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It's you lie, I don't reject that we first have written unlimited amount of BTC because 20 BTC to mix is close to unlimited... I'm not sure people mix more per single mix It sounds like you don't understand the market you are in. Here's a ChipMixer deposit of 1,000 BTC I am aware of simply because we were discussing it an another thread: https://mempool.space/tx/1e7c498469369e90dfdd0c8258c6aa5325661553f441a2c6897d93b210f8ef67. There are plenty more such examples. Further, a balance of 20 BTC does not let you mix anywhere close to 20 BTC. Since we know now that you supposedly have a balance of 20 BTC, if someone were to deposit say 5 BTC to your mixer, then there is a significant chance that their withdrawal would be easily linked to their deposit due simply to matching the size of the inputs and outputs. I would not even be comfortable mixing 1 BTC on a mixer with only 20 BTC being mixed, which is hardly "unlimited". I understand market I'm in, 20 BTC is limit per mix not whole balance of the mixer I don't want continue further discussions here, some of the updates will be on main topic also for forum deposits. Keep tracking if you want |
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20 BTC was claimed, not from scamming
Lie. You claimed you were accepting unlimited amount of BTC mixing which later you changed as 20 BTC. Don't you think this two has a huge difference? This is a lie which once again proves that you are not trustworthy. It's you lie, I don't reject that we first have written unlimited amount of BTC because 20 BTC to mix is close to unlimited... I'm not sure people mix more per single mix 20 BTC was claimed, not from scamming
Lie. You claimed you were accepting unlimited amount of BTC mixing which later you changed as 20 BTC. Don't you think this two has a huge difference? This is a lie which once again proves that you are not trustworthy. Leaving neutral feedback is solution here
What about the retaliationary feedback against dkbit? What about relationairy feedback about Shaker.finance ? |
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Reminds me of AtobMixer.. However if they enter a wrong address then its donation towards our system and we pay tax and buy a bottles of wine and enjoy with the Russian girls with the money.
So please ensure the address is entered correctly or we are buying wine with the money received as donation towards our system.
I liked that.. Brutal honesty! If one wanted to start a mixer successfully one should start from a point of absolute honesty, be humble and willing to accept critique, try to understand that they do look risky and why they look risky.. “We are a new mixer, try us out, start small, remember us and check back in a year we will still be here. We take X% fees because we aren’t doing this for free.. If you screw up and loose your coins in our service and it’s your fault we’re charging you 5% with a 0.01BTC minimum to fix it because we aren’t doing that for free either.. We are doing this in the hopes of becoming a profitable business (plan, examples) Don’t trust just one mixer to clean your coins, use multiple.. Hide your inputs from CM and hide your outputs from us! Or vice versa..” Much better! Not “we have 50 BTC but can’t sign for it and I drive a $150k car (I totally didn’t buy from scamming) and are the most trusted in the internet even though we haven’t processed a single transaction yet”… 20 BTC was claimed, not from scamming, have other internet business, so your irony is basically - you've shit your pants now also, the red tag which Shaker_finance received is still not based on the fraud that happened. even though he has a sordidness language, this should not mark him as a scammer.
I answer you, because we both have on our trust lists to each other. I have not tagged him as a scammer, what I have said is that I, personally as a result of the responses seen in this thread (one of them includes boasting about unlimited amounts but not signing a message), would not have any kind of money deal with him nor would I put a single satoshi in his mixer, and that this is open to change depending on future behavior but, as of today, I wouldn't make any deal with him. The forum describes negative feedback as "You think that trading with this person is high-risk.".
And that's what I think, hence the feedback. Leaving neutral feedback is solution here, you can write that mixer is new and you don't yet trust it but will see after time OMG it looks like a kindergarten's discussion here...
On Bitcointalk, mixers are always criticized but never encouraged. Just look at all the latest topics about tumblers and who is posting in them. Some even think that if the domain name is 2 weeks old, it's a scam. They expect the admin to buy the domain name 1 year before creating a site lol. I have even see a person receiving a red tag for something he's not even connected .How crazy is that
This is also a trend in the whole "Service Announcements" section but mixers are more prone to it.
