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1401  Economy / Economics / Re: When to "move the decimal points" ? on: February 02, 2011, 04:52:45 PM
Why not just have a maximum fee of 0.001 BTC for every transaction? Why should "dust" be charged any differently to "bullion"?

Not a bad idea, but this value cannot be static.
Of course I agree with you, but 0.001 would be a workable default for now.

As I understand it, fees work like this:

  • The client offers a maximum fee.
  • The generator can choose to process the transaction or not. If it processes the transaction, it can charge any fee between zero and the limit specified by the client.
  • The block must be accepted by the majority of the network for the fee payment to "stick".

Feel free to set me straight if there's more to it than that.
1402  Economy / Economics / Re: When to "move the decimal points" ? on: February 02, 2011, 04:13:01 PM
Also, I propose that the number of decimal places could be set somewhere in the GUI application for convenience.

I don't think this is needed (contrary to what I suggested previously).

If a transaction uses more than 2 decimal places, show them all. For everything else, show 2 decimal places. The "Send Coins" dialog already doesn't use any specific number of places.

For ease of use, I would suggest that decimals after the first two are shown smaller. This keeps it intuitive for new users, because the main digits are more like "bitdollars and bitcents".

Of course, the fee structure would need to be adjusted in the client. There's no point allowing people to send 0.001 BTC if it's going to cost them 0.01 BTC with the fees.

Why not just have a maximum fee of 0.001 BTC for every transaction? Why should "dust" be charged any differently to "bullion"?
1403  Economy / Economics / Re: BTC investing vs. BTC replication cost of opportunity on: February 02, 2011, 02:51:39 PM
And anyway, if GoogCoin is based on open-source software, with similar principles than bitcoin...

GoogCoin or ZyngaCoin would never have similar principles to bitcoin. Organizations like Google wouldn't see a problem with their currency being centrally controlled. Something like Bitcoin can only arise from the bottom-up, not from the top-down.

Google or Zynga could maybe succeed with the launch of a currency, but even for them it wouldn't be easy. In the UK, many people still remember the collapse of internet currencies such as Flooz and Beenz.
1404  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MtGox account compromised on: February 02, 2011, 02:42:31 PM
Something else I think that people forget is changing your password often.
But then you have to write the passwords down, which kind of defeats the purpose. Sure, you can store them encrypted on your computer, but what about when you are travelling?

I use a fairly strong basic password, plus a rule to modify it for each site. This just gives me two things to remember: the password and the rule. The rule is not straightforward to apply, but I can do it in my head if I have to.

The only thing that messes this up is the occasional site that has some stupid password rule (e.g. no punctuation allowed).
1405  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Rseolving trades in a market on: February 02, 2011, 02:36:33 PM
I also notice that there is a preference for low prices (a 1.1 bid and a 0.9 ask leads to a 0.9 transaction price, not 1)
This has the advantage that you can easily buy a large quantity without needing to enter lots of different bids.

Suppose there are asks at 0.6, 0.7, 0.8 and 0.9, each offering to sell 10 BTC. You want to buy 50 BTC, and each BTC is worth 0.95 to you. You simply bid for 50 BTC at 0.95, and the system matches them up: you buy 10 at 0.6, 10 at 0.7, 10 at 0.8, 10 at 0.9, and your bid for the remaining ten at 0.95 stays on the order book.

If it didn't work that way, you'd end up paying 0.95 for all of the coins that you buy. No-one would want that, so they would need to enter separate bids at 0.6, 0.7, 0.8, 0.9 and 0.95.
1406  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Will the block chain size ever become too large? on: February 02, 2011, 02:28:47 PM
Does every Bitcoin instance on a peer node download this entire block chain? 
At this time, yes, every bitcoin app downloads its own copy of the full block chain.

This is not absolutely necessary. Several levels of optimization are available; it's just a "simple matter of programming".

In the future, big nodes (e.g. those operated by exchangers) will download the whole block chain, but the "average joe" will run a "bitcoin lite" that just downloads the data needed to support his own use of bitcoin.
1407  Economy / Economics / Re: the importance of currency exchange for the economy on: February 02, 2011, 01:25:57 PM
Calculate your BTC income and expenditure. The difference between them is your BTC profit. Calculate your dollar income and expenditure. The difference between them is your dollar profit. On the last day of your tax year, work out the dollar-equivalent of your BTC profit, using a market rate (e.g. MtGox). Declare the total profit in dollars (most countries have a box near the end of the tax form for "other income").

The only problem is that you will need to pay tax to the government.

Don't forget to keep records of all your costs, including electricity for your computer, and heating/lighting for your home office.

When your business grows much bigger, you can afford to pay an accountant to tell you whether there are more profitable ways to structure your business. But at this point, your need is to get the business established.
1408  Other / Obsolete (selling) / Re: selling 3,6,12 month contracts for computations from 0.5 to 16 GH/sec on: February 02, 2011, 11:27:00 AM
If i'm reading this correctly, these prices are ridiculous

Consider Vladimir's 1GHhash/sec contract at £1203 per 3 months. That's £13.22 or $21.36 per day. According to the generation calculator, you can expect to generate 45 BTC per day. Therefore, if you can sell your generated BTC for $0.48 or more, you are winning. At the current price (say, $0.65), you would make a profit of $7.89 per day.

