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421  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How to run an Anarchy on: June 22, 2011, 09:23:40 PM
The same way we do today, except more efficiently.
I keep hearing this but nowhere am I told why it would be more efficient. Competing companies COULD be more efficient, but there's no guarantee.
I recently saw a government monopoly being broken up, and the end result is a rather large "meh". The prices are about the same, the service is about the same (but slightly better), and the salaries for employees in the new de-monopolized shops are about the same (but slightly lower). There are more shops though. This goes for cities. No idea how things are in the countryside.
That monopoly was probably run as efficient as it could be by anyone, private or state. A bit more waste now if you look at it from a resources perspective.
Still, I don't buy this "the government does everything poorly" argument that keeps popping up here. Perhaps you just have a shitty government. Then fix it. You have the tools. No revolution needed.
422  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why does the Slashdot crowd hate Bitcoin? on: June 20, 2011, 09:22:40 AM
Slashdot's only good for it's news, the comments are worthless...
I wouldn't say worthless.
This guy is both spot on and quite funny while he's at it.  Cheesy
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2251220&cid=36493684
423  Other / Meta / Re: Kill the Politics forum on: June 19, 2011, 10:12:06 PM
My point was, the genesis block contains a somewhat politically charged message and therefore the entire blockchain and project itself is tainted by its ideological beginnings. If you're really worried about scaring people away then you'd need to reboot the entire project.
Yes, because no project has ever changed direction mid stride.  Grin
424  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: ~70GH Pool [Swepool.net] 0% fee proportional, LP, API, SSL! on: June 19, 2011, 08:13:45 PM
Difficulty is too high for me now. I won't be able to mine any more. I have some bitcents that I've mined. Please send it to the wikileaks account if you don't want to send it to me. My payout address should be registered, or send it to 1HB5XMLmzFVj8ALj6mfBsbifRoD4miY36v which should be WikiLeaks (according to http://wikileaks.org/support.html)
425  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Transaction fees?! on: June 18, 2011, 10:00:20 PM
Just look at it as a tax that will help bitcoin function.  Grin
Without it necessary services that is required will not work, so we all have to pay a bit to help out. 
426  Other / Meta / Re: Kill the Politics forum on: June 18, 2011, 09:56:15 PM
A failed state is not the same as no state.

Please explain the difference to me. I'd love to hear it.
A state that doesn't intervene because it can't or because it doesn't exist is the same I'd say. The end result is no intervention. So you should really go there, it does sound like the utopia you want.
Or don't. I have a feeling it wouldn't be beneficial to your health and longevity.
427  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why does the Slashdot crowd hate Bitcoin? on: June 18, 2011, 05:34:22 PM
What's annoying about realizing the inherent meta-aspect of liberty the concept of bitcoin contains?  Centralized authorities have almost always had control over the monetary supply of the people and bitcoin is the first viable alternative.  I think when something as basic as currency can be shown to work effectively without control by a violent monopoly (the State), people may begin to explore that basic philosophy of liberty in other areas as well.

That. Just that.
"The gubbimint's bad, mkay?"
Bloody annoying is what it is.
Like the tech, hate the fanbois.
428  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why does the Slashdot crowd hate Bitcoin? on: June 18, 2011, 12:58:55 PM
I'm a slashdot guy and I don't hate bitcoin. I don't love it either though.
I do however find the rampant libertarianism that comes with bitcoin somewhat annoying.
The tech is cool, though.
And it's quite obvious that many who frequent these forums are young, rather naive and not nearly as pragmatic as I am. And I also think it's far to insecure. I mined a few coins and that's all I'll invest in it.
I think bitcoin has a place, but I'm not sure it'll find it before something else takes over.

This was rather a stream of consciousness than a well thought out post, but take it for what it is.
429  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: don't use this website on: June 16, 2011, 11:11:15 PM
Take this to the politics forum, please stop hijacking the thread.
You're right. Wrong forum.
430  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: don't use this website on: June 16, 2011, 10:53:21 PM
They are initiating force against the ignorant.

Oh please. That argument can be used to attack anyone at any time.

Anyone using their knowledge in any field can be the target of your vigilante justice because they're "initiating force against the ignorant" by their mere expertise in the field.

