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1281  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: jika bitcoin telah menyeluruh di terapkan di kehidupan on: November 20, 2017, 04:53:22 PM
Hal itu pernah terpikirkan oleh ane dulu gan mengingat era digital yang semakin berkembang ,,namun kayak nya ada sebuah kendala untuk itu gan yakni besarnya fee pertransaksi kalau di rupiah kan menggunakan bitcoin..apakah mungkin misal ongkos gojek 10.000 lalu menggunakan bitcoin,, dengan fee sekitar 50ribu,,besaran 5 kali lipat fee dari ongkosnya jadi nya gan ..

Itulah mengapa beberapa perusahaan harus berfikir berulang kali sebelum dapat meng-adopsi bitcoin sebagai alat tukar pembayaran seperti rupiah.
Apalagi di saat bitcoin melonjak naik, tentu saja ada pihak-pihak yang diuntungkan atau dirugikan !
1282  Economy / Economics / Re: What happens when there is NO electricity? How does one trade with BTC? on: November 20, 2017, 03:40:29 PM
The lack of electricity is not only a problem for bitcoin. I guarantee that modern man can not exist without modern technology. All technologies require a power supply. You remember how the collapse was in America when the accident occurred electricity supply in the major cities. It turns out that bitcoin is immune from power outages.

Well that's the disadvantage of bitcoin because it's 100% being operated by internet.
So if your country running out of internet, there is no other way except move out through another place or country that still able operated internet.
1283  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: ETH or LTC long term? on: November 20, 2017, 10:53:28 AM
For long term investment I prefer ETH, not LTC which is not good for future investment, but everyone is very different, maybe for now I prefer to choose ET for long term investment in the future.

But remember before ETH , LTC was the first currency that able to compete on 2nd position for a long period of time.
As for now, LTC's trend is on downtrend and ETH take the lead, if possible, you can invest both of them but for me personally, I'm prefer ETH for long term investation
1284  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who is selling Bitcoin? on: November 19, 2017, 05:41:14 PM
As a seller :
I'm not sell out all of my bitcoin instead I'm sell it partially ,for every $ 1000 increment I sold it for profit or if I want a rush money

As a buyer :
I like to invest bitcoin  every month from my main salary because I believe bitcoin will worth more in the future !
1285  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin price speculation! you opinion if am wrong. on: November 19, 2017, 05:13:36 PM
By seeing bitcoin uptrend at the moment, it's reasonable so just hold your bitcoin and you will see the profit.
At the moment, bitcoin really make me can't think rationally why the heck bitcoin able reach current value.

I'm wonder... it's not like ordinary investment !
1286  Economy / Economics / Re: Are cyoptoeconomics changing economic theory? on: November 19, 2017, 01:25:24 PM
Well IMO they are different things and it can't be compare with fiat. Cryptocurrency become the first kind of it's type so they are the first born and unique. That's why more people or company become interest of this cryptocurrency and for the future, there will be more demand for this currency !
1287  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: ICO ban for the US citizens on: November 18, 2017, 09:43:13 AM
There is nothing wrong with governments passing laws it feels will protect its citizens. Whatever their motivations are, I feel regulating the ICO space is most welcome. There are just too many scams in the system, which is hard to tell. If these laws slow them down, then I am all for it.

AFAIK, ICO mostly lead into scam so that's why some government decided to ban Bitcoin.
Well just like my government still not legalized Bitcoin because Bitcoin can be used to scam people especially corruptor able to use Bitcoin as their advantage
1288  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Tanya Jawab Seputar Forum Disini/Ask about this forum here! on: November 18, 2017, 08:14:36 AM
Dev saya mau nanya contoh misalnya kita melakukan pelangaran contohnya ngepost gak nyambung dgn threadnya! apa kita langsung di ban atau diberi peringatan terlebih dahulu dan apakah bisa terkena sangsi juga?
Kalau hanya post off topic / tidak nyambung post tersebut hanya akan dihapus oleh moderator,jika sudah dihapus tetapi agan masih melakukannya maka itu keputusan dari moderator. Pelanggaran yang pasti kena ban biasanya copy-paste postingan orang lain dan spammer 1 line
berapa kali off topic om ? account ku kena banned ... activity n post jadi 0  Cry Cry

Saya akan beropini untuk 2 pihak / sisi :

Bagi pihak poster / pihak yang baru awam terhadap forum
:
Saat anda masuk, anda melakukan posting yang menurut anda sudah benar dan anda kena ban padahal baru pertama kali daftar.
Kedengaran nya memang tidak adil bukan ? Namun ini lah kenyataan yang harus diterima oleh poster baru.