From the start, the problem was the way @Shaker_finance was welcomed. And it's the same reason why some mixers don't want to do a marketing campaign. At best, they make 1-2 posts to annonce their mixer and don't come back, or very rarely for updates.
Perhaps not the right way to do it but I understand how @Shaker_finance replies to people. If you create an unfriendly environnement, don't complain if you read unfriendly replies
As for the use of "trusted" and other, well I would say marketing. By the way I didn't see somone here complaining for all others services (no matter the type) that used "trusted' in their titles/text or whatever
I support that idea that first was unfriendly environment and only then rest of things. Those mixer mad skeptics don't help project at all you should understand it guys Looks like you are the only person out there who understands me, thanks for that reply |
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Those -3 negative comments won't help project as well but anyway if you want to swap negative trust comments I'm in
You really do not have idea how this forum works. If you had then you would not tell anything about swapping trust comments we know it as feedback. You are a brand new account and your opinion does not weight any value unless you prove it worth to listen. These users have years of experience and members admire them. Without clearing all doubts you can not make a name for your business because it has came this far. My opinion weighs, like any other forum participant, no doubts, yours doesn't, because it's not correct. I don't care who are those members, in real life they're for sure just bunch of losers and I drive car worth around 150k$ lol Actually negative comments swap is solution why not, at least it will have effect on their profile I didn't start that, they did |
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We already sorted out this thing I don't think there is need to discuss it further
In my opinion, you can have the best intentions and your business can be completely legitimate and honest, but the way you treat other members who have expressed their doubts, some of which are valid, is completely unacceptable from a business perspective. The first thing you should do is hire a community manager and let someone else handle that part of the work, since you don't seem to have the stomach for it. You may have a good, genuine service, but if you're marketing it poorly, or telling your potential customers a bunch of half-truths, they will get the wrong impression. The second thing you should do is find out what the people who are venting about your business are trying to tell you. Are they expressing concerns that could be addressed? Are they asking for more information on the subject that you haven't provided? Then take those concerns seriously and address them. It's one thing to shut them down and say that you don't care what they have to say; it's quite another to listen carefully to their suggestions and address their concerns. don't see the point for further explanations. I didn't like the community of bitcointalk at all, I have stomach to lead the campaign myself but not sure it's good idea. There will be topic with rare updates I guess and that's it. Sign campaign costs much, gets not that much traffic and it doesn't feel like advertising investment we really need now that's why I've written campaign manager to stop one Those -3 negative comments won't help project as well but anyway if you want to swap negative trust comments I'm in |
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@Shaker_finance Since you're already responding to "some" of the issues/problems, it'd be nice to see an in-depth explanation as to why do you think signing a message isn't really that safe? - If there's "really" a vulnerability, we can use your post to warn other users in threads "like this"!Sgning is not safe,
signing is not safe that's correct,
So when you sign you can't take those 20 BTC ?? WTF is this bullshit you are writing. You may sign and then easily take those 20 BTC same way.
I don't want further explanations to prevent other conflict. |
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Admitted your lie ? What the hell you are talking about, again some kind of bullshit lie from you. It's clear that if mixer just opened it's not yet trusted, we were discussing if signature that claims mixer trusted should be here or not and that was the question
No one admitted lie lol man you misunderstood. "Trusted and safe" is marketing slogan, everyone sees that mixer recently open, how it can be trusted ? Even kid would understand that it's not yet trusted, it's not lie, it's just evident thing that I write here. You should fix that thing on my profile because I didn't confirm any lie that's totally ridiculous
To lie is to say something false knowing it to be false. What you call marketing is lying. Answer me one thing. Why should we believe that your mixing service is "safe"? Is it marketing too? The word is next to "trusted". No it's not lying, trusted from our point of view but not yet trusted according to other users. We already sorted out this thing I don't think there is need to discuss it further |
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Twice in your two responses in this thread. I have not given you merit because I am out atm.
