I think the lack of audio is the single biggest weakness across your site. Then again, I'm a musician, so maybe I'm more tuned into that than many other people. Check out my recent comments in the Bitcoin Video Poker thread for some thoughts on VP sounds.
I also play a lot of blackjack at your site, but again, I would be playing at bc-casino.com due to the audio. What keeps me with you is the "dealer doesn't peek for blackjack" rule that BC-Casino implements. I hate that rule.
Thanks for the feedback! It's clear that sounds are in high demand, so we'll make sure to prioritize it. And, I'm glad you like our blackjack rules  Hi, love your site - specifically your craps which is the only game I play there. I especially like the simple, clean, fast, no bullshit UI. The bet placing system you have for craps (not sure if its the same for other games) really allows the player to efficiently and quickly make their bets - which gives the craps game a nice overall flow and feel. Really handy to be able to quickly and easily make different sized bets for the different wagers as well as pressing up your bets without having to move your mouse cursor back and forth across the screen every time you need to change increments for a specific wager.
Thanks for the kind words! We spent a lot of time creating the slick UI, so it's always great to hear directly from our users that you're enjoying it Regarding the first bolded, would you be taking about something similar to a casino rewards program or rakeback? Because something like that would be awesome and would definitely increase my play at your site. Yup! We have a rewards program in the works which I'm really excited about. We've got a lot of long-time loyal players, and we want to make sure to reward you all for playing with us. As far as sounds go, I like the no sounds aspect since oftentimes I'm doing something else on my computer while degenning it up on your craps game. So if you do add sounds, I would kindly request making them optional. And I'm also a big fan of the fact that you don't have some silly distracting animation of dice bouncing around the table every roll.
We will definitely have a very prominent option to turn sounds off (ie, it will be on the table itself, not buried on the options page). We may even make sounds off by default, and just let users who want to turn them on - not sure on that yet. |
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I don't know if you're aware of it, but both luckco.in and bitcoinvideopoker.com are currently offering video poker games with a progressive max-bet royal flush jackpot, whereas your video poker has no progressive pot.
Both sites currently only allow a maximum bet of 0.005 BTC per hand, so are catering to a different market than your game I guess, but I thought I should point it out in case you weren't aware of it.
Thanks for the info! Progressives don't really work unless you have a set bet size, whereas we've taken the approach of allowing you to always bet whatever you want and still always be paid out the maximum. Also, we've got something else in the works that should reward your play across all our games in a way that's more fair and more fun than progressives, so stay on the lookout! I think you should add sounds to the video poker as BitcoinVideoPoker.com does.
Thanks for the feedback! Sounds have been on our todo list for a long time now. It's good to hear feedback like your to help us prioritize what to push to the top of our list |
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Here's how you explained it when I asked a while ago. It looks like the max bet on red has doubled twice since you wrote this though: The overall max is always 10 BTC. This means you can bet 10 BTC on red itself, as long as you have no other wagers. If instead you bet 1 BTC on anything else, then you can bet up to 9 BTC on red.
For individual numbers, the maximum you can bet is more complicated. Basically, the maximum stake you can have in any single number is 1 BTC. So, you can bet up to 2 BTC on the 1,2 Split, and up to 4 BTC on the 1,2,4,5 Corner. This calculation can get somewhat complicated at times: for example, if you have a 0.1 BTC wager on 1 Straight, then you can only wager up to 1.8 BTC on the 1,2 Split - because any more would give you too much stake in the 1. Note though, that we don't count "outer wagers" toward individual numbers in this formula. This means you can wager 1 BTC on Odd, and still wager up to a full 1 BTC on the 1 (even though you technically already have 1/18th BTC stake on the 1).
Thanks, I like the old explanation better! Also, I just tried looking at the max bets in blackjack but was shown this error page:
Ah, sorry about that. We had an error live for a few minutes which was triggered by cashing out of a table, but it should be fixed now. Edit: I've added a small comp to your account to thank you for finding and telling us about that bug. Thanks! |
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20 BTC per hand??? Holy Jebus.
Yup! I believe we offer the highest stakes bitcoin blackjack around. So I can go bet the house on red? Or maxed @ 2btc?
