I am against DT and I also have DT on my custom trust list.
Yes, you have become one of DT's biggest critics despite not having an understanding of why it exists, yet you still include it on your list.  That means you are a hypocrite & DT has value even to it's biggest critics. I don't think you're making the point you're trying to make. I think your understanding of why DT exists differs from the original intention. Care to tell us why you think DT was made in the first place? Do you have any idea why theymos made DT and now says he doesn't like at all how it works? I am not saying that DT is worthless. I am saying that it should be gone now. Obviously a top-down structure (once again) proves to not function as intended. Also, there are a high amount of critics of DT in the forums and most of them do not care about Meta section. I include DT, because it's such a strong anomaly that the whole trust system builds around it while that anomaly exists. This is why people who fully acknowledge the possibility to make a fully custom trust list, often do not do it. I also trust almost everyone in the DT1, so it's convenient for me to add DefaultTrust instead of writing all those users there myself. I can exclude DT1 users I do not trust. Now just figure out what means that DT is a strong anomaly in the trust system.
People should use custom lists and they should be encouraged and incentivized to do so. Encourage them: drop a link to Trust settings once in a while  That's not how a systematic problem gets fixed.
For the parsed format, check out https://anduck.net/files/bct_trustlists.txt. Also shows who includes/excludes who. |
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I count 3890 users with a custom trust list
This is very bad, worse then I thought. DT needs to go, so people can finally start using the trust system as it's intended. Either completely remove DT and start healing trust system slowly, or dilute DT which encourages people to make their own lists. That list also includes people who have Default Trust included on their trust lists. It is actually a good sign and shows that thousands of people are augmenting DT with their own alterations as advised. I'd disagree with your interpretation and say this is better than I'd thought. I wonder what sort of growth is happening with users augmenting their lists? I have DT in my trust list, and I use custom trust list, and I am heavily against DT. Fact is that a really really small portion of forum users have a custom trust list. Quite small amount of users know about the trust system in the first place, but even when that is so, 4000 users having customized their trust list means that users aware of the trust system are clearly not customizing their trust lists. The heaviest reason to include DT in the customized list is that there's no real reason to remove it as it was there by default. Another reason is that people want to have some sort of overview about what the view is for most of the users. People should use custom lists and they should be encouraged and incentivized to do so. There should not be a structure like DT as it skews the whole trust system. Of course people who get something out of it tend to not find any reasons to object it, that's largely human nature. It's exactly the same thing as can be seen in the politics, but maybe by acknowledging it we can be better than that? DT list is an anomaly in the trust system/network. Such should not exist, because eventually it builds up to be like any other top-down hierarchy as the time passes. I'm happy to see that the one (also being the only one) who can truly change this DT thing doesn't like how it works either.
I am against DT and I also have DT on my custom trust list. It appears that you don't get why it is so. Maybe I or others can help you out? Feel free to PM me. |
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Thanks, added the link to OP too. Also decreased ticket price to 0.0025 BTC ea. |
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Auctioning: Denarium 1/100 BTC physical coin, first series, serial L38. Coin is loaded with 0.01 BTC. Coin info: https://status.denarium.com/coin/#/15NGEXgmIncludes a certificate-like document. Shipped via national mail to EU/US (from EU). Shipping not included, unregistered is roughly $5-10, registered about $20. Auction ends on 13th Jan 2019 20:00 GMT. Starting bid: 0.01 BTC Minimum increase: 0.001 BTC. Bids in the last 30 minutes extend the auction to a maximum of 30 minutes after the last bid. No reserve. Pics:   |
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Lets pretend that you own 2FA coin and you are second owner.
One of the biggest issues here is that you do not have the physical coin (which is the real tangible thing in here) even though you say you bought it (with cash....). |
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I count 3890 users with a custom trust list
This is very bad, worse then I thought. DT needs to go, so people can finally start using the trust system as it's intended. Either completely remove DT and start healing trust system slowly, or dilute DT which encourages people to make their own lists. |
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Can you verify that he link leading to legit TitanBTC website? Also please look at e-mail source as "from" field can be faked. |
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Andrus who the fuck are you and why the fuck you requesting information from me ? Are you from TitanBTC ?
No I will not give you any screenshot obviously.
If TitanBTC request anything from me, it will be gladly instantly provided.
When you make a scam accusation, you should be able to show some evidence... You're claiming that TitanBTC scammed you and now you can't even prove that the coin 2FA ownership was transferred to you? If I were you, I wouldn't hesitate showing up some evidence to back my claims! |
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1) There is no physical coin transferred to me OBVIOUSLY after saying this for 5th time.
2) This coin ownership is transferred by only one possible way and no other ways.
Giving me the coin ID, giving me the coin 2FA, changing the COIN EMAIL to mine, Changing the coin password to MINE.
After ME having everything secured ( most important my coin password and my coin email) the previous owner is no longer owner of it because he cannot provide up to date coin email or coin password.
So obviously the person who cannot provide coin email and coin password is not the up to date owner.
And the one who have the full coin infos including coin email and coin password is the current up to date owner.
