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41  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [6hrs lefts Auction] 1ozBitcoin Fine Silver ingot "Error" Prototype Low Serial ! on: December 07, 2021, 03:56:28 PM
1ozProto-1 : 0.006 BTC

I'll join you on that and go for:
1ozProto-2 : 0.006 BTC
1ozProto-3 : 0.006 BTC
1ozProto-9 : 0.006 BTC

42  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION ENDS TODAY] Kialara Silver Series 2021 'Exogenesis" #158 on: December 02, 2021, 09:03:15 PM

It is obvious that the payment was received, the BTC address was published right here, seeking recognition of that is something absurd. But if you need to read that: Yes I have received payment after all this drama that you have created yourself.
Before claiming the payment in 24 hours, you told me that you had already sent the payment YESTERDAY, before the auction ended?  I can think of many things, right?

To avoid problems, we will use an intermediary in the shipment to check the part and forward it to its destination.
MoparMining
you will provide the shipping address to the intermediary Moparmining
Make sure you are communicating Moparmining: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1478835
Do you agree with this CoinHeated?

I pay the intermediary fee

But you have to realize it is not obvious for me at this exact moment.  Because I did just get scammed, and even still, I just don't trust anything until it is said directly.  If I was dumb enough to send some scammer $1600 or so, then I put no trust in myself that I did anything else correctly.
43  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION ENDS TODAY] Kialara Silver Series 2021 'Exogenesis" #158 on: December 02, 2021, 08:34:39 PM


User CoinHeated says that he has paid, these are the messages, as you can see there is no payment in the address that I have provided:
bc1qaz7u2hly93lq09ap3xy4gh9u7q96kwcg4eerg0


https://www.blockchain.com/es/btc/address/bc1qaz7u2hly93lq09ap3xy4gh9u7q96kwcg4eerg0




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In the end, it is this post that I woke up to find that really got to me most.  Even going back and re-reading it, I'm just looking for answers, trying to find out what happened.  So I take this as a pretty serious attack, and since you were not willing to engage me at all in all of these chats so I could simply have sent you what the transaction proof was (even though it was wrong), you instead took it to public blast.  The most frustrating part, is posting right here by him, literally simply asking if he got the payment or not.  But instead of saying, I've not gotten any payment yet, let's work together and figure out what's going on.  I was simply told I had to pay again in 24 hours or I would be reported. 



CoinHeated, for the sake of yourself and the seller.

USE AN ESCROW

You are just asking to be scammed again for not using an escrow agent to facilitate the transaction.

Be careful and read my thread I wrote last week on this specific topic. I wish you would have seen my thread as that would have saved you from losing money.

Don't communicate deals off forum.

I would also advise not to continue contact with the scammer and especially don't send them them more money, you are only incentivizing them to hang around this forum.

My "Keep yourself safe" thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5372993.0




I've ALREADY PAID again.  It's done.

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44  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION ENDS TODAY] Kialara Silver Series 2021 'Exogenesis" #158 on: December 02, 2021, 08:21:26 PM
Hello CoinHeated,

Im sorry you got scammed, but I must ask.

When purchasing your Kialara why not insist upon using an escrow?

Why send the payment direct?

It sounds like you got socially engineered out of your BTC.

Can you elaborate on how this happened and who the user was that scammed you out of your BTC?

I would love to hear the whole story.


Here is the whole story from my side of things. 

First, I've been in IT for over 25 years, and I am normally excellent at catching stuff like this.  It's very literally my job.  This is the second time in my entire life I have fallen victim to a scam.  The first happened when I was 21 and to be fair, I was extremely drunk.  This time, I was completely sober, so I have no excuse.

In general, my life is pretty good, so being out $1600 or so is a solid slap in the face, but it isn't a knock-out punch.  I was still coming off the "high" of winning a different Kialara piece as well as another coin at the Scarce City CoinfestUK auction.  Christmas is coming up, and I'm buying a new house tomorrow, plus a million other things.  So I wasn't at my top game.  It was the end of the night, winding down after a full day.