Of course the generation difficulty is likely to increase every 10 days or so, and you will generate fewer coins per day as time goes on. If the price of bitcoins rises fast enough, the venture will continue to be profitable. Otherwise, it becomes a losing proposition. There is certainly a risk, but right now the numbers add up.

One reason to consider this service is if you want to generate, but don't want the noise in your house.
1409  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MtGox account compromised on: February 01, 2011, 09:27:14 PM
Almost everyone had transactions from "united" ... It does mean that the attacker has your username
A question for people here: Did everyone who has the "united" transaction have a MtGox account name that is also a Forum username? Because it's easy enough to get a list of Forum names.

I have the "united" transaction, and my MtGox account name also happens to be a Forum username (although it's not 'ribuck').

I plugged the vulnerability that allowed them to run the attack so your weak passwords will be safe again.
Weak passwords are never safe. Mine is 71% according to the Password Meter, and I'll be improving it.
1410  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox on: February 01, 2011, 09:10:35 PM
No, maybe a rich kid wanted to get his hand into some goodies offered here. He might had just buy a lot(Like 10K USD) and the price spiked.

Rich kids are going to buy much more than 10k from MtGox. You'll know about it then!
1411  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MtGox account compromised on: February 01, 2011, 06:13:31 PM
Simply locking an account for one minute makes it horribly slow to try a brute force attack.
No, that doesn't work. Instead of trying 100,000 passwords on one account, the attacker simply tries one password on 100,000 accounts. Same chance of success.
1412  Economy / Economics / Re: US and UK produces tons of fake gold... Will gold be backed by Bitcoin ? on: February 01, 2011, 06:12:04 PM
I had often heard the conspiracy theories, but I had never realised there were so many aspects of the gold market that don't make sense.

More details here, with references:
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article14818.html
1413  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin parity. on: February 01, 2011, 05:32:39 PM
Are you sure we won't get back to around 0.55?
Even if the price did return to 0.55 (and it doesn't look like it will), that's still 10% higher than 24 hours ago, a big daily rise by any measure.
1414  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [RFC] Sub-cent-precision on: February 01, 2011, 02:05:51 PM
Well, this is Nystrom hexadecimal representation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Nystrom#Tonal_System_.28Hexadecimal.29), isn't it?

It doesn't seem stupid to me.

The Nystrom representation itself isn't stupid, but using it for Bitcoin is. It brings absolutely nothing worthwhile to Bitcoin.

One bitcoin is 100000000 units of bitdust, and the maximum number of bitcoins is 21000000, both of which are convenient decimal numbers. What's the point of having one Bong-Bitcoin equal to 42.94967296 BTC?

If you do want to count bitcoins in hexadecimal, you should simply use the equivalent number in base 16. For example, 255 BTC = 0xFF BTC.
1415  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / MtGox account compromised on: February 01, 2011, 01:31:09 PM
So were the hacked accounts and the extremely high-value Bitcoin transactions related or not?
It seems unlikely, because the hacker apparently sold bitcoins. This would have tended to lower the MtGox price, not raise it.
1416  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / MtGox account compromised on: February 01, 2011, 12:37:58 PM
c) same password for all sites, thus you compromise all accounts if one pwd is lost?
Yes, although in practice most people already compromise (almost) all accounts if they lose the password to their email account, due to the easy availability of password reminder/reset facilities.

A bank does need something more than most other sites. I would be happy to pay a fee to have two-factor authentication on my MtGox account.
1417  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [RFC] Testnet reset on: February 01, 2011, 10:48:58 AM
Keep testnet as close as possible to the live system. It will sort itself out in a few weeks.

Create an additional block chain for those whose development needs require something other than what testnet provides.
1418  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [RFC] Sub-cent-precision on: February 01, 2011, 10:42:52 AM

Oh this seems cool.   Sorry.

I should look at this wiki more often Smiley

Did you actually read the wiki page that you're describing as "cool"? This "Tonal Bitcoin" stuff is just stupid. "Bong-BitCoin" indeed!
1419  Economy / Marketplace / Re: We accept Bitcoins on: February 01, 2011, 10:37:02 AM
i accept bitcoins for zimbabwe dollar notes
I bought one of these notes. It arrived promptly, and was well-packaged. It's a great talking piece, and an introduction to a discussion about inflation which naturally leads to a discussion about Bitcoin.
1420  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin parity. on: February 01, 2011, 10:33:45 AM
Maybe someone had been short selling BTC, and had an end-of-the-month deadline by which they needed to deliver the BTC.

In any case, BTC is now trading significantly above $0.50, so although the $0.95 was presumably due to a single anomalous trader, I think there's also a genuine underlying upwards trend.
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