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1  Other / Meta / Re: Ban appeal - TradeFortress; re theymos dox on: September 21, 2015, 05:36:30 AM

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Why you were banned is highlighted above.

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Regardless, no matter how your story changes with each answer, I wish you luck in finding out what you are trying to find out.

Unfortunately your post is riddled with inaccurate assertions, more speculation (eg: Yes I was manually banned; saying you don't believe me IS speculation!, the autoban is not the blacklisted URLs tool -- I know what that tool does!), et cetra -- despite me requesting you not to speculate. Your definition of speculation may be substantially different to the common and dictionary definition of speculation.

I'd elaborate but that will further derail this topic, so I'll only respond to points you've raised that are actually relevant to this thread:

(1) And this post is about why I don't think the ban is justified by the reasoning theymos gave, as my intent of posting the directions is not to troll or annoy but to discuss the topic of theymos's dox / auto bans, the apparent double standard and provide a correction to your incorrect directions of theymos's dox (seeing that what you posted were okay).

(2) When did my story every change? Perhaps you're misassuming what you think is happening with what I said?

(3) To re-iterate: Your comments implying that I was autobanned and not manually banned by theymos is manifestly incorrect. I was manually banned.

I'm confident that you have done far more harm and created more misinformation than what you've achieved by 'addressing meta threads'. While I still think you are posting in good faith, you have been extremely disruptive in this thread (and others) with incorrect statements, pure conjecture, and off-topic speculation and I'd like to ask you to stop posting in this thread.

I also hope that you have been responding in good faith. If not, you've just lost all the respect I've ever had for you.
2  Other / Meta / Re: Ban appeal - TradeFortress; re theymos dox on: September 21, 2015, 04:45:53 AM
I still don't follow what you are saying. Nothing I said was incorrect. You are arguing that you shouldn't have been auto banned for posting a link that you knew caused you to be autobanned?

I've never posted a link. I've posted directions to where theymos's dox could be found, with as much specificity as you did:

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Nope, there is a meta thread in meta named something along the lines of Staff Member information, or Staff Dox, and it has info about 3 or 4 staff members, including volunteered information. Again, that thread has Theymos' dox in it as well. Even though people can't find these threads, I've posted in them personally, so they weren't just threads I've seen in passing.

And no, I wasn't autobanned, I was manually banned by theymos.

Since you seem to be clearly unaware of what's going on (given by your repeated statements thinking that anyone posted links, your incorrect claims that there are any threads with theymos's dox in them, and your previous speculation that Xian01 got banned for something /other/ than posting theymos's dox), perhaps it's best to not speculate aimlessly? Especially in a thread that I've specifically structured, in order to avoid further off-topic, misinformed speculation from you?
3  Other / Meta / Ban appeal - TradeFortress; re theymos dox on: September 21, 2015, 04:08:25 AM
If you're going around posting people's personal information for no real reason other than just to annoy them, then that's trolling, which is not allowed.

Thanks for your response. I'd point out that there is a real conflict of interest created where staff members are able to self-adjudicate if there is a "real reason" and other members do not have this opportunity nor the benefit of doubt; but that's not very significant.

I think if you review my posts in this thread, especially in connection with posts other people have made in this thread, you can see that my purposes is to discuss the apparent double standard in doxxing, and the automatic bans given -- not to troll or to annoy. Let me elaborate:

My post was made in this thread in response to SaltySpitoon's comments, including:

I don't know anything about your ban, but I have personally seen two or three threads with Theymos dox in them on this site with no consequence to the OP or anyone else involved. I would expect that it was something else that you did. I don't have the info to know for certain, but that would be my first guess based on the info given.

and

Nope, there is a meta thread in meta named something along the lines of Staff Member information, or Staff Dox, and it has info about 3 or 4 staff members, including volunteered information. Again, that thread has Theymos' dox in it as well. Even though people can't find these threads, I've posted in them personally, so they weren't just threads I've seen in passing.

When someone posts incorrect information that you know is incorrect, generally people have a tendency to correct it (if they care). I came across SaltySpitoon's incorrect speculation ("no consequence") and misinformed directions ("Staff Dox"), and rebutted those with my post.  