In Roulette, you can bet up to 40 BTC on "outer wagers". So, this means you can bet up to 40BTC on red, or 40 BTC on "1st 12", etc. The 2 BTC limit is for the individual "inner bet" numbers. But, you can bet more than 2 BTC if the bet is split between 2 numbers. E.g. you can bet up to 4 BTC on the 1,2 split, and 6 BTC on the 1,2,3 Street. The maximum for inner bets is 2 BTC stake on an individual number. |
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In celebration of the new year, We have doubled (or more) the maximum bet in all our games! You can now wager up to 20 BTC per hand in blackjack, 40 BTC per spin in roulette (with up to 2 BTC stake per number), 2 BTC per hand in video poker, and up to 4 BTC per wager type per roll in craps (which actually allows you to wager very large amounts if you have multiple wagers on the table).
Let the high stakes gambling begin!
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That's all very cool. I tried it out and it seems to work well. I auto-registered, bookmarked the URL, used the URL to log in, deposited, played, added a username and password, and withdrew.
I'm glad it all worked well for you, and thanks for testing it out! One small criticism I guess would be that at first glance it still looks like bitzino requires registration. The "username/password" fields at the top, along with the "register" link makes it look like a traditional site where registration is compulsory, and so may still put off the lazy/casual player. I don't have a clear picture of how it could be better, but thought I'd point it out anyway. Other than that, I think this is a great improvement! Flip it around, so auto register is on top and then you get the option to create an account. As is, it seems like just another button at the bottom of a form & I would personally be "ad blind" to that area, my eyes would skip it because it is below the text entry fields. This is a good idea! We've gone ahead and made this change: flipping the order, so the "Auto-Register" option is now first on the registration page. This way, the more astute users will still probably read the whole thing and still be aware of the fact that they can register the old-fashioned way, whereas the casual browser will see the easier option displayed to them first. Oh, also after I deposited, the deposit didn't show up until I reloaded the page. I don't know if it's possible to detect the deposit and update my balance on-screen in real time, or even just provide a button to click to check for new deposits (on any screen where you display my deposit address), but that would be useful.
We've been working on an overhauled UI in this area for a while now, but I think in this case perfection is the enemy of progress. So, for now at least, I've added a simple "Refresh balance" link to the initial "To get started..." window. Also, where you write: Unconfirmed balance: 1000.00000 m฿
it would be useful if you could state how many confirmations are required in total. My deposit has one confirmation now, so strictly speaking it's not "unconfirmed", but it's still showing up as such. We typically only require 2 confirmation before we consider a deposit fully confirmed, however, in certain situations we do require more confirmations in order to protect us from double-spends. I'll think about how we can make this more informative to the user though. BitZino is one of the best game in the bitcoin market.
Thanks for the kind words |
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Due to popular demand, we now support playing for real bitcoins without registering. Or, as we call it, Auto-Registering. When you go to sign up for a new bitZino account, you now have two options, either provide a username and password combination, or just click a button. This is what our registration page looks like now:  If choose the Auto-Register option, you can log back in to your bitZino account at any time by just visiting your personal login URL. If you decide you want to add additional security to your account, you can always upgrade your auto-registered account's security by providing a username and password on your user settings page. Then, if you'd like, you can upgrade the security of your account even more by adding two-factor authentication. We hope that this new registration option will make it even easier for new players to come and give us a try, while still providing maximum security for players that choose to be more secure. |
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Thanks for the backup wachtwoord (and to you TradeFortress for retracting the post - I'm guilty of losing a few hundred bucks on your blackjack in the last few months, btw. No hard feelings).
I just saw this thread so I think I missed a few posts. But, just to clear up any potential confusion, I am the only authorized spokesperson for bitZino on these forums. TradeFortress is just helping us out by advertising us in his sig. I'm a big fan of StrikeSapphire, and definitely would never speak ill of you guys in any way. Now, good luck on the promotion! Let's hope the world doesn't end before the winners can spend their BTC |
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Just to reiterate, here's another person impressed with being able to play without registation: Very nice!
Not having to register makes if very easy for me to get my co-workers playing... I point them to the site, I bankroll them and they give me cash (I'll cash them out, too.) If they get lucky, then I get to buy some bitcoin when I cash them out!
