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661  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Securing wallet.dat on: January 14, 2012, 09:51:20 PM
That makes no sense.

Why would you go to such drastic measures when you can encrypt your wallet with a passphrase using the bitcoin client?
Choose a decent passphrase and you're good to go.
Just please make sure your machine stays malware-free, ok?

Remember that if your main machine gets infected, a VM running inside it might not protect you.
A VM can be used with great success to contain a threat, not to keep a threat already present in the parent machine outside.

There is no gain in keeping the block chain on a volatile FS and re-downloading it all the time.
Keep the block chain on the persistent FS and limit your worries to the wallet file.

Also, why make the wallet file read-only??
The client will want to write changes to your wallet with every transaction you make and "read" is the only privilege the malware really needs.


If built-in AES encryption doesn't seem enough, you could always use TrueCrypt and mount your Serpent-Twofish-AES-encrypted wallet using the command line.
Alternatively, you could keep the wallet on a LUKS-encrypted volume. This way you can have multiple keys and revoke them if necessary.
Or, use the good-old gpg for securing the wallet further.
There are countless possibilities.
662  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Bitcoin BIP 16 /P2SH/ is bad, your action is needed! on: January 14, 2012, 09:14:40 PM
It's -rescan. It's also never needed in theory...
Funny you should say that. DeathAndTaxes and I were helping a guy just last night and -rescan fixed his problem (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=58610).

Wallet encryption is mostly a PR stunt. In the end, you still can't back up the "encrypted" wallet as-is without losing privacy, and a trojan can just wait until you unlock your wallet.
Naturally if your machine is crawling with malware you've already lost the war. Only multi factor authentication (multi-sig) can help you.
That being said, encryption by default is VERY useful because an encrypted wallet can be much more safely propagated defending it against data loss, eg. it can be uploaded to the internet and the attackers won't be able to breach it provided the passphrase is half-decent.

This is the one biggest problem with Bitcoin-Qt right now IMO. I don't see any reason the AES code can't be recycled to encrypt the whole file when backing up.
A great idea but the user needs to have encrypted the wallet in the first place for that to work. We don't want to rely on some hard-coded default encryption passphrase now, do we?


I only posted this here because the discussion had already watered down but you are 100% correct Luke.
I request the Mods kindly split this subdiscussion into a new topic, please.
663  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbie guide to setting up headless mining via ssh on: January 14, 2012, 08:59:38 PM
That's one way to skin the cat. Mighty decent of you to start your adventure with these forums by posting a guide.
Quite a few guides have been already posted but the newbies tend to be terrible at using the search function.
Good job!
664  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Britcoin / Intersango on: January 14, 2012, 08:38:22 PM
What other options are there for converting GBP -> BTC

MtGox, obviously.
665  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Several steady unknown deposits on my MtGox account on: January 14, 2012, 08:32:02 PM
You're doing just fine with your English.

Most probably, someone made a mistake (typo) registering a bitcoin address with their pool.
It's cryptographically improbable that their client would generate identical private key as yours.
666  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Bitcoin BIP 16 /P2SH/ is bad, your action is needed! on: January 14, 2012, 08:23:29 PM
...Bitcoin got "this far" and crashed because its security was clearly not far enough along.

Mike, it's still going to be a cat and mouse game, as all security is.
Of course, raising the bar is always desirable. Common multi-sig deployment will render the old attack vectors ineffective.
However, we can rest assured that the bad guys will bring themselves up to speed and keep mounting increasingly complex attacks.

I do believe, however, that it's not inadequate security that's hampering wide-scale Bitcoin adoption but excessive technical issues with the client:
(1) slow initial block chain download.
(2) UI deficiencies (please put in a "Rescan" button somewhere. Non-technical users can't be reasonably expected to user the --rescan parameter).
(3) lack of wallet security (wallet encryption isn't offered by default, why?).
(4) no automatic wallet backups by the client (understandable in the light of (3) as unencrypted wallets should never be automatically backed up).

I'm sad to say these relatively MINOR issues do seem to have a heavy negative impact on the overall impression of the client.