As you have said that the ban is for trolling, not for posting accurate theymos dox, then the actual accuracy of dox is irrelevant. Only the intent of the poster, and if the poster believes the dox is accurate is relevant.

My post mentioned a location where your dox can be found. The location I gave was not as specific as SaltySpitoon has said (see underlined). The only difference is that SaltySpitoon's directions were incorrect, while my directions were correct, but since you said the ban is for trolling (which is intent, not content), that should be irrelevant.

Again, if you review my posts you should be able to see that my intent was to add consideration to this thread and respond to incorrect claims/speculation made by SaltySpitoon, not to annoy or troll. I'd like to request a review of my ban.

Right now, the actions being taken creates the impression that you are banning people based on if they post your dox (or directions to dox), and not for trolling as you say.
4  Other / Meta / Re: Why is non-consensual release of personal information allowed? on: September 21, 2015, 04:01:00 AM
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@SaltySpitoon: I disagree. That's not what happened in my case. You gave relatively specific directions to where you believed theymos's dox could be found, because you seemed to believe that people have posted his dox w/o real consequence. I gave relatively specific directions to where theymos' dox could be found to correct your information, with the impression that what you posted was OK.

Neither of these circumstances involved trolling, or posting it for the purposes to annoy someone. This is looking like theymos is indiscriminately banning people, excessively I would say, in order to assert his power and prevent his dox from being disseminated -- not for moderation principles of trolling, spam, et al.
5  Other / Meta / Re: Why is non-consensual release of personal information allowed? on: September 20, 2015, 04:21:40 PM
I think the point is that if true we have a double standard is all.

That's mainly my point, but there's no need for "if true". It is true, and you can easily prove it yourself -- right now.

Try posting a specific 10 digit Google Voice number, or a specific street address. You will see https://i.imgur.com/EZifOg6.png with an automatic permanent ban.
6  Other / Meta / Re: Why is non-consensual release of personal information allowed? on: September 20, 2015, 01:48:55 AM
The ban text was for Trolling.

Outrageous.

Same here Roll Eyes
7  Other / Meta / Re: Why is non-consensual release of personal information allowed? on: September 20, 2015, 01:38:59 AM
SaltySpitoon, you are severely misinformed on this matter and I'd like to request that you stop speculating, especially since you have the moderator distinction. I respect you and trust that you are not intentionally providing misinformation.

My account, TradeFortress, was banned for mentioning that theymos bans anyone who posts his dox, and a popular bitcoin website where you can find such dox. That reply in this thread was deleted and I received a ban for "trolling". As I'm sure you can understand, there can be no justification that discussing theymos banning people for posting dox, in a thread about "non-consensual release of personal information" is "spam" or "trolling".

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Sorry Tf | Banned for mentioning theymo.s dox, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
Trolling (45 days)

My understanding is that you are allowed to make an alt account to post in meta and appeal your ban, which is what I am doing.

The automatic ban is not for links, etc. It is for a 10 digit Google voice number in any substring, along with other strings of text and/or numbers. The automatic ban triggers even on substrings -- eg: "dasdasfasf1234567890fsdfds" would be automatically blocked and banned, if 1234567890 was the forbidden number.

I am not sure of your knowledge of the GLBSE fiasco, but back in 2012 when that happened there were numerous semi-substantiated accusations that theymos scammed by failing in his fiduciary duty as a GLBSE stakeholder. I, a GLBSE user who lost money in its shutdown, will be permanently banned if I make a scam accusation against him and post his dox.

Finally, to further refute your "it's banned because people spam it", which is a ridiculous fallacy: There's no undeleted posts about his dox in this forum. Your claim would be proven if you post his dox once, and your post doesn't get deleted. If other "spam" posts get deleted, sure, that will in fact prove your point. The fact is, theymos is blanket banning the posting of his dox, AND selectively banning people who mention the blanket banning of his dox.

Let me make that clear: If theymos has scammed you and you post his dox, you WILL be banned. If you even MENTION that theymos bans people who posts his dox, you can be hit with a 45 day ban for "trolling". SaltySpitoon, you're clearly unaware of what actions are actually being undertaken here. Please don't speculate like you have been and claim that as fact.
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