Um, no. This script traces back an address, to find where a specific transaction originated (in this case someone was branching off 0.04 every time and who wrote it wanted to figure out where that originated). What you linked just gives the first seen date for a specific address (aka the first transaction). Entirely different things. |
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I pointed the steps out to buying bitcoins in another thread, that alone seemed tough, bank account to dwolla to MTGOX with a pretty big delay when trying to buy bitcoins at certain prices.
This may be an issue specific to US people... personally I could just do a regular SEPA transfer to an exchange I believe, and have the funds in my exchange account fairly quickly. Not to mention that the focus should IMO not be on 'buying Bitcoins' at all - they're not Facebook credits. It's way more productive if you actually sell products or services for Bitcoin, or accept them as donations, etc. Another problem that just got me last week where I messed up, is on MTGOX I was trying to put a buy order in for bitcoins at 12.4 USD per coin but I accidently hit sell bitcoins and it sold all my bitcoins for 12.4. Then that part is instant of course, no time for mistakes, no one to call to retract it, no confirmation to make you read over the decision and confirm like most spots use.
That is an exchange-specific issue, has nothing to do with Bitcoin itself. THe wallet is a mystery for most,
Of course it is, it's something new. Just back it up and encrypt it (this should be easier with built-in encryption) and you should be fine. mining is pretty technical for sure as a newbie,
If you don't understand mining, you should probably not be doing it - in fact, mining is NOT an essential part of using Bitcoins as an 'end-user'. A lot of people are blinded by the whole 'mining earns me money' thing, and when they don't earn a fortune in a few days, they ditch all of Bitcoin. I think that is more of an issue than the difficulty of starting to mine. if you dont know coding or writing a script, it gets pretty tough.
Pretty tough to do what? |
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Now how would this sentence look in your eyes?
"I am going to buy a can of soda for B1,00 or something like that."
Doesn't look that hard to interpret, right?
Not hard to interpret, no - but a little bit weird and rather unimaginative for a new currency symbol, yes. As I said: I'm not complaining about ambiguity. I think we really can do better at choosing a currency symbol for something as new and innovative as Bitcoin than just recycling some other heavily used symbol. I think that in terms of people having to get used to aspects of Bitcoin, getting used to the currency symbol is the least of our worries. |
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"Hmm this guy seems nice, i should google him to be sure... 'wtf.. scammer? o.O'... better get a different lawyer just to be safe..."
i think someone killed their career :/ though he may will sue the site owner. though as far as damage to his name, i think that is all on him and he would have a hard time proving otherwise in court. i wonder if he made it into wikipedia yet as 'the idiot that tried to trademark the bitcoin name". hope he doesn't have any kids :/
* joepie91 quietly mumbles something about 'don't fuck with the internet'... |
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Why can't we have a more imaginative symbol instead of B? And another color instead of gold/orange.
There are several colors that are automatically associated with certain characteristics. For example, gold/yellow and green are often associated with money, value, or worth, whereas blue is often associated with trust (ever wondered why so many banks use blue?). Things like that are actually rather important. There's no ambiguity between the use of ß as a currency symbol with numbers, and the use of it in written German, whether you are using prefix or postfix notation.
There $ure i$n't, but $eriou$ly, how doe$ thi$ $entence look in your eye$ - plea$e be hone$t? There are good reasons to use an entirely new symbol: It is from the de-facto standard Bitcoin-logo, has resemblance to other currency symbols but is easily distinguishable from the Thai Baht symbol. We could submit a proposal to the Unicode Consortium and simply use BTC wherever necessary until there is an official character which is included in standard typesets. It was more or less the same with € and EUR in the beginning of its days. Now how would this sentence look in your eyes? "I am going to buy a can of soda for B1,00 or something like that." Doesn't look that hard to interpret, right? |
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Isn't filtering it, and blocking sites actually protecting predators, and creating a false sense of security for parents?
Can it be that this guy and many lawmakers aren't just after profits, but pedophiles themselves?
Now I think that would be stretching it a bit much, but not impossible. |
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The Wiki for the businesses doesn't show the traffic to each one, or people's ratings of them. It's very hard to know which sites are good or not other than randomly guessing.