This is why anarcho-capitalism, voluntarism or whatever you call it is garbage. It's just word play to allow "might makes right".

The website owners might be scum, but you don't have to be.
And no, a DDoS isn't non violent. Informing the public is. Barricading the entrance isn't.
431  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: don't use this website on: June 16, 2011, 10:28:47 PM
http://sourceforge.net/projects/loic/
Set all cannons to this websites url. Let's just take them off the map.

What was it you used to say about aggression? Or is this defence again?
Is it defence when you're aggressive something you don't like, but defence when someone is aggressive against something you like?

But I do agree that the website should be avoided and reported.
432  Economy / Trading Discussion / Bitcoin Randomizer - Under attack? on: June 16, 2011, 11:11:57 AM
What's up with with the randomizer? Anyone have any news?
Have I missed an announcement somewhere?
433  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I will admit something... on: June 11, 2011, 09:25:05 PM
Oh, look, I can also link images.
434  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I will admit something... on: June 11, 2011, 09:16:12 PM
A few articles and YOUTUBE? Come on... Read some books. I'll suggest some if you don't know how to use Google. I think it's just easier for you to reject ideas that you are ignorant of.
I asked questions. People pointed me to what they thought were good videos and articles. They weren't.
Feel free to suggest things to read/watch, I'll give it a shot. Bad/stupid things don't get much time though.

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The crops themselves act as a border. It's pretty obvious where a plowed field ends and the forest begins. It's pretty obvious where a wheat field ends and the forest begins.

So because owning a forest would be difficult you think that is a death blow to the entire system? There are many other ways to mark a boundary. Post some signs every half mile, stake the corners, have a radio transmitter. The common thread here is that this is a technological problem, not a theoretical one.

No just in court if you evict someone and they sue you or you use force against them and there is an investigation.
Or you could just use the current system which is both working, economical and efficient. Why replace a system, with some faults, with another with different but equally big or bigger faults? Why not try to improvements? Look, I can see some benefits to your way of thinking, and I can see how some thoughts can be incorporated into current systems, but your system as a whole just doesn't make sense to me.

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That's a non sequitur.
I don't think it is. You can have different credit ratings with different organizations.  You can't have different owners of a patch of land. Not at the same time anyway.

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In other words, since there's no final authority that you can appeal to, no dispute is ever truly resolved. That's actually the same case with our current system. Even if you get all the way up to the Supreme Court the issue isn't settled because then you can just petition Congress to pass a law so that your case is won that way.
I don't agree with your conclusion. And laws are seldom retroactive, and those who are are advertised in advance to let you react to them. Also, your solution to the problem above would be to make sure the person with the most resources wins? Hardly seems more fair to me.
435  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I will admit something... on: June 09, 2011, 03:00:16 PM

Do you really think that you, off the top of your head, can come up with objections that many great thinkers haven't (a) already thought of or (b) already offered solutions to?

At the very least, you need to fence in the land. There has to be some kind of visible border around your property. Also, if someone moves into land that you own, you can't just say "oh I own that", you have a burden of proof. In the case of ecology, it would be some kind of historical data, survey maps, a deed whatever.
I'm not sure which great thinkers you refer to, but I did read a few articles that was offered to me, and watched a few youtube films that people suggested, and if that represented the great thinkers I'm not impressed.

Fences? Really? Visible border? Go have a look at a large farm. They have no fences around their crop fields and it would be very impractical and expensive to have it. It becomes even more absurd with forests.
I assure you that I could claim enough land anywhere to go around and inspect it every 10 years or so, making sure it's doing it's job acting as a carbon sink. I see so many ways to abuse the system you're proposing. So you have to prove that you own your property to anyone who shows up?

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How do you keep up with your credit rating? Is there a single government agency that does that? No, actually its several different agencies. I'm also not against central authority or even monopolies, as long as they are voluntary. If everyone decides to use Bob's Land Registration because they are honest and it's convenient to have only one, fine with me. However, if Bob's Land Registration starts getting abusive, the door is open for competition, which somewhat assures that abuses aren't that tempting in the first place. It's a sort of business suicide.
Credit rating is a bit like IP isn't it. It's not "scarce".
I was in Greece not too long ago. I came across a guy who built a house there. He assumed that the road outside was a public road, which it wasn't it'd turn out. When his house was built some guy came up with a document showing that he owned the road and now wanted to be compensated. Our hero had nothing to do but to pay the fee that the man asked for. Then another man came, with another contract claiming the HE owned the road, then another and another. All with valid documents. And the fee was low enough to not bother going to court about.
He fully expects someone to come one day with a paper claiming to own the land that the house stands on, but then the stakes will be higher.
Turns out that this isn't uncommon in Greece. A country with a more or less failed state. That's what I'd expect without a central authority.

