Bitcoin Forum
May 03, 2024, 06:21:40 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
  Home Help Search Login Register More  
  Show Posts
Pages: « 1 ... 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 [73] 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 »
1441  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: 21million BTC is just over 51 bits of precision... on: January 29, 2011, 06:21:41 PM
Bitcoin could send a number that looks like 2100000000000001, but the code that interprets that JSON-RPC number will convert it into an inexact double-precision floating-point equivalent.  And then the code that displays that number will have to decide how to round and format that inexact floating point number and display it to the user.

Gavin, my point is this:

The integer 2100000000000001 is within the range that is represented EXACTLY in double-precision floating point. On the other hand, the number 2100000.000000001 is not (and cannot be) represented exactly in double precision floating point (because it has a decimal fraction part that cannot be exactly represented in the binary encoding used for floating point).

The limit for exact integer representation in a double precision floating point number is 9,007,199,254,740,992 which is sufficient for Bitcoin's needs.

Perhaps you understood that I was saying that, and are pointing out that we are at the mercy of JSON libraries that might not correctly handle the conversion from integer to double-precision.

If the libraries are that buggy, it's pretty sad.
1442  Other / Off-topic / Re: 'Spanking Your Liver-Spotted Ass' - Tiger Mother Parenting Part 2 on: January 29, 2011, 06:08:39 PM
Father: Clean up your room now or I'll sit in your room until you do it.
The child's room should be a place where the child isn't required to clean up. They need a space of their own, and it's good for them to discover and learn for themselves the advantages and disadvantages of cleaning.
1443  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Advertising Clearinghouse Bounty (1400 BTC or 350 USDs of BTC) by Noagendamarket on: January 29, 2011, 03:12:36 PM
I can't see my own website statistics!
Just register as an advertiser and take a look. A site owner should become familiar with how their site is presented to advertisers.
1444  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoind Pooled Mining Association on: January 29, 2011, 03:08:36 PM
That is the reason we are getting full financial reports and risk assessments done before we even begin to solicit members.
Sure, you are playing it cautious. But I see a risk of analysis paralysis setting in: trying to tie up all the loose ends while the difficulty rises and the window of opportunity starts to close...

Anyway I think a collaborative venture is a great thing to do. But it's going to have to be nimble to be successful.
1445  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Report on: January 29, 2011, 02:39:08 PM
I've analysed all of the transactions stemming from that first transfer and produced a graph showing how the bitcoins got spread around and passed between different addresses.   Grin
It's interesting how the transaction gets split up, then later quite a few pieces of the original transaction come together again. But the splits are probably the change that goes back to the same wallet, so it's not so surprising.

And that suggests a way to determine (with a moderate degree of confidence) which part of a transaction is the "payment" and which is the "change".
1446  Other / Off-topic / Re: 'Spanking Your Liver-Spotted Ass' - Tiger Mother Parenting Part 2 on: January 29, 2011, 02:32:33 PM
He says we've chosen to have children so now we have an obligation to feed, clothe, educate, whatever. Even if this is true what does it mean? That they can punish us? That anyone can? Does this mean that we have to meet someone's definition of minimum care?
Stephan's philosophy (sorry I don't have a link) is simply that if you don't wish to care for your children, you should allow others to do so. There's no need for punishment, or an arbitrary minimum standard of care.

Doing things out of obligation sucks, everything is better if you do things out of a real desire to do them.
For sure, any obligation sucks, and I would not support any obligation. It cannot be a moral imperative to let others care for your children if you don't want to (or cannot) care for them.

However, children do not choose to be born, and harm to children or neglect of children is such a terrrible thing that I expect a free society would evolve the strongest of social pressures to ensure that unwanted children were looked after by people who do care about them.
1447  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin in 15 Words for Laymen on: January 29, 2011, 02:03:46 PM
Bitcoin is a crypto-currency, cash controlled by mathematics instead of greedy bankers.

I get what you're saying, but I don't think the layman wants their cash controlled by mathematicians either. Nor does the layman want the burden of learning what a crypto-currency might be. How about:

Bitcoin is a currency controlled by you instead of by a greedy wunch of bankers.
1448  Other / Off-topic / Re: You reap what you sow on: January 29, 2011, 01:59:28 PM
There's a thread at their forum, seeking an alternative to PayPal for donations. Naturally I suggested Bitcoin:
http://freedomainradio.com/BOARD/forums/p/29276/225000.aspx
1449  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Advertising Clearinghouse Bounty (1400 BTC or 350 USDs of BTC) by Noagendamarket on: January 29, 2011, 01:47:53 PM
Is there a particular reason for 40kb as the size limit? I have a fairly normal skyscraper that I can't get under 42kb even as a jpg.