I don't think this is something bitcoin.org should be involved with. "Customer review" sites typically tend to attract a lot of fighting, slander, abuse, and other annoying consequences, and it would be a bad idea to distract the people taking care of Bitcoin.org and the wiki in general, by something like that. There are already review sites for Bitcoin businesses. Ageed, I'm just waiting for blackandyellowpages.com to come online There's http://www.bitcoinsreview.com/, there's also another site of which I forgot the name/URL (anyone?), and there's the Bitcoin Shitlist coming up. |
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“Child pornography is great,” the man said enthusiastically. “Politicians do not understand file sharing, but they understand child pornography, and they want to filter that to score points with the public. Once we get them to filter child pornography, we can get them to extend the block to file sharing.”The date was May 27, 2007, and the man was Johan Schlüter, head of the Danish Anti-Piracy Group (Antipiratgruppen). He was speaking in front of an audience from which the press had been banned; it was assumed to be copyright industry insiders only. It wasn’t. Christian Engström, who’s now a Member of the European Parliament, Oscar Swartz, and I were also there. “My friends,” Schlüter said. “We must filter the Internet to win over online file sharing. But politicians don’t understand that file sharing is bad, and this is a problem for us. Therefore, we must associate file sharing with child pornography. Because that’s something the politicians understand, and something they want to filter off the Internet.” “We are developing a child pornography filter in cooperation with the IFPI and the MPA so we can show politicians that filtering works,” he said. “Child pornography is an issue they understand.” Schlüter grinned broadly. Read more: http://torrentfreak.com/the-copyright-lobby-absolutely-loves-child-pornography-110709/ So, what numerous people have been saying for years, is now finally being confirmed. How morally low can you go to 'turn a profit'? |
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It doesn't matter how many unused webstores you erect on the internet with wickedly overpriced goods if no one transacts on those sites. This is like that thread where the guy is claiming that the bitcoin economy is doing awesome because the filesize of the page that lists bitcoin "merchants" is expanding. Nevermind the fact that the majority of those links are broken, no longer accept bitcoin, or have never done a single transaction in bitcoins.
Ok. I'll bite. Again. What have you done for Bitcoin? |
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Do people seriously pay 4 times as much for an SD card on brand?
In some cases, yes. Then again, people also pay twice the amount of money for a pot of brand-name peanut butter, while the brand-less peanut butter is exactly identical and from the same factory. That's how it works, apparently. Now I get your point, but this: If this is the best "market" we're gonna get for Bitcoin, then boy is Bitcoin fucked.
is just ridiculous. Do you really think this is going to be the single cheapest Bitcoin store in existence? Does the fact that one store is relatively expensive (and well, it seems that's mostly due to Amazon charging through the roof, as their markup doesn't seem to be that big), REALLY say anything about how Bitcoin as a concept is going to succeed or fail? Just think about it rationally for a second. Yeah, for that, I apologize. It's early morning for me, and that reads, well. A lot harsher than I was aiming when I typed it. :/ Things like this *will* be how Bitcoin will get bootstrapped into a 'real economy'. Yes, it may be expensive right now, but the fact that there *are* stores that sell a lot of things for Bitcoins, is something very important for the 'image' people have of Bitcoin. When some company invents something new (say, the Philips Wake Up Light), do discounters immediately have a cheap no-brand alternative for it? No, it takes time.
It will be the same here. First the 'regular' stores pop up, before serious discounters appear.
The problem is, I'm not comparing the prices to Wal-Mart. I'm comparing the dog food prices to the name brand food at the "high end pet store" in my area. I'm not comparing this place to the discounters. He wants more than twice for the cans of dog food as the most expensive dog food I've seen at the most expensive pet store in my area. If I compare the prices to Wal-Mart, then it's more than four times the cost -- but that wasn't the comparison I made, because, no, I don't expect the discounters to be the first that appear... If the price was double the cost of the store brand dog food at Wal-Mart I wouldn't have even made a post. But it's not double the cost at Wal-Mart. It's more than double the cost of the "fancy" dog food at the local pet store. More than double the cost of the most expensive brand they sell. That's not "not being a serious discounter", that's gouging. Ok, I thought you were comparing it to the local Wal-Mart or similar. In that case it may indeed be over the top, but did you also compare it to the price of these products on for example Amazon? From what I have seen so far, it seems Amazon is charging through the roof for things, and he doesn't have *that* much markup (which basically means he should probably be looking for a different supplier). |
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The 16GB card is 5.58btc, at 14.5 USD/BTC that is $80.91. They are about $20 on Amazon. Thats a huge difference.
Are you comparing the exact same products? Comparing generic SD brand #1 against generic SD brand #2 is not going to help much. That's the reason I only compared products of a specific brand. |
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Even if electricity was free, bandwidth isn't free either.
With bitp.it's javascript miner we were getting 700 requests per second. Sure we didn't have to pay for the browser electricity, but the bandwidth usage was insane.
tanstaafl
Where are you hosting/what is your host charging? I know that for example Hurricane Electric charges people colocating in their datacenter ~$1 / TB of traffic... I can't imagine a bunch of javascript miners causing so much traffic that it would cost you a lot. |
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Now let's compare that to buying a prepaid timecard in a physical supermarket. Pretend you're the CFO going to pitch the adoption of a timecard system.
Everyone knows what a timecard is. No one knows what a bitcoin is. See the difference? I actually had to guess from the name (and then Google to verify) to find out what a timecard is. That you (and a bunch of friends) know what something is, does not mean the entire world knows. |
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Now I get your point, but this: If this is the best "market" we're gonna get for Bitcoin, then boy is Bitcoin fucked.
is just ridiculous. Do you really think this is going to be the single cheapest Bitcoin store in existence? Does the fact that one store is relatively expensive (and well, it seems that's mostly due to Amazon charging through the roof, as their markup doesn't seem to be that big), REALLY say anything about how Bitcoin as a concept is going to succeed or fail? Just think about it rationally for a second. Things like this *will* be how Bitcoin will get bootstrapped into a 'real economy'. Yes, it may be expensive right now, but the fact that there *are* stores that sell a lot of things for Bitcoins, is something very important for the 'image' people have of Bitcoin. When some company invents something new (say, the Philips Wake Up Light), do discounters immediately have a cheap no-brand alternative for it? No, it takes time. It will be the same here. First the 'regular' stores pop up, before serious discounters appear. give this guy a break. It's a free market. Merchants are free to charge whatever they want. If his stuff is too expensive, he will soon realize that no one is buying. Either he'll drop his price to be something more realistic or he'll move on, thats how the market works.