I had your back but with only two. Don't ask me the reason 🤣 Green trusted user vouching for shady siteThe answer is very simple. If someone is sure about the site is 100% shady then they should not vouch for it. I don't think Green trusted or no trusted user matters at all. Shaker_finance, you need a professional who can handle your PR. The temperament you are showing is not good for your business or safe to say for any business. Assuming your are not shady but your attitude is not helping. Yes that might be the thing I need, we will spread service on more forums and more advertising places soon and some kind of manager would be helpful..... Maybe I could hire Gianluca95 will see, actually need Russian speaking manager because part of the forums will be in Russian |
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not yet trusted but that's matter of time like I've said already
If I were you I would edit the Ann thread and tell the campaign manager to do it too, as you just admitted you lied, which doesn't go very well for your reputation. Admitted your lie ? What the hell you are talking about, again some kind of bullshit lie from you. It's clear that if mixer just opened it's not yet trusted, we were discussing if signature that claims mixer trusted should be here or not and that was the question No one admitted lie lol man you misunderstood. "Trusted and safe" is marketing slogan, everyone sees that mixer recently open, how it can be trusted ? Even kid would understand that it's not yet trusted, it's not lie, it's just evident thing that I write here. You should fix that thing on my profile because I didn't confirm any lie that's totally ridiculous |
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If that is the problem, then there is no-problem, the mixer have approached Gianluca to run their campaign here for them, they have told him that they are trusted and safe, and he has included it in their campaign thread Obviously they're not going to say they're not trusted and unsafe, but clearly they're not trusted. I'd expect a campaign manager to see through that, instead of copying the claim. Gianluca is endorsing the company that has hired him, that is why he has included "safe and trusted" in the thread In my book, it takes a lot more than getting paid to endorse a company. Okay let's go and change it to not trusted and not safe mixer lol and make signature campaign. Signature campaign is actually marketing activity and it's only aim is to get as many click as possible. And yes we want to become trusted mixer but it won't happen within 1 week or 1 month. It's matter of time |
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Check topic first, take a quick look at where you've tried to call me liar few times when I explained you on forum deposits and delete this liar message you've just created
I stand by my words. You are a LIAR, and everyone can see your speculations and insults for us 1$ Chipmixer members, that was talking about us looking from above like we are some gipsy beggars. If you properly did some research you could see that Chipmixers paid much more for their years long campaign, and they have been much more open than you. Let me conclude with claims I made in your topic: 1. Unlimited amount of coins ✔️ (letter changed partially) 2. Exploit forum link posted ✔️ (later removed) 3. 1$ lie ✔️ (Chipmixer campaign) I understand that you are serious guy trying to make 1$ advertising chipmixer with your signature but we can do good without your advice
But you won't even go and check it because it's easier to flame on my topic and get 1-2$ for advertising chipmixer lol...
1. 20 BTC amount is close to be unlimited per mix, you fail here, next 2. Exploit link posted then deleted because thread is awating deposit (What's wrong with it again  I reject that or what ) 3. 1-2$ not lie, it's price paid for signature campaign for full members for example and yes it's close to average price Your points are bullshit again, try one more time, my kiddo LIAR girl  |
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Just 3 days ago (4 days after Gianluca95 started the signature campaign), he left Royse777 the following positive feedback I really don't know why you are again involving Royse777 in this story, when other people also gave him positive feedback recently, like Hhampuz for example and one more manager... | | Hhampuz | | 2022-07-08 | | | | Trustworthy user that I would never doubt when it comes to deals/escrow business on this forum, as well as campaign management. Proven trackrecord of running campaigns/managing charity that helped out people with real issues during COVID and overall a good guy. A+ Forum member! |
When this site scams someone, which I think is quite likely to happen, will Gianluca95 take the fall for them and get tagged?
