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I'm currently selling :
Pedro's (xbtmusic) 1 Account + x3 Invites
HD-Only Account
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This guy of Darkhash have scammed me to. Beware
No make deals with him.
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Sad world we live in :\ Sad to see even adults of a website act like kids not holding what they say. If it say in terms it usually takes from 10 minutes to 12 hours, WELL then people should get paid, else it's ofc a scam. But very sad to see how people can be, it's not exactly fun for others to lose what they have worked much for (BTC, LTC, XPY etc). -If any admins of the website read this, I hope you are happy. You sick, worthless, twats, I actually hope you guys get arrested or get to die a painful death ^^ Btw I Baracked Yo Mama, Admin yesterday  if no one invests then they would stop doing this ponzi schemes.. they had investors but put it down anyways - thats the stupid part. That's how they make money though, how else? through commission, like taking 10% and when investors stop investing on their own. its actually not economical to end it prematurely, they would make much more money by letting it grow. |
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https://hashtalk.org/topic/25643/prime-controller-issue@BeardedCouncil said: @c2083977 said: @c2083977 said:
is everyone aware of the powers of prime controllers?
absolute control over what tx exist,
ya it wont be in your mempool, so no way of knowing if censorship is going on unless your a prime controller
control on blockchain forks and codebase,
they determine what the "majority" software wallet is and the "majority" blockchain
so yes we should be questioning the trust/centralization issue
not because we cant trust GAW, but because we cant trust big money and the powers that be
only crypto principles can stop them and GAW is breaking those principles
Edward Snowden revealed the depth at which they are willing to go, no law stands in their way. @BeardedCouncil said:
Can't be arsed to read 8 pages of argumentative tut, but did anyone point out that the guys math sucks? As the network grows, more Prime Nodes are needed, but the amount to be one goes down. The total allocated to PN is 50%, at 50 PN that is indeed 1% of all XPY each, but at 100PN it becomes 0.5% oh look all his points moving past that are invalid.
OP, I saw you spout some tut about people disregarding "proofs" well there are some logic and facts for you to adjust to. since there is no code yet for that scaling, i cant argue if that is true or not im arguing based on current known conditions there is also no code yet for the bidding process Pretty sure you're arguing out of deliberate ignorance actually. A quick glance at your post history is enough for me to end the discussion after this post. Stop making shit up. PN do not have authority to just wipe out an address or a transaction like you randomly spouted. They help propagate instant tx, so do Orions (when they arrive) and other features but a standard staked block can't just be erased. You have literally made this shit up out of fucking nowhere. You're full of crap. You've clearly not read the whitepaper. No intention to, no real understanding of any of the concepts at play here. By the book illiterate nonce sense from BCTroll, once again. You guys are funny. This thread is funny. It will be locked soon and you are on the verge of being banned. My spidey senses say so. Don't bother replying. Banned before he said that, I cant leave it like that, what a douche im not talking about whipping, im talking about censuring before they enter mempool and thereafter the blockchain https://c91475e716c8925e05c6-d2659d433205cf4410415f8dd63807af.ssl.cf5.rackcdn.com/paycoinwhitepaper.pdf6.2.2
Performing as the FIRST entry point of a transaction into the network
this guy sounds just like a troll, prima facie, no thought of his own It is sad that this is his response GAWCEO @c2083977 said:
the fact that prime controllers require 1% of the currency in circulation means that it would be almost impossible for any new party to ever get 1%, thereby breaking the prime bidding process, its fixed and flawed to only work for those who already have 1%. I would not buy in to a coin if you do not trust the makers. Oh and btw, I love Mint, ty for your work and its an honor to be in the same forum with you, keep up the great work! i am not a linux mint developer, my contribution was complaints on cinnamon crashing with AMD triple screen configuration on a side note, i wouldn't be surprised if GAW hired a few of these BitcoinTalk trolltards to distract and de-legitamise real concern/discussion this thread aint pretty |
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https://hashtalk.org/topic/25643/prime-controller-issue@c2083977 said: @c2083977 said:
is everyone aware of the powers of prime controllers?
absolute control over what tx exist,
ya it wont be in your mempool, so no way of knowing if censorship is going on unless your a prime controller
control on blockchain forks and codebase,
they determine what the "majority" software wallet is and the "majority" blockchain
so yes we should be questioning the trust/centralization issue
not because we cant trust GAW, but because we cant trust big money and the powers that be
only crypto principles can stop them and GAW is breaking those principles
Edward Snowden revealed the depth at which they are willing to go, no law stands in their way. @BeardedCouncil said:
Can't be arsed to read 8 pages of argumentative tut, but did anyone point out that the guys math sucks? As the network grows, more Prime Nodes are needed, but the amount to be one goes down. The total allocated to PN is 50%, at 50 PN that is indeed 1% of all XPY each, but at 100PN it becomes 0.5% oh look all his points moving past that are invalid.