Thanks for the info! We already have started work on this now, so it's good to know there will definitely be demand  |
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Thanks for the info! We have been considering adding the ability to play for BTC without registering for a while, but we just haven't really seen any demand so we've been focusing on other features. Now that I see some real demand for this in the wild, I think we'll prioritize this. Thanks!
https://bitcoinvideopoker.com/ has an interesting take on this. When you go there for the first time, they redirect you to a secret URL which you bookmark. That URL then acts as your credentials - you don't need a username or password. This is exactly the same scheme as is used by https://instawallet.org/. I would say it's a pretty bad one. People are using more and more devices - eg home PC, laptop, iPad, phone. Now of course you can use Chrome Sync or something, but the better way would be to have a guest AND registration option. Thanks for the feedback, both of you! We definitely won't take away the option to register with a regular username/password combo. We will probably just add the additional ability to use a bookmarked URL as your security credentials. I think we'll do something pretty similar to the instawallet approach, but we'll vary it slightly so that we still have a standard registration page, but on that page you have the option to either register the old fashioned way, or just bookmark a URL. The cool thing about this model is that we'll also be able to allow people to upgrade their accounts to a username/password if they want additional security down the road. So, someone can get started really quickly with a small deposit, and then add on a password and possibly 2-factor auth to their account as they play more. |
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I thought it was interesting that he was put off of bitzino by the need to register (which isn't even necessary for play money play anyway) and that it might be something you hadn't considered.
Thanks for the info! We have been considering adding the ability to play for BTC without registering for a while, but we just haven't really seen any demand so we've been focusing on other features. Now that I see some real demand for this in the wild, I think we'll prioritize this. Thanks! |
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Your overlay makes the rest of the screen brighter, not darker. Isn't it usual to darken the inactive part of the screen?
I've seen it go both ways, but you're right that it probably is more typical to darken. However, the rest of our interface is already so dark, making the overlay dark as well is just too much darkness. UI is hard :/ |
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I wonder if you could find an unobtrusive way of offering "all" and "none" buttons to mark all and none of the cards as held. Then when I get two pair I click 'all' then unhold the odd card. Less clicks, less chance of operator error.
I like this idea! We'll see if we can work out a good UI for this. Another feature that will help here is keyboard shortcuts. This has been on the back-burner for quite a while, but hopefully will be coming down the pipe soon. I don't think I ever managed to split to 4 hands before. It worked very smoothly. Nice! It's always good to know all the corner-cases hold up in the wild I think your overlay is too translucent. Making it more opaque would make it more obvious that the dialog is modal. Look how dim the 'more play tables' thing goes when the 'draw' button is active, and compare that to how dim the x2, +1, etc. buttons go when I open the 'more pay tables' dialog.
Yeah, I agree with you. We've tweaked the overlay by adding a subtle pattern as well as making it more opaque. I think it looks much better now. Thanks for all the valuable feedback! I've added 0.25 BTC to your account to thank you |
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http://play.luckco.in/ offers the same paytable on jacks or better but with a progressive jackpot. That makes their odds slightly better than yours. Currently betting 0.005 and hitting a royal flush pays a little over 5 BTC which is a bit silly because it makes the RTP bigger than 100%. On the other hand their game keeps going down due to programming errors, isn't provably fair, doesn't feel anywhere near as slick at bitzino, and is pretty slow. Our Jacks or Better pay table is a standard "Full Pay" pay table, which offers 99.54% RTP under optimal play. The games where we made tweaks were Double Bonus Poker and Double Double Bonus Poker, where we increased the payout of Straight Flushes up to 60 for 1, and also increased the payout of "4 Aces with a 2-4" up to 460 (instead of the standard 400 for 1). These adjustments bring these pay table's RTP above 99% (to 99.48% and 99.46%, respectively). We have taken great care to ensure our risk of ruin is minimal. As the player's edge increases, the risk of ruin for the house increases (when it's >= 100%, the risk of ruin for the house is guaranteed in the long run). So, in games where the RTP is above 100%, the player may think they're getting a good game, but in reality they're betting against the house going broke. The "more pay tables" element at bitzino looks like it will just expand that section of the gui, but it in fact opens a "modal" dialog. While it's open I'm unable to edit my bet or start a new hand. This would be clearer if opening the 'more pay tables' thing greyed out the rest of the interface, in the same way that being half-way through a hand greys out the "more pay tables" element.