I'm on Twitter, I'm on Telegram, and many other places, and all as "Coinheated".  I'm a scammers dream target, but a tough one to nail.  So, let me break down how it all went.

I get a message on Telegram.  I use about 7 different communications platforms all day long, and it is tough to keep track of who is on which one and where things are coming from sometimes.  The scammer just said hi, and introduced themselves as the seller.  We talked for a good while.  Their English was at a very advanced level, and conversation was smooth and good.  Not going to lie, I had a nice time talking to whoever that was.

It's my first auction here, and I really should have read up further, but I am a sucker for a deal, and it struck me as a good deal, so I went with it.  And we have the beginning of the setup at that point.  Whoever it was that scammed me, did their homework.  No joke, it was top level, and just in that simple fact alone, I can respect the effort that took to pull off.  I do not however respect the outcome or the person.

So, next a day goes by and I'm thinking all is good, then I get the "pay within 24 hours or you get reported" starts in, and I honestly have no idea what is going on.  Becoming a bit frantic, I start replying more than normal.  I never had a reason to post a lot before, so the system flagged me for posting and messaging too much for my non-bronze level membership.  I first waited the one hour to see if I could at least send out one more message before the end of the night.  Denied still after 90 minutes, I bought the bronze, thinking it would let me reply again.  I waited another hour.  Logged out, logged in.  Tried incognito, and I still had the message limitations in place, so there was nothing more I could do other than go to bed for the night.

Then, this morning, I wake up to find I got put on blast having all the DMs posted here, which felt like an attack.

So, I've come to realize I've been had, and solid, and then find I'm now under attack.  And the only thing I ever wanted to do is to figure out what happened, get some help perhaps, and get the whole thing straightened out.  Instead, I was only met with the demands of paying within 24 hours or get reported.

So now I had a choice, knowing I've likely been scammed already, I have about 7 hours before the 24 hour timer is done.  Since I got absolutely nowhere in the first 17 hours, I didn't want to risk hitting the 24 hour limit and being reported with such a brand new account.  My reputation is far more important than a few grand.  So, today, against my better judgement, I paid again.  I am still awaiting absolute confirmation from the seller at this point that he now has indeed received the payment.  Otherwise I just got scammed a second time.  eh, life moves on regardless.



To the scammer:
Not going to lie, I'm not even mad, you were REALLY good.  Good enough that I'll give you another 0.0005 BTC more if you send an email to scammed@youarebeautiful.org , and 1: admit it was a scam, and 2: just tell me why.  Any reason is valid.  Could be "I hate people and I will take everyone's money I can".  OK.   You don't have to include any personal info, and you can send it from any anonymous email.


And so now I am left in the aftermath of this.  If it was just that I got scammed, I'd be bummed, but would have moved on.  But the combination of first getting scammed and then pressured to pay within 24 hours before I knew what was even going on has been very difficult to deal with.  I'll be more satisfied when I know 100% that the seller was paid in the correct manor and in the correct time.






My rules are clear, but in this case I feel bad if he really was scammed by his mistake by not reading the auction rules, clarifying this.
I want to make it clear that I want to solve this as soon as possible, I have requested the user's postal address to be able to send the certified kialara

Waiting for a response from CoinHeated TO CLOSE THE AUCTION.

Thank you all for participating in the clarification of this unfortunate situation. I feel the offtopic

yes, your rules are clear and I am not blaming you one bit in the matter.  I was only trying to figure out what I had actually done, and what I still needed to do to correct.  But with the limitations of the non-copper account, I was literally forced into silence for the rest of the night until I was allowed to reply again.

Right now, I am still waiting for you to completely confirm that you have indeed received payment.  With all the fiasco of this, I'd like it to be known publicly that I did indeed pay the auction correctly, and in the specified time frame.

I guess I don't know how to close the auction if there is something I have to do to confirm payment further?