I didn't want to give any attention and feedback to Shaker Finance, but after doing some research and asking simple questions, they started with insults. Just to make it clear, I am not affected at all with words coming from other people, but I made legitimate questions, suggestion and his answer was insults. This is a clear red flag for me so I decided to give them temporary red flag as a warning to newbies to be careful with this website. I never said they are 100% scam, but they are high risk and everyone should be careful using this website for mixing coins. I am thinking of starting new topic dedicated for Shaker Finance, when I collect more information. On one hand, by saying you/me/us feel this site is going to scam, you are looking out for the communities safety. On the other hand you are being libelous and damaging that sites reputation without any proof the site has/will scam. So is it better to accuse and say sorry later? Or better to let a company be until they assrape someone for a huge chunk?
You are being a bit of hypocrite here because you recently gave Royse777 a negative feedback intentionally without having any proof, and claiming he didn't ''clean his name''. So if someone calls you a piece of shit and stupid retard that is not reason to think that some website is potential scam, but when you are constantly beating the dead horse with Royse, you can give him negative feedback... that is your logic. Check topic first, take a quick look at where you've tried to call me liar few times when I explained you on forum deposits and delete this message you've just created. Reasonable response to aggression |
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I don't think both case of Royse777 and Gianluca95 is same. Gianluca95 is only working as campaign manager though some things could be different and they must step up on such an issue. Gianluca95 should look at this case and decide whether or not to run the campaign anymore. So is it better to accuse and say sorry later? Or better to let a company be until they assrape someone for a huge chunk? I'm not sure. That's why my feedback is neutral. I believe the risk deserves a warning. I believe it too. This deserves a warning. Shaker Finance looked shady from the very beginning of their journey here. As I mentioned earlier, they are nowhere near to a professional business which the community must know to avoid potential risk. Have added neutral feedback too. It's only your personal dislike and the thing that you noticed couple spelling mistakes upon launch. That's it nothing else
What goes on now is that mixer tries to start working and some of the for sure weird participants of the forum don't want it to work because they think it's not worth to be trusted, without reasons, just simple judgement. I consider that absolutely abnormal, you may say that any mixer is not trusted because you only think it's not trusted
Signature campaign is more about marketing, yes we want to become trusted mixer and we make company to look trustworthy, that's normal. We ordered company for 1 month for now
To be fair, your responses to others have probably not helped your situation. This is not how a professional would want to act if they expect to be in business for a longtime. You are one more retard liar asshole. So when you sign you can't take those 20 BTC ?? WTF is this bullshit you are writing. You may sign and then easily take those 20 BTC same way.
If you don't trust - stay away and don't use mixer, no one makes you trust it okay
I don't care what you think at all and I'm professional until people start behaving way aggressive. All things were explained with pros and cons. We are open for questions but not when people behave that way. Toxic commentators are nowhere welcomed
I told you that we had topic opened, after few days it had gone for review until they get deposit, what's not clear here ??!!!!! You lie here only and try to interpret my words absolutely other way for some reason
You are piece of shit spamming on my topic, that's what is going on now, and yes I try to be polite with people but not with assholes
Okay don't use Shaker.finance mixer because it won't sign address but stop this bullshit flood on this topic
We don't want to argue with anybody but try to behave like normal people with normal questions, we are opened for your questions and explain things until you start behaving aggressive
Read pls from what it has started, what they wrote first and why I responded that way not another. I won't be professional when people try to call me liar without reasons, whatever [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged] |
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What goes on now is that mixer tries to start working and some of the for sure weird participants of the forum don't want it to work because they think it's not worth to be trusted, without reasons, just simple judgement. I consider that absolutely abnormal, you may say that any mixer is not trusted because you only think it's not trusted
Signature campaign is more about marketing, yes we want to become trusted mixer and we make company to look trustworthy, that's normal. We ordered company for 1 month for now
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You are one more retard liar asshole. So when you sign you can't take those 20 BTC ?? WTF is this bullshit you are writing. You may sign and then easily take those 20 BTC same way. If you don't trust - stay away and don't use mixer, no one makes you trust it okay And yes once again - I try to be polite with people when they ask reasonable, normal questions but not when they start writing insults, flame and behave the way you can see on my topic.... More info on wether your personal dislike matters can be found here -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5406629.0Guys stop this flame on my topic, that doesn't help project, that doesn't help anyone. Just ask really specific questions, share your usage experience etc, enough flame, if you want to flame create other topic and do it here |
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We are open for questions but not when people behave that way.