Bagi pihak admin/moderator local :

Menurut saya, mod local pun serba salah karena harus melakukan moderasi terhadap akun baru ataupun akun yang pura-pura baru demi ngejar posting (Kecuali jika mod local bisa deteksi IP poster yang bersangkutan)
Kalau tidak melakukan moderasi, forum akan semakin dipenuhi spam tak jelas ala kadar nya.

Jadi jauh sebelum nya , signature campaign memang sudah ada ( 3 tahun yang lalu , sejak saya join di forum ini ) dan tentu saja spam / low quality post sudah merajalela. Namun tentu saja ada pihak-pihak yang ingin menjadi pahlawan agar forum ini bisa berubah menjadi lebih baik.



Jadi saya ambil benang merah nya :

kalau ingin tetap mendapat btc gratis dari forum ini , patuhi peraturan yang ada !
Jika tidak , ya hukuman ban akan selalu menghantui anda.

Tidak ada batasan jumlah off topic post / spam karena anda tetap akan diban jika membuat posting asal-asalan.

Tidak ada peringatan kalau posting anda jelek ? Pikirkan dari pihak moderator , berapa banyak akun newbie sebelum anda daftar di forum ini yang harus diberi peringatan akan tetapi tidak ada perubahan. ( sekitar 1000 akun kalau tak salah )
Ya mungkin itu akun orang lain tapi mungkin juga itu akun anda yang kedua ( pura-pura newbie ), tapi local moderator tidak tahu pasti dan akan terus melakukan moderasi kepada setiap pelanggaran yang ada !

Forum ini special dan menurut saya tidak sembarang orang bisa memanfaatkan secara maksimal
1289  Economy / Economics / Re: who own the world's biggest bitcoin wallet? on: November 18, 2017, 05:30:29 AM
It may be own by company or single person so imagine if the richest address want to sell all of their btc, it will affect on bitcoin value globally (mostly downtrend )
But do not worry , they will not sell it until bitcoin reach $ 100.000 which will happen on next 4 year !
1290  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin is more valuable than others coins? on: November 17, 2017, 03:57:36 PM
everybody wants to invest with Bitcoin and everyone wants it, so it's natural that Bitcoin is very valuable and looking for people because Bitcoin can make people get rich quickly.

Bitcoin is original currency and it's fit with people's need for who seek cheaper,safe, and faster currency.
So time past by, bitcoin become reliable and it's demand getting increase from time to time !
1291  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] VLB - The Ultimate Blockchain Fuel for the Vehicle Lifecycle Industry on: November 17, 2017, 08:18:40 AM
Enjoyed the video.
However at a certain moment you are declaring that the price of a token can increase from 0.50 cents to 17$ ?
On what basis did you do this calculation?
VLB Tokens help to reduce the costs of VLB participants (car manufacturers, car services, insurance companies, etc.) and help them to grow their topline. Some participants will be able to save more, and some less, you can see our entire analysis at the end of the White Paper, in Appentix A. The token's price will grow depending on the savings and growing revenues of each participant. For example, it makes sense to buy VLB Tokens for $20k to make savings worth of $30k. Since the system is fully transparent huge benefits brought by VLB Tokes can surge its price 50-100 times.

On what basis is your forecast for such a large increase in the price of tokens? While this spread is 50-100 times, it's just like guessing. If you burn out unsold tokens, then the price really can grow.

Let say if I invest VLB, will I got car assurance as the benefit of investation ?
Since the project is well explain, I think this project will booming and easy to interest new people especially when they want protection for their car
1292  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin UP BitCoinCash DOWN on: November 17, 2017, 07:10:50 AM
Everyone will see that bitcoin reach another record ! I'm really glad that I knew bitcoin and keep invest on it until now ( If only I can knew bitcoin earlier )
Sometimes I feel sorry for my friend who did not or want to invest although I've told them that bitcoin always make a green progress and now when they want to invest, bitcoin value already too expensive
1293  Economy / Speculation / Re: How high will it go? on: November 17, 2017, 03:44:43 AM
So as we all know bitcoin is hitting an all time high. But More thinking how high will this go before it takes a crash?

I'm thinking it may get to 9k - 10k and then drop right down to 7k afterwards.

Your thoughts?

My local trader said that it will reach $ 9000++ ( Red bar is his prediction )

So just keep hold it as long as possible or you will regret !

1294  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The hapiness of a green profit on: November 16, 2017, 10:48:52 AM
So guys, a little of us are always betting from faucet or tips, so our account is usually in red numbers, but is amazing when you have a lucky rush and your account become green, really feels nice.

 How do you feel with your actual account profit? are you green or red?