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45  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION ENDS TODAY] Kialara Silver Series 2021 'Exogenesis" #158 on: December 02, 2021, 07:01:02 PM
I sent you a private message requesting information to close the auction, thank you

I have replied to your PM
46  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION ENDS TODAY] Kialara Silver Series 2021 'Exogenesis" #158 on: December 02, 2021, 04:01:50 PM
I want to send you out something to soften the blow a little.

I do greatly appreciate that, and if you wish to do that, that is awesome, but not required.  A few grand in BTC isn't going to ruin me, but it is a lot of money to me.  I'm no TheMoonCarl spending millions on low res jpgs.  lol. 

My very biggest thing in all of this is the severe frustrations I had when this began, and being limited by the non-copper membership, and then being stuck for the rest of the night last night not being able to send or post until the copper membership finally took effect.

Again, my biggest thing in all of this that is far more more important to me is reputation.  And having my DMs posted publicly showing I've not paid within only 15 hours of auction ending was rather damaging. 



Would it not go to the next higher bidder? Though your offer is higher - I think the proper thing to do is to award to next higher bidder.
Agreed. That's why I wrote "bidder(s)", seeing the other is also a very new account and well... things tend to happen.
That being said I didn't want to steal away anything here, just with how things often go I tried to secure my place in line.  Wink

Looks like this is indeed a sad case of the bidder getting scammed, sorry for your loss @CoinHeated. Hope there is any chance to track the stolen funds. Good luck.
PS: Also got a Exogenesis offer via pm already, thanks!

Well, I've already paid again, so unless I got scammed a second time, this should be mine.  Funds are long gone I'm sure.  I care less about that than I do than I do my reputation.

I guess be warned though about the PM offer for another one.  Could be a scam.  Happened to me.  I was also offered other Kialara pieces.  The scammer sent me images of other ones they "had".  Thankfully I did decline those non-existent pieces.  lol  I only chose to get scammed one time this time around.

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47  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION ENDS TODAY] Kialara Silver Series 2021 'Exogenesis" #158 on: December 02, 2021, 03:40:40 PM
Hi Coinheated, I’m going to assume this is the same Coinheated who won the auction at scarce.city recently for a 2015 Original @ a sizeable sum... just seeing this all and I’m sorry you had this happen. I’ll contact you this evening at the email you emailed me at when offering to donate a miner to the tribe in Brazil. I want to send you out something to soften the blow a little.

Yes, this is me.  And I did pay that one as well.  Again, I'm bummed that I got scammed.  It's my own damn fault, and I'm not blaming anyone else.  I'm really just trying to take a breath and figure out what really happened in its entirety, and I just wanted to get EVERYTHING verified and trusted before sending another payment, but it was clear to me that there was no way to change this date.  It was stated to me multiple times that I must pay in 24 hours or I would be reported, period. 
48  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION ENDS TODAY] Kialara Silver Series 2021 'Exogenesis" #158 on: December 02, 2021, 03:06:26 PM
Curious - how did the user have your telegram?

same name as my name here. 
49  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION ENDS TODAY] Kialara Silver Series 2021 'Exogenesis" #158 on: December 02, 2021, 02:59:45 PM
You had a nice chat with the fellow because he was robbing you. First flag should have been thst the auction was not over - 2nd flag was that you were communicating with them outside of forum (I assume this because until recently you had limitations) all you needed to do was to share the txn id. I would ask - what did you receive and from whom did you receive a message with a different address? Or a link to communicate outside the forums?

There are scammers constantly watching these threads to prey upon buyers and sellers alike.

Yes, I get it.  Whoever it was, was very good.  VERY good.  I normally am in high-defense mode when buying things online.  It is entirely my fault I let this slip through, and I got took.  It's true that I am new member to this site, but I am a veteran of IT.  I've been lurking a long time, but never really posted before. 

As I mentioned, if I had just simply figured out that I was scammed, and was treated decently and had some help in figuring out what really went on, it would have been no problem on my end.  But instead I was met with a stone wall and a countdown timer.

