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without doubt neo, too, keep
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Take a look at my wallet on ahashpool.com and you can see what I'm bringing in and what algorithms it mines. https://www.ahashpool.com/wallet.php?wallet=1Q3HQdXLuiTpmgZo9Mt24Bomee8HyiWRsvIt's pretty all over the place. You can get multipoolminer here: https://github.com/aaronsace/MultiPoolMinerNote that the current release version doesn't have ahashpool.com, but the current build does. I've been using it for a long time so I was able to implement it pretty easily since it is the exact same miningpool as Zpool. Note that ahashpool.com has the bug fixed that was likely causing Zpool not to payout the full amount that was expected. |
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Well personally I have 7 - Nvidia 1080's and 1 - Nvidia 1080Ti. Using Multipoolminer on ahashpool.com I pull in about $8-10 per 1080 and about $12-14 on my 1080Ti.
Power usage I pay .13/kWh and end up paying about $160/month for the power to run them 24/7. So net I'm bringing in about $1900/mo right now.
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In my case is not the fees but the money not coming in at all. I have now over $200 “paid” and if you check the blockchain nothing has been sent in over a week. I try contacting them on twitter but nobody replies. So basically running away with the mining results randomly.
It may be paid out honestly the bitcoin block chain is backed up quite a bit. I have a payout on a different pool that has been sitting unconfirmed for almost 24 hours now. |
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You were correct STSMiner.... After changing the switching interval and the profit switching threshold, I am now seeing what I consider normal functionality. _________ New Question: Are any you using zpool and noticing you are not getting paid anywhere close to what Awesome Miner is saying you are earning? I mined all day and night with my test rig, and Awesome Miner was reporting a profit from $6/day to $18/day.... But on the zpool wallet page, it shows I have earned $3 in bitcoin.  There has been a long time speculation that there is something causing 20% loss of earnings in the exchange process. I discovered that the AverageIncrement function used to create a rolling average of the prices on the exchanges could return 80% of the input values if either of the inputs were 0. I've submitted a bug fix to the Yiimp git, but it has not been accepted yet. Ahashpool.com has implemented the bug fix long ago and I have found that it pays out much better than Zpool. The one drawback is that it does not have near the same number of algorithms and coins available. Specifically the Equihash implementation in Yiimp is private and not shared publicly. Zpool does still pay out better than what Nicehash used too, but there is an obvious bug that continues to go unfixed. There is a thread where evidence was presented that clearly showed that the exchange rates being given on mined coins was always 15-20% below the expected value at the time of payout. Its a hard discussion to win because everyone seems to doubt the validity and chalks up the evidence as somehow doctored or could be explained away by exchange price fluctuations. Hopefully Crackfoo comes to his senses and implements the bug fix. In fact I think people would be fine paying a 5-10% exchange fee if he were transparent about it. It costs money to run a pool and I don't think anyone expects him to do it for free. You also have to understand how pools like Zpool work and profit-switching in general. When you mine a coin that is "most profitable" in the moment, many, many rigs get pointed to it through the various profit-switching software and pools that are out there. This raises the difficulty on the coin causing it to slide down the ranks. The coins that you did mine at Zpool (or other services) then get sent to the exchange, where it may not be as profitable as it was when you first mined it. Depending on how fast the coin gets exchanged, it could be worth much less BTC. I have some Nist5 coin that I mined at Zpool that has been at the exchanges for over 2 weeks. This is why you should never set AM or any profit-switching algorithm to "current" statistics, but 24 hour averages or longer. Coins slide up and down from the top spot constantly, and you are chasing the tail of the spike if you are using current statistics. If you are in it for profit, then you are better off mining coins that average in the top 5, as you want consistent profit. I know perfectly well how the pool works. And you're right that you are chasing the potential quick profits, but what you also have to realize is when those coins "spike" in profits could be because there is a short term drop in difficult of the coin and therefore your hashing power for that period actually will generate you more of those coins of that type then it normally would. When the difficulty spikes back up to move onto a different more profitable coin. There is usually 2-3 algorithms that it will end up cycling throughout the day. The price fluctuations on the exchanges may also be the reason one coin becomes more profitable over another. It all depends on how things play out. In general though I can say that my hashing power using a program like Awesome Miner or Multipoolminer on a pool like Ahashpool.com far outperforms sticking to a single coin. As an example I look at whattomine.com and it says for my 7 - 1080's and 1 - 1080Ti based on 7 day difficulty and profitability I should be mining Monacoin and expecting .00253BTC a day. On ahashpool.com in that last 24h I've made closer to .004 My ahashpool wallet: https://www.ahashpool.com/wallet.php?wallet=1Q3HQdXLuiTpmgZo9Mt24Bomee8HyiWRsvwhattomine.com for the same: https://tinyurl.com/ycggbgr5And actually that isn't a full time with my 1080Ti because I play game with it and don't usually mine with it 24/7. |
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Actually, don't see it as trolling either. Jaerin is being ignored. I am also interested in this bug being fixed if it helps us all get 20% more profit. I mean, why not? It also benefits the pool owner, too.
