generally reduces harm in a society.
398  Economy / Marketplace / Re: CoinPal beta - Buying bitcoins with PayPal on: March 29, 2011, 04:17:46 PM
CoinPal now offers increased purchase limits for buyers with good OTC ratings (ranging from 10 to 120 BTC per week).  More details are available at the bottom of the purchase limits page.  Of course, people can still use CoinPal without knowing anything about PGP or OTC.
This is great!  For newcomers to the OTC web of trust, would it be possible to earn a few trust points through repeated purchasing?  I know I've used CoinPal relatively often since its inception, so as my initial purchases pass the maximum time for chargebacks that ought to be worth a point or two, no?

Definitely.  Eventually, this will be automated.  Until then, link your GPG account to your CoinPal account (as mentioned above).  Then PM me on IRC asking that I rate you for CoinPal orders
Cool, will do.
399  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Governments and Bitcoin on: March 29, 2011, 04:16:07 PM
Do you advocate the use of violence against me, for refusing to fund violence against you?
Nope--I'm only looking for voluntary participants ..  But people have to commit to jurisdictions
Doublethink much?
Wrong bolding.  People have to commit to jurisdictions.  You're either in or out, but you can change your status without coercion (at some limited rate).  Otherwise this is just ridiculous--live in a country but then pop out if you're ever charged with a crime, etc.  Keep in mind some jurisdictions could be anarchist zones.
400  Economy / Marketplace / Re: bitcoin groupon on: March 29, 2011, 04:12:24 PM
I have some travelling on the weekend, but I wanted to show you something before going away so here it is:

http://bitcoinity.org

I've implemented I think the most important part that is confirmation of forum accounts, and this very bruteforce basic wanted sites list. If you like playing with software that may crash at any moment, feel free to check it out.

Little problem is, that once I started coding I couldn't stop myself and now I want to add 100 things there :/1

Usability will be improved, currently I just focused on collecting data properly. I'll be very happy to hear about issues and suggestions. As for these already stated:

  • I guess I can add entering amount in bitcoins if you really think there is need for it (then I would recalculate their value according to some exchange everyday so that we have up to date total amount in dollars)
  • About open source, yeah well I think why not (no guarantees), I'm doing this for fun non profit, however I would prefer to build solid skeleton on my own, if there are any requests currently I think in many cases I may code them faster than it would take to cooperate with somebody on this.

PS. Looks awful as promised.
PS2. Fixing my english welcome.
Awesome work comboy.  Would be good to have url added to OP for newcomers to this thread.
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