So, now it's paid again, unless I've gotten scammed again.  And if so, I just can't pay it a third time, and I'll just have to get reported.




Probably should have waited a bit before posting DMs and I'm sorry to see you were potentially scammed.  Do you have screen shots of whomever told you to send them a payment before the auction even ended.  Did you ask them why they were requesting payment before the auction ended? 

I actually had a really nice chat with whoever it was.  Probably chatted for a good 30 min or more on different things.  It was quite pleasant actually.  And then to go from that, thinking everything was fine and good and everyone was happy to being put on total blast that I'm a scammer and am going to be reported and just general hostility and no help at all trying to figure out what really happened has been extremely disappointing.  It's bad enough to have sent someone the funds.  That alone I could get over with mild annoyance and lesson learned.  But to then be ostracized for not IMMEDIATELY making a second payment within the 24 hour period is far worse.  I generally have strong trust in the BTC community, and I do get that scammers are everywhere.  All I ever wanted was some help in figuring out what really happened, that's it.  My frustration was amplified in not realizing the limitations of non-copper members, so that took me a little while to get resolved as well.

Probably the worst buying experience I've had in a very long time.  Sad

And unless I need to send a third payment to someone else, I'm done, payment has been sent again, to the address listed in this forums, and verified and done.

Please can you show the screenshots of the scam
Why did you send a payment before the auction ended?

say which user contacted you to report to the moderators.



Well, that is part of the problem.  It came via Telegram, and it seems all info was nicely removed after the scam was over.  I'm only left with the lovely reminder in my wallet, along with the title I put in so I would know what that payment was for.  I have already posted that earlier now that I figured out how to embed image urls directly again (I just haven't had to do it this way in a decade or so).



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50  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION ENDS TODAY] Kialara Silver Series 2021 'Exogenesis" #158 on: December 02, 2021, 02:32:41 PM
and just because we are being so hostile here, here is the second payment I've made now to the "correct" address in all its glory:



Anything else I screwed up this time?



Probably should have waited a bit before posting DMs and I'm sorry to see you were potentially scammed.  Do you have screen shots of whomever told you to send them a payment before the auction even ended.  Did you ask them why they were requesting payment before the auction ended? 

I actually had a really nice chat with whoever it was.  Probably chatted for a good 30 min or more on different things.  It was quite pleasant actually.  And then to go from that, thinking everything was fine and good and everyone was happy to being put on total blast that I'm a scammer and am going to be reported and just general hostility and no help at all trying to figure out what really happened has been extremely disappointing.  It's bad enough to have sent someone the funds.  That alone I could get over with mild annoyance and lesson learned.  But to then be ostracized for not IMMEDIATELY making a second payment within the 24 hour period is far worse.  I generally have strong trust in the BTC community, and I do get that scammers are everywhere.  All I ever wanted was some help in figuring out what really happened, that's it.  My frustration was amplified in not realizing the limitations of non-copper members, so that took me a little while to get resolved as well.

Probably the worst buying experience I've had in a very long time.  Sad

And unless I need to send a third payment to someone else, I'm done, payment has been sent again, to the address listed in this forums, and verified and done.

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51  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION ENDS TODAY] Kialara Silver Series 2021 'Exogenesis" #158 on: December 02, 2021, 02:06:14 PM
Would it not go to the next higher bidder? Though your offer is higher - I think the proper thing to do is to award to next higher bidder.

OK, I'm NOT trying to back out of this auction.  I'm trying to figure out what happened to the payment I sent to the person that seemed to be impersonating the seller.  It looks like I got scammed.  I really just need to figure out what happened before sending ANOTHER 0.025 BTC to another wrong address.  I generally only HODL bitcoin, I literally have only sent to another person once or twice.