I respect what you're doing, crackfoo, and I'm an avid miner on your pool, but AFAIK, you haven't addressed Jaerin directly about this issue, and when you finally did, it's calling him a troll. Doesn't sit well. Perhaps you're responding to those who says you're scamming them. I think it's a misunderstanding. If the 20% "fee" people are seeing is actually just a bug (sounds like the code is selling at the lowest possible rate to get a quick sell), then it's not really a scam. I know things can get emotional, and people calling you a scammer will shut you down from listening to other people.
However, if it's just an innocent thing like a bug, it can be fixed. I've seen you respond to people who are calling you scammers, but I haven't seen you respond to the legit posts of the code in question (from people like Jaerin).
So just to get the record straight, what IS your thoughts on this bug? You you be implementing a fix when YIIMP adds Jaerin's fix?
If this isn't the thread to respond about the bug, then respond in the thread that is. Either way, please respond directly about the bug and not the allegations.
Honestly, I think this IS the thread to post about it. After all, it's a thread about zPool, and this is about zPool.
It seems harsh at first read, but understanding the word: troll: dwarf person of scandanavia? i think this is not his intended use of the word. dragging something along? yes. obviously meets this definition. being an antagonizer? yes. pretty simple here. being harassing? yes. After repeated answers, its still brought up when not asked about... i think the definition is clear. IMHO It wasn't meant to belittle or denigrate him, he is simply fed up giving the same answers to Jaerin over and over again.... and is now being more curt and concise in his statement to him as I see it. Anyways; if the update happens on the main github release; I am sure it will be applied as an update.... until then; it is what it is. I am sure crackfoo caries this sentiment. My spot calcs so far have still been in acceptable bounds personally, and profitability is as expected... so in my eyes, its not a major issue to me and doesn't hurt my profitability. Over and over again? I haven't posted in this thread in months. When I did come back I posted the FIX to the bug in question and left it at that. There was no response or answer given about the bug so I posted an answer to a question about the earnings being lower than expected with the POSSIBLE conclusion that it was related to the bug I posted and left it at that. I even quoted Crackfoo to accurately point out that there was an exchange fee that wasn't reported on the site when it was in question by the thread upto that point to make sure they were accurately informed of how the pool operates. Where is the dead horse that I've been beating exactly? Where have I been dragging this out when it was 2 posts in months about it, and one of them was the actual fix for it. I never suggested anyone not mine here. I never claimed anyone was scamming or that there was any malicious intent at all. So what exactly is the trolling? We shouldn't point out potential bugs in the code and suggest fixes? All the people reporting when stratums are having problems are trolling too? I don't know about you, but I'd think that is maybe thinking that you would be helping the pool run better and more accurately. |
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It's not just a display issue. The AverageIncrement function is used all over the code not just the display, but also in the actual exchange pricing.
I'm not trying to troll or get people to stop mining here. I'm trying to help make this a better pool. I'm not sure why you think I'm trying to do otherwise. I have nothing to gain by encourage anyone to mine elsewhere. I have no reason to attack Zpool when I just got done saying that it has historically been one of the better paying pools.
As I said there is always naysayers to the problem yet the bug is readily apparent and could easily be fixed.
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troll somewhere else please. How was that trolling? I was giving accurate information based on what you said. How is pointing out the bug that submitted a fix for trolling as well? You can plainly see in the function that if either input value is 0 it will return 80% of the other value. This is likely the cause of why people have continually come here and complained about lower than expected payouts. I'm not telling anyone to not mine on your pool, I simply said to make the choice yourself. I would mine here if the bug were fixed because then I could be confident that the payouts are as they should be expected. You run a very good pool that has historically paid out very well I'm not claiming otherwise. |
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Swapped to ZPool after the NH incident. I'm really liking it! Looking forward to more stability on the website, but can't complain, it's a great pool.