436  Economy / Economics / Re: Read this before having an opinion on economics on: June 09, 2011, 08:51:43 AM
I'm saying there's no point to. You don't have to have a system of determining ownership of something that everybody can use simultaneously. You seem ideologically stuck on the notion that an individual deserves payment when another individual makes use of "their" ideas. Alternatively said, that an individual should be able to use physical force in order to control the use of an idea that they share with others.

The way I see it labour is labour, no matter if you put it into IP or into a patch of land. You should somehow have the right to that labour, but as stated above, there's a difference between them so we tweak the rules governing them. According to you the fact that only one person CAN use physical property at any given time is the point, but that's just an ideological argument. If you're not using your property during the day, and I do, it has absolutely no impact on you. Yet you say I can't do that because you have the right to the labour you put into it. Yet you're not willing to extend that to IP.
437  Economy / Economics / Re: Read this before having an opinion on economics on: June 09, 2011, 07:38:11 AM
The entire purpose of homesteading is a fair and transparent way of assigning usage rights to objects that can only be used by a single entity at a time. Ideas can be used by an infinite number of entities at the same time, so it does not follow that a similar framework fits.

Why not. It's just rules. You can tweak rules. Unless you're ideologically stuck.
438  Economy / Economics / Re: Read this before having an opinion on economics on: June 09, 2011, 06:41:07 AM
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I think property laws (in fact all laws) should be simple. I find bitterTea's definition of property pretty simple.
Use similar definition for IP then. If you are the first to claim an idea it's yours for a limited time and you can captialize it.

It's interesting that you are commenting this in a thread titled "Read this before having an opinion".

I'm not going to rehash the thread, but note that if you truly believed you could apply natural rights and homesteading to ideas, then any idea you 'mixed your labour with' would be yours or your assigns' not for a limited time but forever. Does that still sound like a good idea for society? Have you paid your wheel and fire usage fees this month?

From BitterTea: "If it's unowned you can homestead it, which is just whatever method society accepts as a market of proving "I claimed this first"."
So, why not use a similar one on ideas, just like I wrote? I had this idea first, it's now mine. However since everyone understands that there's a difference between an idea and a spot of land, we tweak the rule a little. You don't own the idea forever, like with the land, but for a limited time. See, not that hard.
439  Economy / Marketplace / Re: OPEN SCAMMER Alert! Name + info within, DONT GET SCAMMED on: June 08, 2011, 10:05:33 PM
How?
Once money are with paypal, withdraw to bank and you should be fine, right?
440  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I will admit something... on: June 08, 2011, 09:46:54 PM
I'm not sure if you're joking or if you are actually ignorant of Libertarian property rights. There's two way to obtain property, homesteading, which is mixing your labor with unowned property, land, natural resources, whatever, and legitimate title transfer, barter, gifts, gambling. It's hard to see how you'll be rich through mixing your labor with anything unless it's just through diligent hard work. You can't go plant four flags at the corners of Nevada and claim you own it. You actually have to do something with the unowned property you claim, farm, mine, or even study ecology by recording it but not altering it. So, how exactly would you be "rich" in "my" world? You'd be richer since you wouldn't be forced to give money to the government which does everything inefficiently and has little to no incentive to improve.

I'd claim all land and use it to increase biodiversity, study long term effects of global warming or anything else that would be very hard to actually check. I mean, how can you actually check what I'm doing? My forests might be in a growth period, no action required on my part. My fields might be resting for a few years to yield bigger crops in the future. How can you tell?
Or isn't that allowed?

And another thing that interests me. How do you keep track of which land actually belong to whom? A central land authority that registers all owners? Doesn't seem like something you'd like. Several registers? Something else?
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