User CoinHeated says that he has paid, these are the messages, as you can see there is no payment in the address that I have provided:
bc1qaz7u2hly93lq09ap3xy4gh9u7q96kwcg4eerg0


https://www.blockchain.com/es/btc/address/bc1qaz7u2hly93lq09ap3xy4gh9u7q96kwcg4eerg0




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Miserable bastard.  Here is your stupid payment.  Thanks so much for not helping me in any way shape or form figuring out if it was really you or not that I sent the same amount to just yesterday. 


Payment sent.
d6a3760914e97de8d20644a2c9ceba45d04d2b30c40b99fc200ca50322576b57



and now that my copper membership is finally working, I can reply more than just a few times per day.  That was also an issue I was facing in all of this.  I LITERALLY could not reply, despite having bought the copper membership, it wasn't taking, so every time I tried to reply, it said I had to wait longer.

Here is what I sent previously, which I am now thinking is a scam, which sucks ass:




And sorry again, because it has been a very long time since I've used a message board where I had to do html inserts for posting a photo.  Another reason I wasn't able to reply better yesterday.

Serious about of hostility towards me on this, and I really don't understand why.  I'm an honest person and it seems I just got scammed.  Just trying to figure out what the hell really happened, and more so, document it to prevent it from happening to others.

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52  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION ENDS TODAY] Kialara Silver Series 2021 'Exogenesis" #158 on: December 02, 2021, 04:25:30 AM
Is it because I am too new that I can't post the photo of the sent payment?  I can't include it in DM either.  I'm starting to get the feeling I just got scammed.
53  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION] 1ozBitcoin Fine Silver ingot "Error" Prototype on: December 01, 2021, 07:49:56 PM
Lot 1 : .015 XYZo
Lot 4 : .0045 c
Lot 5 : .0045

Wow you want it all ! thank you for your bid !

Current high bid :

Lot 1 : 0.015BTC - XYZo
Lot 2:  0.0050BTC - XYZo
Lot 3 : 0.0045BTC - XYZo
Lot 4 : 0.0045BTC - XYZo
Lot 5:  0.0045BTC - XYZo

going to wreck this fun.  Lot 4 0.005
54  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION] Alpen Coin Bar "1 Million Satoshi" Gold Plated #18 🥇 on: December 01, 2021, 12:44:12 AM
0.016
55  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION] Kialara Silver Series 2021 'Exogenesis" #158 on: November 30, 2021, 04:54:58 PM
I'll go 0.025
56  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [ANN][WTS] Alpen Coin "1 Million Satoshi" Gold Plated Bar (B011-B100) on: November 30, 2021, 04:45:59 PM
Thank you for your feedback Blu. Was a stressful sale and production. But I really like the bar too.

I could only keep 1 for me. If anyone wants to resell one to me I would really appreciate.  Wink my DM are open.



Are they sold out now?  If not, I'll take one, but I'm thinking I am too late. 
57  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION] 1ozBitcoin Fine Silver ingot "Error" Prototype on: November 30, 2021, 03:21:52 PM
Lot 4 .0040BTC

Hey ! Hope you're fine ! thank you for the bid and good luck !  Cheesy


Current high bid :

Lot 1 : 0.0050BTC - XYZo
Lot 2:  0.0050BTC - XYZo
Lot 3 : 0.0045BTC - XYZo
Lot 4 : 0.0040BTC - dirtbike
Lot 5:  0.0040BTC - Dernoste

Good luck to everyone !  Cheesy


Lot 1:  0.01BTC
58  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [SALES] 1HoDLCLUB Copper BTC Poker chips [Limited 210 editions] on: November 23, 2021, 10:21:53 PM
Just one for me, want to leave some for others.  Smiley 

Will DM you payment confirmation, but it has already been sent.
59  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [SALES]1HoDLCLUB BTC & LTC Casino Black Membership - Limited on: October 27, 2021, 02:52:43 PM
Hi everyone !! all new paid order gonna be shipped this friday !

31 BTC Membership lefts on 70 limited  Grin



Just paid for mine now.  I'll take whatever number is available, no preference.
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