Site owners don't want the loading of their pages to be slowed down. Page load speed is even one of the factors in a website's position on Google.

But sure, why not increase the limit for the skyscraper ad to 50kB or 60kB in return for reducing it for the smaller ads.
1450  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoind Pooled Mining Association on: January 29, 2011, 01:45:17 PM
Mining bitcoins will not always be profitable, and may not be worthwhile after a 6 month time period if difficulty increases too much.

Or, mining might be worthwhile if the price of bitcoins has risen enough. Or, it might be worthwhile if transaction fees are charged. Or, the difficulty rise might pause when the Northern Hemisphere summer arrives.

There are plenty of unknowns, so I think this should be considered an adventure rather than a charted course.
1451  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin parity. on: January 29, 2011, 12:15:19 PM
Still months and months off, if these two are related
As you hinted, it doesn't really make sense to overlay a log graph onto a linear graph.
1452  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Kiba's Art Thread on: January 29, 2011, 12:11:46 PM
It would really help if you drip in some bitcoins to keep me motiviated during the dry time.
I'll send you 10 BTC if you finish this artwork within 10 days AND you explicitly release it to Public Domain AND the USB stick is fixed.
1453  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: 21million BTC is just over 51 bits of precision... on: January 29, 2011, 12:05:36 PM
Murphy's Law states that some JSON libs are broken. Use integers, don't use floating point.
If you have enough bits of floating point precision, you can represent integers safely and exactly. But you can't do the same for decimal fractions, due to the binary representation within the floating point value.

So if you represent the bitcoins as bitdust (2,100,000,000,000,000) rather than as coins (21,000,000.00000000) it should work unless the library is extremely broken (in which case it's likely to be extremely broken for integers too).

But ... what about when the whole world is using bitcoin and the precision gets extended beyond 51 bits?
1454  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Tragedy Of The Commons on: January 28, 2011, 05:59:40 PM
I found an amusing quote from Satoshi in this forum, dated 12 December 2009:

Quote
The average total coins generated across the network per day stays the same.  Faster machines just get a larger share than slower machines.  If everyone bought faster machines, they wouldn't get more coins than before.

We should have a gentleman's agreement to postpone the GPU arms race as long as we can for the good of the network. It's much easer to get new users up to speed if they don't have to worry about GPU drivers and compatibility.

Of course, avoiding a hashing arms race presumes that there are no "bad guys".
1455  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Tragedy Of The Commons on: January 28, 2011, 05:52:13 PM
If we could all agree to only use low volatage CPUs, nobody would have to buy expensive Quad-GPU mining rigs.
If we could all agree to report our bitcoin balance honestly and not double-spend, the Bitcoin system wouldn't even need computers.
1456  Other / Off-topic / Re: Facebook to take on PayPal, rule micro-payments? on: January 28, 2011, 04:05:30 PM
FB Credits are pegged to the dollar. 10 credits = 1 dollar.
But you can't cash them out, so that's doesn't mean much. It will be interesting to see what the black market rate is, but it will be much less.
1457  Other / Off-topic / Re: You reap what you sow on: January 28, 2011, 03:59:09 PM
"What are Bitcoins?" at the FreeDomainRadio forum:
http://freedomainradio.com/BOARD/forums/t/29271.aspx

Quote
We have not even saturated the whole libertarian movement with bitcoin.

I doubt whether even 1% of libertarians have heard of Bitcoin.
1458  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Interface Optimization on: January 28, 2011, 02:42:32 PM
"At your address" should be "Your address"
Clarity for newbies is important. I think this label should be "Your receiving address".
1459  Other / Off-topic / Re: You reap what you sow on: January 28, 2011, 02:32:13 PM
This guy is far from stupid ... If he's not, then he's not so smart and I don't care about this guy, nor am I willing to give him anything.

It's not about smart or stupid, it's about getting heard above the 10,000 other things that are clamouring for his attention.

He has a huge following, many of whom would be very interested in Bitcoin. I'll post something in their forum.
1460  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Block 105000 just generated, 25% of all bitcoins now mined on: January 28, 2011, 02:29:13 PM
2 million dollar market cap is really nothing. However, it's a great start. Wink
Remember when the Bitcoin market cap passed one million dollars? Some guy posted that this meant nothing, because his uncle's house was worth more than a million dollars.

Some time soon, the Bitcoin market cap is going to exceed the value of that guy's uncle's house.
Pages: « 1 ... 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 [73] 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 »
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!