You are open for questions. Okay. Let me start from the begining. Do you have enough fund to allow people mix 20 BTC? Please be straight forward on your answer. Also, if you have 20 BTC, how do people know that? How do they trust you? All these questions are toxic to the people who are not planning to operate the business actually. I really hope that you are here with business purpose, not for scam but I doubt that since you are not behaving/acting in a way which shows some trustworthiness. Read again what I've written before, I've mentioned forum deposits that we are gonna place soon around 40k$, trust or not - up to you, we don't make anyone trust |
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We don't want to argue with anybody but try to behave like normal people with normal questions, we are opened for your questions and explain things until you start behaving aggressive
Before starting a business, you should learn to be professional. I have told you that you have few spelling mistakes in the website, there are still few mistakes I can see. You could provide a signed message from an address which have the balance of maximum amount allowed for mixing in your website. In this way, you could increase the trustworthiness. You are not the first mixer who denied to sign a message, you are not the first mixer which have been asked to sign a message. I have seen other mixing threads where community asked for signed message and they provide signed message. This mixer still exists for years and have no bad reputation. You didn’t follow anything, nor you have behaved professionally with forum user. I don't think your mixer is a good one, nor would I recommend to anyone to use this. I don't care what you think at all and I'm professional until people start behaving way aggressive. All things were explained with pros and cons. We are open for questions but not when people behave that way. Toxic commentators are nowhere welcomed |
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I posted link that we're on exploit, topic was opened then moderators leaved it for review until deposit is sent. So only you lie here I lied about what exactly?! You just publicly confirmed eveything I said, and you had that link for exploit forum. But you won't even go and check it because it's easier to flame on my topic and get 1-2$ for advertising chipmixer lol...
One more lie coming from you. I did check exploit forum that is why I could ask you that question, and Chipmixer is not paying 1-2$ for advertisement, so please do your own research before posting some crap like this. I am considering Shaker finance mixer to be high risk and potential scam, until proven otherwise. I told you that we had topic opened, after few days it had gone for review until they get deposit, what's not clear here ??!!!!! You lie here only and try to interpret my words absolutely other way for some reason You are piece of shit spamming on my topic, that's what is going on now, and yes I try to be polite with people but not with assholes Okay don't use Shaker.finance mixer because it won't sign address but stop this bullshit flood on this topic We don't want to argue with anybody but try to behave like normal people with normal questions, we are opened for your questions and explain things until you start behaving aggressive |
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We are not on exploit yet, they asked for deposit and we still arranging that, once we have deposit will be reopened. I also have profile on exploit since 2016 I am sure that I saw Bitcointalk and Exploit forum links posted on your website (Exploit is now removed) and you already posted your jabber exploit contact before, so it looks someone is lying here. This was posted by you on July 4: In case you have questions related to mixing pm or write to jabber shakerfinance@exploit.im (preferred jabber, not always on forum) Speaking for exploit, if you think it's not trusted that doesn't mean it's not trusted, people have 0.5-1 mln $ deposits here, you may register and take a look yourself. If you don't understand something that doesn't mean this doesn't work or doesn't exist
I don't trust something if I can't verify it, especially when we are talking about Bitcoin. You can deposit all your coins to ''trusted centralized exchanges'' and you could still lose it, let alone some russian forum that is dealing with exploited information. I offer doing next way to stop this discussion because I don't like it: we wait until funds are deposited on forums, someone of people who has accounts on forums for example exploit, xss, wwh or other and who is trusted here proves deposits are real and legit and that's it, enough for proofs. I can't say how much time to wait, summer at the moment and part of the team at the vacations. Will be deposited around 30k$ for sure, maybe more I don't know how anyone can prove that $30k (currently only around 1.4 BTC) is really deposited to forum owners... I guess they would have to trust their scout's honour word. You can do anything you like, it's your business, like it or not. Signing is useless either because any time mixer owner is able to do scam exit and all your signing won't help, otherwise in case you have deposits you will loose them