Anyone have any experience with BTC transfer fee costs? Just wondering how big of a chunk comes out of the 0.005 payout. If it's a lot, can the payout be changed to a larger number?
Cheers,
-Sityl
5% for the exchange and a 1-2.5% for mining depending on the algorithm .. if i remember correctly. It was posted somewhere at some point, web interface kinda buggy atm. 5% is a huge fee! Where did you see that? Here is the text copied from the main page of the site (nothing at all about an additional 5% fee)
No registration is required, payouts are made to the BTC address you mine with as your username.
Payouts are made automatically every 2 hours for all balances above 0.01 and balances more than 0.0025 are paid on Sunday evening. DCR requires min of 0.025 before payout will occur.
Exclusive FlexFee™ system reduces fee's based on the pool's hashrate on select algos. Look for the green line on the hashrate graphs.
There is an initial delay before the first payout as coins you mine need to mature then, exchange and get returned to zpool, please wait at least 24 hours before asking for support.
This is NOT a solo mining pool. All mining is pegged to exchange prices.
Non-BTC payouts depend on that coin being mined as your BTC balance is traded internally by our system to your currency of choice. If we have not or are not mining that currency your payouts will be delayed until the pool has mined the blocks for you to get paid. If you notice in the pools status that the currency is red, it means there is not sufficient amount of the currency to pay miner(s). It's recommended to use BTC as any other coin could be removed at anytime and payouts will not occur.
Addresses that are older than 6 months without any mining are considered inactive. Inactive accounts are purged after 6 months and any remaining balances are forfeited.
If a coin is NOT listed on the pool (except BTC) and you still choose to mine with that address, you risk not getting any payments.
BTC is the only guaranteed payout currencyThere is a 5% exchange fee, Crackfoo has stated the variable in the code and what it is set too many pages back when I asked: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1751272.msg20405800#msg20405800I mentioned a few pages back there is also a bug that can potentially cause the prices given for coins on the exchange to be 20% lower than their expected value. I've submitted the bug fix to the github codebase, but it has not been accepted yet. There are other threads on the forums that others have pointed out the significant lower payouts than expected, but there is always many doubters and naysayers claiming that it was just fluctuations on the exchange prices. |
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You were correct STSMiner.... After changing the switching interval and the profit switching threshold, I am now seeing what I consider normal functionality. _________ New Question: Are any you using zpool and noticing you are not getting paid anywhere close to what Awesome Miner is saying you are earning? I mined all day and night with my test rig, and Awesome Miner was reporting a profit from $6/day to $18/day.... But on the zpool wallet page, it shows I have earned $3 in bitcoin. There has been a long time speculation that there is something causing 20% loss of earnings in the exchange process. I discovered that the AverageIncrement function used to create a rolling average of the prices on the exchanges could return 80% of the input values if either of the inputs were 0. I've submitted a bug fix to the Yiimp git, but it has not been accepted yet. Ahashpool.com has implemented the bug fix long ago and I have found that it pays out much better than Zpool. The one drawback is that it does not have near the same number of algorithms and coins available. Specifically the Equihash implementation in Yiimp is private and not shared publicly. Zpool does still pay out better than what Nicehash used too, but there is an obvious bug that continues to go unfixed. There is a thread where evidence was presented that clearly showed that the exchange rates being given on mined coins was always 15-20% below the expected value at the time of payout. Its a hard discussion to win because everyone seems to doubt the validity and chalks up the evidence as somehow doctored or could be explained away by exchange price fluctuations. Hopefully Crackfoo comes to his senses and implements the bug fix. In fact I think people would be fine paying a 5-10% exchange fee if he were transparent about it. It costs money to run a pool and I don't think anyone expects him to do it for free. |
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I wanted to let you know that I submitted a bug fix for the 80% value issue that I reported months back. This is likely the cause of the low payment for coins mined. https://github.com/tpruvot/yiimp/pull/192Regardless if you think that this is a problem or not the code fix simply prevents the widely used AverageIncrement function from returning results that are 80% of the actual value when a zero is passed to it. I am not attempting to rehash the argument again, simply pointing out a bug in the code. Please consider implementing this on the pool. It will likely return it to being the top paying pool especially considering Nicehash is likely not to return in the near future. |
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Could someon please help me, I am mining XCZ with 6x1080ti ccmmier 2.2.2 cuda 9 and in miner it reports 18.6 mhs (3.100khs per card), but in miningpoolhub dashboard it reports 10-12mhs for the whole rig. What is the problem?