Being active on the Newbies and Support subforums, I hear those issues being raised time and time again by very non-technical users who install the client and expect everything to just work.
They hear about the bitcoin PROTOCOL being secure and confuse that with client-side security (data theft/loss).

I'm writing this here hoping to raise these issues with the core developers.
Very little work put into purely cosmetic issues can make a lot of positive impact.
667  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: help underclock asus non-reference hd 6950 on: January 14, 2012, 07:49:50 PM
OK, I tried to drag the memory clock to 400MHz, lower bound of saphire trixxx. OS freezed. After restarting and re-open the trixxx, I found it locks my vCore at crazy 1.68V and shows only 793mV.

This looks pretty dangerous to me I guess I will just live with the asus smartdoctor with 1050MHz mem clock.

Dude, what's your gpu clock?
As I told you, any third-party program (like cgminer) is able to set memory to gpu core clocks minus 125MHz. If you OC'd to 930, you can easily set memory at 805.
It's just impossible to go lower than that.

Please don't mess around with trixxx as that's potentially lethal: this card sports a fully custom VRM, god only knows what values should be loaded into which registers and how they are interpreted bt the card's BIOS. In theory, you could unwillingly set GPU core to 1.5 volts and fry it alive.
668  Other / Meta / Re: Should the "Alternate cryptocurrencies" subforum be closed? on: January 14, 2012, 07:38:02 PM
Aren't alternative currencies supposed to be a test-bed for a whole range of ideas (even if some of them are crazy)?
Even if there was a lot of trouble with that subforum lately, I don't believe it should be closed.
Especially when users can hide any part of the forum they don't wish to participate in at will.
669  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: someone send me a pm telling me where to find my old posts on: January 14, 2012, 07:32:37 PM
Your own old posts?
Profile -> Show the last posts of this person.

PM sent.
670  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Browser based mining on: January 14, 2012, 07:13:26 PM
It’s for computers which I’m just using for a while, like for work. I can’t install anything but I’d still like to run a miner.

I'd just like to point out that if those are your employer's machines, you can get into a shitload of trouble running a miner on them.
Only run miners on machines that you own or have explicit permission to use for mining purposes.
671  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Bitcoin BIP 16 /P2SH/ is bad, your action is needed! on: January 14, 2012, 06:49:32 PM
Well I guess we need to define complex...
So, we're basically going into higher levels of abstraction, just like with programming languages or frameworks.
That is a definition I can agree with.

What I had in mind when countering your post was:
Let's look at bitcoin protocol as a class.
It is reasonable that simplicity at the high-abstraction (public) level is paid for by greater amount of work and complexity being done at the invisible (private) low-level.
Not only can't low-level bugs usually be fixed (at best, they can be mitigated) at the high client-side level, but also the more complicated the low-level becomes, the harder it is to analyze it for flaws.
Thus, the overall complexity does not change, it's just shifted down.

Naturally, I believe we need multi-sig. I'm also confident the core developers will implement a decent and well-scrutinized approach.


EDIT::Some minor wording issues fixed.
672  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 0.5.1 wowwzzers on: January 14, 2012, 06:33:43 PM
As I already said, no one is interested in maintaining two pieces of code. The developers have much more important issues on their hands.
Version 4 client can't even filter the transactions according to user-specified criteria. It's gone past its prime and has been shot and buried.
673  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Not getting money for shares. on: January 14, 2012, 06:24:28 PM
Obviously, you're going to have to put some time in and do your homework yourself.
Read the Pools subforum for your own best interest: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=41.0

As a new user, I'd advise you stay away from any proportional pool.
The reason is, you'll be one of those unfortunate sheep pool-hoppers thrive on.
Although bitcoins.lc does not publish their hash-rate graph, I'd fully expect it to look much like this one: https://bitclockers.com/statistics
This "heartbeat-like" pattern is nothing but bad news for the steady, 24/7 miners.

I've been mining on Eligius for months and have nothing wrong to say about the pool.
Just be advised that the owner has lately been a controversial and polarizing individual. Nevertheless, he is a highly skilled coder.
674  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Not getting money for shares. on: January 14, 2012, 05:47:04 PM

Having been basically abandoned by its creator, ArsBitcoin is to be avoided.
More details here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18567.880
675  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 0.5.1 wowwzzers on: January 14, 2012, 04:53:26 PM
No problem Jordan.