And $30k held by some forum owners will help? Please give me a break... Signing your address is not some magical trick that prevents scam, it's just a way to proved that you really own enough Bitcoin at the moment. I posted link that we're on exploit, topic was opened then moderators leaved it for review until deposit is sent. So only you lie here, I say how it works 30k$ held by some trusted forum will help, you can go for arbitrage and receive those 30k$, that's what for forum deposits are used. But you won't even go and check it because it's easier to flame on my topic and get 1-2$ for advertising chipmixer lol... Enough talks here, find someone who is from exploit or xss and who have trusted acc here and ask them wether those forums deposits value or not |
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By the way: we claim 20 BTC not unlimited
You claimed unlimited amount before, but later your changed it and lowered amount after your received feedback and suspicions from me and other members. Now you changed it to 20 BTC in first part of post, but below for reasons you still say there are No limits for max amount, even now. Here is archive of you post: Minimum mixing amount is 0.005 BTC, maximum - any
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Unlimited max amount: Send any amount and mixing will go smoothly
https://ninjastic.space/post/60503669Probably in your world there is no thing like forum deposits, no lie. There are trusted forums like exploit, xss and others that have them, you most probably never heard of them because spend time only on bitcointalk. We will do what we consider reasonable to do and not gonna rely only on bitcointalk marketing campaign
What happened with your news section and why you removed that other exploit forum link? I would never consider any forum like that to be trusted, and they can often be operated by the same individuals. If nobody can verify that deposit it means nothing for rest of the people. I understand that you are serious guy trying to make 1$ advertising chipmixer with your signature but we can do good without your advice
1$ really?!  I don't know how you made those calculations, but I don't think your math is good. I think you need to understand us, we saw so many scam mixers that it's only healthy to be a bit more suspicious about any new service like this. We are not on exploit yet, they asked for deposit and we still arranging that, once we have deposit will be reopened. I also have profile on exploit since 2016 And yes I understand your concerns, claiming unlimited and 20 BTC was actually the same to us, later changed that thing Speaking for 1$ - signature campaign posts cost 1-2$, I have one at the moment and they're around those prices we pay for posts
By the way: we claim 20 BTC not unlimited
You claimed unlimited amount before, but later your changed it and lowered amount after your received feedback and suspicions from me and other members. Now you changed it to 20 BTC in first part of post, but below for reasons you still say there are No limits for max amount, even now. Here is archive of you post: Minimum mixing amount is 0.005 BTC, maximum - any
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Unlimited max amount: Send any amount and mixing will go smoothly
https://ninjastic.space/post/60503669Probably in your world there is no thing like forum deposits, no lie. There are trusted forums like exploit, xss and others that have them, you most probably never heard of them because spend time only on bitcointalk. We will do what we consider reasonable to do and not gonna rely only on bitcointalk marketing campaign
What happened with your news section and why you removed that other exploit forum link? I would never consider any forum like that to be trusted, and they can often be operated by the same individuals. If nobody can verify that deposit it means nothing for rest of the people. I understand that you are serious guy trying to make 1$ advertising chipmixer with your signature but we can do good without your advice
1$ really?! I don't know how you made those calculations, but I don't think your math is good. I think you need to understand us, we saw so many scam mixers that it's only healthy to be a bit more suspicious about any new service like this. Speaking for exploit, if you think it's not trusted that doesn't mean it's not trusted, people have 0.5-1 mln $ deposits here, you may register and take a look yourself. If you don't understand something that doesn't mean this doesn't work or doesn't exist I offer doing next way to stop this discussion because I don't like it: we wait until funds are deposited on forums, someone of people who has accounts on forums for example exploit, xss, wwh or other and who is trusted here proves deposits are real and legit and that's it, enough for proofs. I can't say how much time to wait, summer at the moment and part of the team at the vacations. Will be deposited around 30k$ for sure, maybe more Signing is useless either because any time mixer owner is able to do scam exit and all your signing won't help, otherwise in case you have deposits you will loose them [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged] |
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