Did you have TitanBTC confirm to you that the transfer is complete? Ofc I have the confirmation email. What is that question. Will I claim that the coin email and password were transferred to me without having email as confirmation for that? Can you post a screenshot of that confirmation email? Blank all the private info. Also check extremely well the sender address of that email. Preferably show us the actual e-mail source (with blanked private info). This would help you, because right now there's no evidence. TitanBTC claims that they did not transfer the coin to you. Prove us that they did..? |
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1) There is no physical coin transferred to me OBVIOUSLY after saying this for 5th time.
2) This coin ownership is transferred by only one possible way and no other ways.
Giving me the coin ID, giving me the coin 2FA, changing the COIN EMAIL to mine, Changing the coin password to MINE.
After ME having everything secured ( most important my coin password and my coin email) the previous owner is no longer owner of it because he cannot provide up to date coin email or coin password.
So obviously the person who cannot provide coin email and coin password is not the up to date owner.
And the one who have the full coin infos including coin email and coin password is the current up to date owner.
Did you have TitanBTC confirm to you that the transfer is complete? |
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Ultimately I was able to communicate with the actual owner and verify both their identity and that they currently owned the coin in question, and the value was redeemed as intended.
This doesn't add up. 1) There was no physical coin transferred to you, right? 2) How was the coin ownership transferred to you? |
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The previous owner cannot provide full up to date infos to be verified as the current owner of it because only I can.
How was ownership transferred? |
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P.S: to Anduck. No matter is none of your business, your questions were answered. learn to read.
Sorry, but I don't see answers to my questions. Could you please answer again? I have a bunch of new Q's too if you don't mind. I'm trying to help you here. 1) Did you buy the physical Titan coin? 2) Was there a hologram in it? Was it intact? 3) Did you peel the hologram of the coin yourself? 4) Do you have the redeem code which is/was under the hologram? None of your business but feel free to read -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50937711) The metal coin not, the full infos about using it yes. 2) I had only the infos from it so I could take control of it and change email and password. 3) obviously no 4) I do have ALL the infos not only redeem code but coin id, coin password, coin email. Then you've been scammed. The coin is a physical token, that's the real thing. All the infos you've received are only part of the 2FA thing. The physical coin has a redeem code in it, which is needed to redeem it. Titan's 2FA stuff is not enough.. Can you describe the process of transferring this 2FA stuff (coin id, associated email) to you? Also maybe you can provide titanBTC the info you've received? Though likely all that info is fake anyway if you've been scammed.. |
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P.S: to Anduck. No matter is none of your business, your questions were answered. learn to read.
Sorry, but I don't see answers to my questions. Could you please answer again? I have a bunch of new Q's too if you don't mind. I'm trying to help you here. 1) Did you buy the physical Titan coin? Received it? 2) Was there a hologram in it? Was it intact? 3) Did you peel the hologram of the coin yourself? 4) Do you have the redeem code which is/was under the hologram? |
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2. 2-Factor-Authenticated - in which user's registered ownership on Titan's website and an additional ownership is required before redemption of the coin's BTC value
What exactly is in the physical coin? Just some code that you know, but nothing cryptographically meaningful? (If so, it's not really 2FA but 1FA...) I wonder why Pichotklasa can't answer simple questions like this: "did you peel a hologram and get the redeem code, or was it never in there". As I see it, it could very well be that the coin was sold redeemed without the buyer acknowledging that there should be a hologram in it... |
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Because based on the situation, he wanted to scam me for my money, and also use the value inside the coin.
Why you asking dumb obvious questions.
A scammer will always find a best way to scam.
And that's a double way of scam if he can do it.
Money from me, and if he trick somehow TitanBTC to sweep the coin without the email and password, he get double.
Which part is not easy for you to understand and why you need to understand consider you are not form TitanBTC and your understanding is useless for me ?
Yes he gaved me all the infos about the coin 2fa, I changed the password and email and secured everything except the physical bitcoin which is only a metal.
I already explained that few times.
You bought the coin knowing that the redeem code sealed by the hologram was not intact? |
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Ofc not, it was peeled because he gaved me the infos and promised me to give me the physical coin later.
But seems like you don't like to read.
TitanBTC claim only the person who have the full infos can claim the coin.
The previous owner don't have the email and password of the coin.
Also the coin appear to be funded on their website but I can't sweep it.
Waiting TitanBTC to answer
So you bought a peeled coin and tried to redeem it? I'm trying to understand this situation, but it's not too easy. The previous owner don't have the email and password of the coin.
Why did the previous owner peel the coin and then sell it as unredeemed? |
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There is 2FA on it, and it is registered to my email with my password.
Consider he's the one who sold me that coin, obviously it is the same coin.
Did you peel the coin yourself? Peeled the coin to access the unique redeem key under the hologram? |
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Guide me.
I was junior level member, but after merit system, I demoted to new level, Now last 3 months I continuously posting on many threads on bitcointalk, but still didn't get any merit, I read somewhere, that one you demoted, you cant ever get merit. Is that right.
How merit transfer, only user can transfer merit or bitcointalk give merit.
Guide me what I do to get merit.
Give me a few minutes, I'll give you a surprise  Update: There you go. Brutal. |
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