OP, I saw you spout some tut about people disregarding "proofs" well there are some logic and facts for you to adjust to. since there is no code yet for that scaling, i cant argue if that is true or not im arguing based on current known conditions there is also no code yet for the bidding process Pretty sure you're arguing out of deliberate ignorance actually. A quick glance at your post history is enough for me to end the discussion after this post. Stop making shit up. PN do not have authority to just wipe out an address or a transaction like you randomly spouted. They help propagate instant tx, so do Orions (when they arrive) and other features but a standard staked block can't just be erased. You have literally made this shit up out of fucking nowhere. You're full of crap. You've clearly not read the whitepaper. No intention to, no real understanding of any of the concepts at play here. By the book illiterate nonce sense from BCTroll, once again. You guys are funny. This thread is funny. It will be locked soon and you are on the verge of being banned. My spidey senses say so. Don't bother replying. Banned before he said that, I cant leave it like that, what a douche im not talking about whipping, im talking about censuring before they enter mempool and thereafter the blockchain https://c91475e716c8925e05c6-d2659d433205cf4410415f8dd63807af.ssl.cf5.rackcdn.com/paycoinwhitepaper.pdf6.2.2
Performing as the FIRST entry point of a transaction into the network
this guy sounds just like a troll, prima facie, no thought of his own
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There shouldn't be a bot, a simple buy wall that's public should be visible
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there isn't a bot and Homero is just trying to fool people into front running "it". thats the point, he is making a public stunt to get people to move the market for him, he only gains from it, the people buying or selling into his walls average out as it moves up, buying low, selling high he cant lose unless someone bigger or an organized group breaks his walls, going down at a loss, so even then unsustainable atleast he wouldn't be able to push it very high, every factor you go up you need more supply by that same factor, not doable with assets he didn't get for free, unless he has that good of connections with a bank |
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So this buy bot/wall thing. does it move up automatically then? In other words, could redacted stop bitching and go play with the bot, i.e. buy the coins up, wait for the bot to move up, sell, repeat.
It's probably not that simple is it though?
he maintains both a buy wall and sell wall to pressure people into selling to him below market, thus gradually bringing the market up as he drains the sellers at each price point. |
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Ok, so the $20 isn't enough, they wanted to do some trading on top of that? Good grief... Definitely a fair bit of irony there. They had interpreted the things their own way and yelled at anyone who thought otherwise. I doubt this will change their attitude though. its just the lost opportunity of a few people, nothing that bad |
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they couldn't have dumped if you look at the blockchain
Well, I have to take your word for it, I haven't checked thus "tinfoil". Although SOME of the premine has to have been dumped by customers, and we can't really tell which coins are GAW's? not much of the 12000000 has been moved |
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i have been part of hashtalk community since august, i have large investments in zencloud
im being critical for a reason, i still think they can right themselves.
they just need to realign with the crypto-currency core principles and do what needs to be done to have trust, decentralization, provability down and do whats right.
I respect your optimism. But honestly, how much of that alignment with core principles have you seen since August? This thread originated at the beginning of August (link to the original in the OP) and many of the red flags raised there were never addressed, some were actually ridiculed and denied by GAW explicitly (like blockchain prood of mining). What im talking about applies specifically to paycoin, a crypto-coin is a community project, everyone looses when something isnt built right. I dont think they are a ponzi, i agree that cloud mining is not good, especially from a trust standpoint, but the US has a reputation for being a bad place to make scams/fraud, they take it seriously (exept for the big banks). Paycoin has all the right features and services to go mainstream, it just needs to be done in a way that continues with the principles required for crypto-currency to work. How can something withe purpose of decentralizing trust have central points of trust required. GAW needs to prove, using crypto technology and 3rd party web history sources, that they are not the only owners of prime controllers, thereby centralizing it. |
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It appears we wrongly persecuted Homero. We must now be punished for being shitcoin bigots.
i'll wait to see him buy those coins. it's not done yet If a lot of those idiots hodl then this ponzi will last for a while. but a promise of $20 per coin - hodlers would have to be blind, deaf, mute and limbless not to jump at it. waiting to see the small print, should be interesting. Tinfoil warning: Perhaps they already dumped enough of the premine, or are going to dump after this recent pump. This can be sustained for a quite a while if they can convince a sufficient majority of their customers that they're solvent to avert a bank run. Also no mention of limits in that "spread the word" post, so I would assume the weekly limit is still in place, otherwise why not brag about "unlimited". There is also that other post where it was claimed to have protection against arbitrage. Interesting indeed. they couldn't have dumped if you look at the blockchain |
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things i posted and got shadow banned for https://hashtalk.org/topic/25065/is-paycoin-decentralizedfrom the perspective of any critical thinking person looking at paycoin, GAW owns all prime controllers
think about it,
GAW paid 0$ for the paycoins for the prime controllers
No evidence of any investors existing
No wallet based bidding process has taken place
trust is core to crypto-currency, without provability of claims by GAW, paycoin will remain centralized
its not asking much of market makers to make them reveal their identity.