Seeing your account looks green is the closest thing that you would ever have close to a jackpot and knowing that it is on a positive flow would motivate you and gove you that feeling that what you are doing is worth it no matter how many red flags come your way

Yes, when people have a profit , people getting more greed to make more profit but it's natural things since human is a creature that never satisfy.
As long as they can responsible with that, it's fine so if you're in green profit , just stop if you have reach some profit before it's too late !
1295  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: demi bitcoin, undang undang keuangan indonesia di ubah!!!! on: November 16, 2017, 08:38:55 AM
perundang-undangan keuangan di Indonesia mau diubah dan bagaimana jika bitcoin dimasukkan? kalau saya rasa sih sebuah ide bagus jika Indonesia ini mensahkan bitcoin, tapi di satu sisi, ini adalah berita baik bagi para koruptor, karena jika mereka menyimpan aset mereka dalam bentuk bitcoin, maka KPK tentunya akan sulit untuk melacaknya,

Koruptor ga bakalan bisa berkutik gan walopun bitcoin disahkan di Indo, kenapa? Untuk menyimpan hasil korup dalam btc pastinya mereka butuh membeli btc tsb. Dengan asumsi koruptor pasti nominalnya banyak, pastinya mereka butuh verifikasi identitas sebuah exchanger untuk bisa membeli btc dalam jumlah banyak. Klo KPK sudah bertindak, maka KPK pasti punya hak untuk melacaknya. Dalam kasus ini contohnya si koruptor pake VIP, nah KPK pasti menghubungi pihak VIP untuk menanyakan alamat btc address yg diduga untuk menyimpan hasil korup itu punya siapa. Kalo sudah gini, vip pasti memberikan info lengkapnya.
Mengenai undang2 baru khususnya yg mencakup ttg crypto, pastinya ada plus dan minusnya. Tergantung bagaimana bunyi undang2 tersebut, ya kita tunggu aja kedepannya gimana.

Di satu sisi , permintaan bitcoin akan semakin meningkat yang berakibat naik nya harga bitcoin secara global.

Untuk verifikasi VIP , bisa saja sang koruptor mengelabuhi data diri dengan cara menggunakan supir atau pembantu untuk verifikasi dan koruptor bisa saja menggunakan akun tanpa sepengetahuan mereka ( Karena mereka orang desa dan tidak mengerti teknologi internet maupun cryptocurrency )
Jadi besar kemungkinan sang koruptor bisa menggunakan transaksi bitcoin untuk ke depan nya
1296  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Dark use of Bitcoin on: November 16, 2017, 07:12:57 AM
No. If people want to do that and they can go ahead and just wait for authorities to appear next their doorstep. It is already  proven that bitcoin transactions can still be traced so drug dealers can't make bitcoin hide their locations.

That is exactly the point. It is not just easy to pint point any one who are transacting the btc. Their maybe some clues and links from the addresses but im sure if you are a criminal, you can easily make some things to avoid tracking it to you directly.

That's why my government still not legalize bitcoin because bitcoin transaction is untraceable !
I think it's need some time for my government to legalize bitcoin in the future but for me personally , bitcoin really help me a lot for doing transaction that can't be done with ordinary fiat
1297  Economy / Economics / Re: If the powerful governments wanted to, do you think they could stop Bitcoin? on: November 16, 2017, 05:21:14 AM
Every government have their own opinion about bitcoin. And yes bitcoin is criminal money but if bitcoin consider as bad investation, why would Japan and South Korean's government legalize bitcoin ? Because bitcoin have their own advantage that fiat did not own.
And yes government also kill bitcoin by making forbidden policy against bitcoin usage !
1298  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is ICO regulation good or bad? on: November 16, 2017, 04:12:09 AM
i think using regulations for every ico project is extremely important, it helps even new people can follow and execute exactly, moreover it can keep that ico have a good model to follow step by step, not messing up or stop cheating from bad guys want much more benefits from normal person.

My government need some guarantee for preventing people getting scam so it's reasonable that ICO need regulation.
Bitcoin usually can be use criminal attempt so that's why my government still not legalize bitcoin yet !
1299  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 1.5 months left !! what's more to happen ? on: November 15, 2017, 05:24:34 PM
When I'm explain to my office friend about how good bitcoin really are , no one want to believe me at the first but after I'm show them bitcoin progress until now, they quite amaze and start to interest although they still afraid because my government still forbid bitcoin usage as main transaction.

But for me, just keep hold and Profit is on the way....
1300  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [ Ask ] apakah setiap Koin itu ada marketnya ? on: November 15, 2017, 03:35:55 PM
Mungkin belum ada gan marketnya, agan sabar aja dulu sampai sampai marketnya muncul

Biasa nya sih bakal muncul tapi tergantung seberapa jauh progress mereka untuk memunculkan token ke exchanger yang sedang dicari / diminati.
Jadi sebaik nya tetap pantau terus ANN token yang anda peroleh atau investasikan agar bisa lebih update duluan dan bisa jual duluan yang tentu saja membuat anda untung lebih besar !
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