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Haha, sometimes this forum community brings some epic entertainment. My guess is people are hoping the code will function if they use it quickly enough. Now to wait and see if someone complains about bad Amazon codes they bought from someone with a scammer tag.
Internet equivalent of buying things from the back of a van.
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I'm taking this to the next level, Percy.
Bid of 0.1 BTC
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It's pretty silly to say you disbursed funds to "charity" rather than just credit back the advertisers. I can't imagine many people expecting that sort of thing.
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Even AT&T doesn't try to retroactively apply terms. If there was an amount owed prior to term changes the amount doesn't magically disappear. What happens is that as of the changed term date you apply the new terms.
The sly business way to reduce the impact of this is to insert an arbitration clause and specifically prohibit class actions (thanks US Supreme Court 5-4 vote /sarcasm).
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You are describing financial regulations, for that you should deal with financially regulated companies. I personally have no wish to see BTC taken over by any government's financial framework. It's a tough problem, imo this is a great opportunity to see if open sourcing security completely would actually be effective. If the whole process is completely transparent then people can decide for themselves whether to use a BTC service. Reason there isn't a consolidated resource is because people and companies make a lot of money in the computer security sector. You can find a lot of good information piecemeal but the "how" of putting it all together has extra value from the hoarding of that knowledge. So how about starting a wiki on the framework for recoverable and resilient systems? For instance, binlogging to an encrypted disk on a server in a different datacenter, because that would fix issues with deleted databases. And HSM devices or some equivalent for storing private keys. And daily and hourly backups to systems outside of the core network. Encrypted of course.
What other ideas do people have?
Very true. And, the "how" often changes so rapidly that maintaining a comprehensive resource on it is not workable. What I want to see is a list of minimum standards that should be expected from businesses dealing with our money. Simply a framework of technologies that you have to stir together in the right proportions, and a list of potential consequences of omitting one or more of them. |
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Reason there isn't a consolidated resource is because people and companies make a lot of money in the computer security sector. You can find a lot of good information piecemeal but the "how" of putting it all together has extra value from the hoarding of that knowledge. So how about starting a wiki on the framework for recoverable and resilient systems? For instance, binlogging to an encrypted disk on a server in a different datacenter, because that would fix issues with deleted databases. And HSM devices or some equivalent for storing private keys. And daily and hourly backups to systems outside of the core network. Encrypted of course.
What other ideas do people have?
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Even if they re-acquired the database, it's worthless for purposes of payouts, the trust chain is broken. Unless they kept up to date hash information on the database information they could verify records with, extremely unlikely. IMO, they should have had an EULA that said "this site is for entertainment purposes only, no losses will be covered". This is also why non-financial institutions like to sell you a point system such as MS Points, Riot Points, whatever Sony's is called instead of keep a currency account open. Because buried in the terms for their points is the legal equivalent of "no guarantees". @zhoutong
So the accounting stuff says I had some past balance or deposit and the amount of funds I claimed was in the ballpark of this. What now? My fake claim still goes through.
Let me make myself very clear here.
There is but ONE solution where Bitcoinica does not necessarily go bust.
You have to retrieve the database!
Do it either by posting a bounty or by catching the hacker.
Every passing day without database increases the likelihood for it to be entirely forged once it is released!
Blitz out.
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Stealing monopoly money is still stealing. But just as you realistically won't get police and prosecutors to bust their butts to convict a monopoly money thief, you will have to sue using civil means to recoup losses. It seems Bitcoinica was mixing currency and BTC along with granting interest, so aggrieved parties could probably attract the interest of the financial regulators of the country they were registered in (NZ?). My point still stands : they can refund all the USD and not give one satoshi back and nobody can do a damn thing.
Just because there is no legal precedent for Bitcoins doesn't mean that a legal precedent won't be set. Also, what's your point? Why does that matter? If they give back everyone's BTC, then they give it back. If they don't, then they don't. How does that change anything in the discussion here? He's campaigning for unpunishable BTC fraud, for selfish reasons. I am telling Intersango and Bitcoinica to take the BTC and run ! Only give back the USD and everybody is happy. Why should they buy up another 18K and raise the price  Because for one thing, they can forget their careers and close their shops if they do. In other words: We don't know what you want. But if you are looking for ransom we can tell you we don't have any Bitcoins anymore.
But what we DO have are a very particularly set of skills, skills we have acquired over a very long career in the Bitcoin forum
Skills that make us a nightmare for people like you. If you let our BtC go now we will not look for you, we will not pursue you.
But if you don't - we will look for you, we will find you, and we will kill your reputation in and outside of the Bitcoin world.Funny thing is that now stealing BTC is legal but harassment like what you described above isn't. Anyway, let's not get sidetracked here. I want my $1 bonus back !  |
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Not sure why there isn't more community pushback on trying to apply AML rules to Bitcoin. One of the main reasons behind Bitcoin is to be an unrestricted digital exchange method, correct? It's understandable for exchanges that directly convert BC to currency, since they take on that obligation by dealing with currency. But currency exchanges should only be a small part of the BC system as it grows if it is to achieve it's initial goals.
Applying AML rules to a purely BC transaction is terrible, imo.
Note: Bulanula's mistake was not sticking to the "no refunds" line in a repetitive manner. IMO, if he stuck to that without getting goaded into making diatribes then he would have been in the same situation as CoinURL (Not technically a scammer, just someone to not do business with).
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Roughly 400W, calculators are conservative. They don't want to be blamed for your CheapPower 10000W power supply going up in smoke running a 5770.
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Just because someone can't claw back their money through a bank or credit card company, doesn't preclude people from behaving civilly. It's just no one can strong arm you into obeying any rules. The way some people talk, they are the type who would snatch $20 they saw fall from a persons pocket and think "finders keepers, should have kept a better eye on your money sucker." No bitcoin cops to do anything to you but you're still being a massive jerk-off.
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AFAIK MSI warranties by serial, should check if RMA repair is an option.
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Uses those Nvidia PCI-E routing chips, might be interesting for running 8 single GPU cards. Anyone know how well Linux supports these NF200 PCI-E routing chips? Doesn't seem that great though, since it takes 2 PCI-E connections to then get 4. Better off trying something like this: http://www.anandtech.com/Gallery/Album/730 |
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I think you'd be better off selling it to a gamer. As was mentioned, Bitcoiners would be pricing it against the 5970.
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Side topic comment: I leave my fans at 86% fixed, haven't had the same trouble as some others with the 5830 Sapphire (BitcoinXtreme versions lol). Small sample size but judging from what I've read from datacenter studies, Google has published several, reliability isn't that different between low and high for most computer parts. Main exception if I remember right was hard drives which both Google and Microsoft have found are the least resilient to high temperature and constant use.
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Is that a whole PC price, might want to list the components? If not, $250 per 5870 is quite steep.
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Exactly what I was referring to mila, some people are subject to conduct codes through various titles, professional memberships, or regulatory rules. It's important to keep in mind obligations can suddenly "stretch" if something is getting a lot of bad publicity.
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Only comes into play if the government starts treating BTC as equal to reserve currency. I think they'd at least need to pass a law or publish an executive branch legal finding. IMO, it's the tax man you have to worry about.
Now if anyone involved in this maintains a financial certification or title, that might change their personal risk situation.
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