Your local hashrate is how many hashes your card is producing. Not all hashes are accepted and not all hashes are given equal weight on the pool. Of the accepted hashes the more difficult the hash the more it is worth so if you get lucky and find a number of difficult hashes that are accepted in short succession you can get higher than normal hashrate. Equally if you get unlucky and only find low difficulty hashes your hashrate will show lower than your local rate. On average though over time it should be close to what you have locally. There is a large luck factor when it comes to mining that can significantly affect your reported hashrate at times both high and low. |
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Frankly, I don't have an interest to say either way. But, I have run 10 D3s and 3 L3s for two days on Prohashing and then on Nicehash and on ZPool. The ZPool payout was more after the unpaid and pending amounts were considered (total earned). Not only was it more, it was substantially more. I will do a test later with screenshots, etc. But, there's no way that I feel like Z Pool is stealing from me. You have to make sure that you are considering the sum of your earned amounts.
No one is suggesting that it doesn't pay out more than other non-yiimp pools. First off Nicehash is not based on the current price of the coin, but upon the price people are willing to pay for Nicehash rental services so the price can vary significantly from the Exchange prices. The point is the amount of coins that are being stated on Zpool that you are mining compared with the prices they should be exchanged for is always significantly lower than they should be. Take a look at ahashpool.com which is also running Yiimp, but has fixed the bug that I suggested earlier in the thread. There when I go and to the same comparison of coins mined to the amount being added to the unpaid amounts it is significantly closer to the true exchange prices at the time. These prices will fluctuate as the blocks mature and go to the exchange, but they are always in line with what the prices are showing on the exchange. My previous analysis of the coins I mined on zpool often put the value at or below the lowest value for the entire day for those coins. This was often 10-20% lower than what should have been paid out for them. Some people are fine with this payout because as you mentioned Zpool pays out better than some alternatives, but that doesn't make it transparent or fair given what they claim is their payout. |
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Would you look into adding ahashpool.com as a supported Mining pool?
It is very similar to zpool.ca with autoexchange, but doesn't take the significant cut in the exchange fees. They fixed the bug in the Yiimp software that I pointed out elsewhere on the forums. The setup is almost identical to zpool. Would be very interested in seeing it in the profit switching compared to the other pools.
Using multipoolminer I am seeing an average of $7-8/day on my 1080Ti compared to the $5 that I see using Zpool.
Also it seems that Bitcore, Xevan, Phi, and Hsr would be good algorithms to add since they do offer some decent profit over others at times.
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Guys, don't look at the what to mine website for calculations, it's too way off.
Better use your brain and make calculations by yourself, it's more accurate than wtm.
Its not off if you don't use the current difficulty option. The problem with many of these coins is they fluctuate difficulty significantly through out even a 24 hour period so if you use just the current difficulty as a guide then you may be sadly mistaken. Use the 24h average difficulty or higher to see what your more realistic returns are going to be. You can't expect to know what is going to be most profitable in 24 hours or longer if you can't predict what the difficulty or price of the coin is going to do in that time. |
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There is usually an option in the BIOS that allows for above 4G addressing which opens up more PCI-E channels for the cards. I don't see that for this motherboard so you may not be able to run more than 4 cards on it.
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Rising seas will raise all boats. Of course as more money comes into BTC it will partially increase the value of all other trading pairs related to BTC.
As long as people are putting more money into the markets than taking it out the value of coins will rise. We see continuously that even if the price of BTC spikes the BTC value of altcoins doesn't necessarily immediately drop unless people look to cash out.
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Not sure how true it was, but there was an exploit that was being sold to bypass F2A, but I'm not sure that it was getting into the account or just being able to withdraw without it.
It does seem suspicious, but I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. I've moved all my coins off the exchange.
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Glad to see that Nicehash is adding more algorithms to the markets. Seeing skunk added has really made me consider coming back to Nicehash
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It just seems like Lindacoin has too many coins outstanding to come up with a reasonable price for it. I'm not sure how it will every get out of few sat range with billions of coins outstanding
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