I fully expect this matter to keep popping up as simply installing 5.1 over 4 keeps the old bitcoin.exe intact.
All shortcuts will still point at the old executable.
I suppose the 5.1 installer should in a clear and comprehensible way recommend uninstalling version 4 client first.
676  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 0.5.1 wowwzzers on: January 14, 2012, 04:11:03 PM
But any how, what happened to the original bitcoin.exe and the original bitcoin icon?
Superseded with bitcoin-qt. The less code there is to maintain, the better. Why keep the old, clunky interface?


Donny, you are out of your element.
Such behavior ill-advised, especially for someone having posted just 12 times before.
677  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Bitcoin BIP 16 /P2SH/ is bad, your action is needed! on: January 14, 2012, 03:59:29 PM
The insane thing is 28% of voters picked the first two options.

Saying I don't want multi-sig is saying "I want Bitcoin to forever remain this small, overly complex, and vulnerable system used by an insignificant number of people".

Now now, DAT, implementing either P2SH or OP_CODEHASHVERIFY will hardly make the system less complex, would you agree?
Other than that, you're right on point.

I never even partook in this discussion because it's over my head as a mere miner.
Unless someone takes the time to study the code and do extensive formal algorithm analysis (we're talking of a huge amount of time here), the intricacies of changing the protocol are far over their head.
The concept of that poll is therefore laughable.

I don't like seeing Luke go crying wolf and turn to the general forum populace(1) for support of his cause.


(1) why else would he post this in Mining instead of Development & Technical Discussion?
678  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 3 days after MtGox BTC withdrawal request and still nothing on: January 14, 2012, 03:42:33 PM
This is far from expected behavior but such outlier situations do happen to all exchanges from time to time.

My worst snafu was with Intersango when a transfer wouldn't show up for a week :<
Apparently, they'd messed up by setting the transfer status to sent (so they thought everything was fine) without actually launching the transfer itself.

In general, I'm very pleased with how MtGox operates.
Keep your ears up, mate Smiley
679  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 3 days after MtGox BTC withdrawal request and still nothing on: January 14, 2012, 02:29:00 PM
Don't worry, your BTC will get to you... eventually. I'm not sure the support is active during Weekends...
MtGox may be a little slow sometimes but they do NOT cheat their customers.

680  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: help underclock asus non-reference hd 6950 on: January 14, 2012, 01:24:19 PM
Hi everyone, I just bought this card

http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/AMD_Series/EAH6950_DCII2DI4S1GD5/

And I'm trying to get the memory clocked at 300MHz or lower but seems I cannot do it.

I tried to edit the bios in RBE first, and whenever I edit the memory clock in "clock info 02" (which is supposed to be the lower bound of memory clock, in the case of hd 5870), I got a BSOD at windows start. I searched and found some explanation saying hd 6xxxx series bios is signed so when I edit that part and flash it back it found the mismatch and the driver would report error and then bsod.

Then I tried to use the asus smartdoctor. I can tune the vCore of this card(cannot in afterburner), but the lower bound of memory is stuck at 1050MHz. I'm wondering if there's a way to change the lower bound of this memory clock in smartdoctor.

After that, I was tweaking in the amd overdrive and afterburner. The lower bound for both of them are 625MHz, which is good. But the problem here is whenever I set the clock under 825MHz, the memory clock is actually running at 1250MHz, which is the card default. For example, I set the memory clock 810MHz, the actually running memory clock is 1250MHz; I set the memory clock 625MHz, the actually running memory clock is 1250MHz. But when I set the memory clock 825MHz, the actually running memory clock would run at 825MHz.

How can I lower the memory clock of this card?

(1) This card allows up to 125 MHz difference between core and memory clocks.
         You can set the memory clock to gpu_core clock -125.

(2) Yeah, you can forget RBE tricks
(3) Only ASUS smartdoctor is able to modify the voltages.

ASUS have outdone themselves in going full retard custom with this sodding thing.
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