to resolve paycoin's existential trust issue, this will need to be done
each prime controller owner can sign a message with their prime controllers private key and post that on twitter with their company or personal profile to prove its not just GAW that owns the prime controllers.
here is a proposal for a future improvement/fork, involve voting of all stakers into selection of prime controllers so that it takes community satisfaction to be selected, not just big money. https://hashtalk.org/topic/25055/hashtalk-banninghashtalk will never become a crypto central or be taken seriously with all the censorship, banning and shadow banning going on
here is a suggestion, allow users to set minimum rating for expanded posts
by default you could have all posts under a certain rating collapsed, such as -5
require that users have 10 total reputation to be able to upvote or downvote others i was also blocked on twitter for saying @gawceo keep shadow banning people who are critical. that will make people more confident in you. i have been part of hashtalk community since august, i have large investments in zencloud im being critical for a reason, i still think they can right themselves. they just need to realign with the crypto-currency core principles and do what needs to be done to have trust, decentralization, provability down and do whats right. |
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It's funny that they have hundreds of thousands of customers who mined hashpoints and they were having 10 thousand new customers a day or something but there is only 6000 wallets and the top 100 wallets have 98% of all coins. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/#!richSeems legit its not going to appear in the blockchain until the users make a transaction out of zencloud |
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i know there is enough fools out there for paycoin to succeed despite obvious trust issues that go to the core of what crypto is about.
GAW almsot had it right, Paycoin with all the features and services they claim would be the perfect crypto to go mainstream.
They just need to detach themselves from paycoin, have it fully open source, reveal prime controllers identity and make the the market floor process transparent, what bank and how much funds, we ought to know what we should expect when investing, no one wants to invest in something with a misguided assumption of value.
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things i posted and got shadow banned for https://hashtalk.org/topic/25065/is-paycoin-decentralizedfrom the perspective of any critical thinking person looking at paycoin, GAW owns all prime controllers
think about it,
GAW paid 0$ for the paycoins for the prime controllers
No evidence of any investors existing
No wallet based bidding process has taken place
trust is core to crypto-currency, without provability of claims by GAW, paycoin will remain centralized
its not asking much of market makers to make them reveal their identity.
to resolve paycoin's existential trust issue, this will need to be done
each prime controller owner can sign a message with their prime controllers private key and post that on twitter with their company or personal profile to prove its not just GAW that owns the prime controllers.
here is a proposal for a future improvement/fork, involve voting of all stakers into selection of prime controllers so that it takes community satisfaction to be selected, not just big money. https://hashtalk.org/topic/25055/hashtalk-banninghashtalk will never become a crypto central or be taken seriously with all the censorship, banning and shadow banning going on
here is a suggestion, allow users to set minimum rating for expanded posts
by default you could have all posts under a certain rating collapsed, such as -5
require that users have 10 total reputation to be able to upvote or downvote others i was also blocked on twitter for saying @gawceo keep shadow banning people who are critical. that will make people more confident in you. |
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hello All, and good morning to europeans,
To summarize about hashpoints the only we know is than we will be able to buy some HASHCOIN with haspoints the 24 of november.
the 400HP owners mean you must have at least 400 hp to be part of it ??
Does this means than 1 hashcoin = 400 HP ??
yes, hashpoints are 0.01$ |
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My initial thoughts was the "major retail adoption" was the fact that they would have a credit card act as the middle man. So in-essence, the retailers aren't accepting hashcoin so much as they are accepting Visa/MC. There are countless other compaines bringing to market a BTC debit/credit card, which I personally don't see the point of.
However, in the timeline image, it shows Major Retail Adoption before Credit Card Purchasing. So are they implying that they will have major retailers on-board and accepting hashcoin directly? Seeing as how most major retailers are still dipping their toes into bitcoin, I find it hard to believe that hashcoin is going to have direct interaction with retailers so early on. Why the hell would walmart/amazon work with a no-name crypto, when they have yet to embrace BTC? Unless Josh plans on paying them heavily, which if your a multi-billion dollar company, i'd imagine you'd have to pay them quite a bit.
they are hoping that the liquidity they are bringing to maintain stability of the coin will attract merchants, CC is just an interim solution to having all merchants accept bitcoin or hashcoin. like any deployed software technology, you need to make sure you cover those on legacy systems to succeed. |
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