Good call! We have changed the UI so that there is a translucent overlay over the rest of the UI, so that it's more obvious that this is a modal box. Finally, I wonder if it would be worth making the 'held' marking less subtle. I just played a bunch of hands, was dealt 2 pair, quickly clicked on the 4 cards I wanted to hold and clicked 'draw'. It only held 3 of the cards, so I guess one of my clicks missed, but I didn't notice. I think the little grey shadow that appears when I hover looks similar enough to the black 'held' that appears when I actually click that I was able to miss that fact that I had mis-clicked.
We took your advice and made the UI slightly less subtle - we added a few pixels to the height of the 'Held' marker, and removed a few pixels from the grey shadow which appears on mouseover. We didn't want to change things too much, but hopefully the small changes help to make a larger differentiation between the two, and makes it clear which cards are held. How about introducing a no zero roulette? Have a 0.1 BTC max bet and a 0.01 BTC min bet. You would still make money over the long run as you introduce people to bitzino, and a lot of people tend to keep gambling till they lose them all.
We have been considering doing something like this on a short-term basis in order to get users to try us out. However, we likely won't be offering anything like this on a permanent basis. Even at small limits, zero house edge games make the risk of ruin for the house guaranteed over a long enough timeframe (unless the games are Player vs Player, which is something we're planning on building). |
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We're excited to announce the launch of five new varieties of video poker to our lineup! In addition to the classic Jacks or Better video poker variant, we now offer: - Tens or Better
- Deuces Wild
- Bonus Poker
- Double Bonus Poker
- Double Double Bonus Poker
We have gone out of our way to ensure that we offer the best odds on all our games. We've tweaked the pay tables in order to ensure that all of our video poker variants have over 99% return-to-player. Check it out, and let me know what you think! https://bitzino.com/video_poker |
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Any chance of making slots? I think I remember seeing someone else trying a provably fair slot setup in here somewheres, I would be a happy camper if bitzino offered it.
Slots isn't on our immediate timeline. We're currently working on rolling out additional varieties of video poker. But, thanks for the feedback! Slots will come eventually, and if we get enough demand for it, it may come sooner rather than later And, like all of our games, it will definitely be provably fair. We also will make sure to do it in a way that correctly simulates true spinning reel slots. Oh and can I get hooked up with an affiliate link please Would like to introduce bitzino to some friends of mine We don't have an affiliate program yet - another feature we're working on |
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I've seen it happen twice and I've played a lot less than 1000 spins.
I often come up against runs of the same colour, but usually they max out around 8 in a row. Twice I have hit 10 and been eaten up.
To be fair, I probably spun about 5000 times. How it goes I guess. Ah well, still not down as much on roulette as I am on SD lol.
If you guys are interested, I'd be happy to send you CSVs of your spin history so you can do some deeper statistical analysis. Dooglus, looking at your account, it looks like you've actually played 1244 roulette spins  |
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 I figured I'd round out the all-red and all-black screenshots with an all-green one. Note that this screenshot is totally fake though You'd probably have a better chance of mining a block with a vacuum-tube CPU than ever seeing this happen. |
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It would be nice to have an option for whether the 2-factor auth is required only for withdrawal and changing security settings, or for every login. For me, having an attacker lose my balance to the house would be just as upsetting as having them withdraw it to their own address.
We've added the option to require 2-factor auth when logging in. Thanks for the feedback! Thanks, but it's a day too late. It looks like an attacker got into my account yesterday and lost my whole balance. It looks like he played a dumb martingale strategy on roulette and hit 10 blacks in a row. Yeah, that's probably what happened alright... It looks like the attacker came from your IP address. Are you sure that the attacker didn't break into your home specifically to play on bitZino under your account? You may want to beef up your physical security Hmm, I've got errors about it being open in another window or something frequently when I was playing on my iPhone over 3G. When I logged into my laptop and stopped playing it on my iPhone, same problem. Couldn't play / bet blackjack at all. Is this a known issue with accessing it from mobile browsers?
Hm, I can't seem to replicate this issue. I just tested it out on my ipod touch, and it worked correctly for me. That error will show up if you leave a browser window open, and go on to play the same game in another window or on another computer, and then come back to the original game and try to play (Basically, anytime your game is out of sync). You can ensure that error never happens by just refreshing the page before you start a new session. Also, the error should cause the page to refresh, so it should happen at most once. We did have a buggy release live for a few hours the other day, and you may have been affected by it. Would you mind testing again if you get a chance? |
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