I'm sure 99% of bitcoin owners right now are the type of people who can easily compare prices between several websites to see what they are buying is too expensive or not.
Also, this. |
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@Jalum why would they have to explain to people how to get and use bitcoins? do they do they same for credit cards or other payment methods? they can just offer it as another payment method? people who already have bitcoins could pay in bitcoins. people who see bitcoin as a payment option and are interested could find out for themselves how to get them. some big companies already accept payment in bitcoin. e.g. Wuala (part of LaCie) http://www.wuala.com/en/bitcoinfrom the merchant side, there are solutions already that automatically price the product/service in bitcoins at the going rate of USD and convert the bitcoins to USD so the seller has no fx risk of holding bitcoins if they don't want to. Essentially from the sellers point of view they price in USD and receive USD but the customer can pay in bitcoin. Why wouldn't a company want to allow their customers to pay in bitcoin if they want to? I noticed that both Wuala and SmartFTP have pretty much an identical text on their Bitcoin page... are they part of the same company? http://www.wuala.com/en/bitcoin vs. http://smartftp.com/bitcoin/ |
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Please pretend you're the Blizzard CFO and you're about to pitch to the board of directors and shareholders on how the company should accept this new internet currency. What would the Blizzard explanation be for people who want to use bitcoins?
1. Make an account at Dwolla.
2. Transfer money into that account using a bank account.
3. Wait 5-7 days.
4. Once money is in Dwolla, create account at magic the gathering online exchange.
5. Deposit money into mtgox. Oh, is it a weekend? Wait until Monday.
6. Run bitcoin client, get 48 character long wallet address. Whatever you do, do not lose this text file.
7. Bid on $15 worth of bitcoins on mtgox, the price of which fluctuates every moment. So you might need half a bitcoin or 3 bitcoins.
8. Once your bid is accepted, you now own (0.5-3.0) bitcoin. Transfer those to your wallet (we recommend using CTRL+C then CTRL+V unless you're very good at typing long strings of characters).
9. Ok, now time to send us the bitcoin(s). If it's the weekend, please wait until Monday.
10. Launch the bitcoin client and make sure your text file wallet contains the bitcoin(s) you purchased from mtgox.
11. Check the mtgox exchange and determine exactly how many bitcoins are required to cover your $15 monthly. Remember that bitcoins are divisible to eight points beyond the decimal, so the correct amount to equal $15 might be 0.98776531 bitcoins.
12. Send it to this address xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Again be very very careful to type this in correctly.
13. Once you have confirmed that you sent it, log into your Battle.net account and navigate to the bitcoin payment option.
14. Enter in all your information, along with the blockchain reference link from Bitcoin Explorer that shows you sent the correct amount from your bitcoin wallet to ours.
15. Click redeem and your account will be queued for verification.
16. Bitcoin transaction verification can take minutes to days, depending on the processing power currently allocated to the bitcoin P2P network.
17. Once verified, you will receive an email confirming that the transaction has been verified.
18. You can now log in. Have fun in Azeroth!
I then imagine the board of directors all rise from their seats and a slow clap spread around the room, but it then quickly gains in intensity and speed. Men and women in business suits lift their arms and scream at the ceiling in exultation.
You are a titan of industry.
Now let's compare that to buying a prepaid timecard in a physical supermarket. Pretend you're the CFO going to pitch the adoption of a timecard system. 1. Turn off the monitor. 2. Grab your coat and put it on. 3. Walk out of the front door. 4. Walk to the supermarket, be very careful that you don't get hit by a car. 5. Arrive at the supermarket. 6. Supermarket is closed because in your area everything closes on sundays? Bummer, have to wait until monday. 7. Otherwise, walk into the store and walk to the counter. 8. Ask for a WoW timecard - be careful that you don't buy the wrong amount of timecards. 9. Take out your card out of your wallet. 10. Pay for the timecard(s). 11. Get handed over the timecard(s). 12. Walk out of the store. 13. Walk home carefully, again being careful to not get hit by a car - you could get hospitalized. 14. Search for your keys and open the door. 15. Hang up your coat. 16. Sit behind the computer and turn on your monitor. 17. Enter your timecard code to activate it. 18. You can now log in. Have fun in Azeroth! I then imagine the board of directors all rise from their seats and a slow clap spread around the room, but it then quickly gains in intensity and speed. Men and women in business suits lift their arms and scream at the ceiling in exultation. You are a titan of industry. |
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Why do people not think things through? Youth?
Because not everyone takes 'the easy way out' if something seems unlikely to succeed, and some people actually show some persistance. |
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