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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / bye on: November 23, 2013, 08:44:39 PM
Lost my wallet. Everything gone. Harddisk crash and no backup. Lesson learned, but thats it for me. Good bye bitcoin Sad
2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Peter Schiff: Gold vs. Bitcoin on: November 22, 2013, 09:37:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L7SOPDOvvI


Basically his point is that gold has intrinsic value, while Bitcoin doesn't, and that most of the BTC is being hoarded and not actually used in commerce. This leads him to believe the price is highly inflated.

Wrong. Bitcoin is the only programmable money in the world and everything is moving into the virtual world. Peter S. sells gold soo he is talking his own book.
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / mining + taint = rich on: November 16, 2013, 10:42:27 AM
0. Build your own ASICs
1. Create untainted coins by mining new blocks.
2. Creata the infrastructure to taint coins.
3. Reduce existing supply of untainted coins by tainting old ones.
4. Sell the untainted coins you mined.
4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / metawallets, centrslization/coin validator and forks on: November 15, 2013, 09:49:52 PM
Some time ago I wrote the following and sent it to a podcast but nothing came out off it. Though I had ASICs inn mind at the time, I feel like this text is still relevant in the context of coin validator and all the drama.

Have a nice read Smiley

The Case Against Centralized Money ==================================
In 1790 Mayer Amschel Rothschild said “Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.”

Technically speaking it is relatively easy to create a centralized currency. Basically speaking you just create one ledger and let all users transact downstream. What you get is your typical waterfall, old school hierarchy kind of system. We all know what it looks like. A decentralized system is kind of difficult to get going, but still possible. The precious metals are for instance decentralized money, in the sense that there is not a single entity doing all of the mining operations and the metals can be mined all over the world. From the precious metals we learn that money can be a decentralized thing, but from the history of money we also learn that the issuing/minting process can be centralized.

Decentralized Virtual Money ===========================
 Information technology is amazing because it lets you reproduce information at very little cost. But money that can be double spent would not work. Bitcoin solves this problem by introducing a ledger. However that is not enough, because the entity that controls the ledger can still edit the ledger. So, what Bitcoin does is to put the ledger in the hands of all its users so that the integrity of the ledger becomes a majority decision.

In his white paper Satoshi Nakamoto writes: "Proof-of-work is essentially one-CPU-one-vote."

Now, this model works as long as we have one-User-one-cpu-one-vote. If we have one-Superuser-with-all-cpu-power-and-the-only-vote we no longer have decentralized money. That is the kind of money that Amschel Rothschild was talking about, and it is that kind of system that Satoshi arguably rebelled against.

A Bitcoin proof-of-work Flaw ============================
A flaw in the proof-of-work, is that it do not assert that the proof-of-work have been carried out by the majority of its users. It does not take into account, who owns the majority of the processing power.

Is that even possible to do? How could a computer program tie one person to one CPU? It seems to me as a super difficult problem to solve. Especially since the solution can not rely on some kind of central authority or something else which can not be corrupted. The reason why the hashing mechanism works, is because we can not change the math. We need something like that to prove that each and every one user is only running one mining machine and is controlling only one vote.

Maybe if I was smarter I could figure out a way to do it. But I am not that smart.

The Bitcoin Open Source Flaw ============================
Since everyone can download the code, review it, improve on it, compile it and connect it to the network, Bitcoin becomes decentralized. If it was not open source, it would not be decentralized because we would have to rely on one or two entities controlling the whole thing. But, this also means that the code can be reproduced and thus at very little cost new types of Bitcoin can be created.

So even though the supply of Bitcoins can not be inflated, the number of blockchains can. And the more chains we get, the lesser the relative value of Bitcoins. Simply put, when someone chooses to buy Litecoins over Bitcoins, it is Litecoins that increase in value and not Bitcoins. Bitcoins as a store of value is affected.

So while the open source nature of Bitcoin is necessary, it comes at a cost.

The Two Issues Resolving Themselves ===================================
First we have the issue with centralization. Since only those with money can afford to buy machines that can compete in the mining sector, it means that only those that already have money can make more money from mining. Those trying to make money mining Bitcoin with their CPU have little success, which means that they do not get to participate in the majority vote.

Then we have the issue with AltCoins. The more people investing in them, the less valuable Bitcoins relatively speaking become.

Now, lets re-visit the two flaws: Bitcoin becoming centralized and AltCoins competing with Bitcoins. Well what do you know, isn't that the system sorting itself out?

If you stop thinking of it as the Bitcoin space and start thinking of it as the blockchain space, you realize that all of these chains competing for users is actually a fragmentation process that brings about decentralization.

The AltCoins are not the problem, they are the solution to the problem of Bitcoin centralization!

Already Happening
=================
Since it is cheaper to create a new AltCoin, then to build a new specialized hardware for mining that particular coin, the software could outpace the hardware specialization and thereby centralization. Take Bitcoin as an example. Since Bitcoins are unprofitable to mine for CPU miners, it have pushed them into other blockchains where they are still able to vote.

With many blockchains, what is happening is that the money people invest in the blockchain space is distributed on all of the chains. This decreases the risk of a single point failure and the blockchain space seen as a whole thereby becomes more robust.

Lets for a moment forget about the Bitcoin network and consider all of the blockchains as members of the same ecosystem. Sure there is competition among the members, but that only pushes the technology forward.

New technology is emerging to cope with this situation. One example is a tool to automate coin switching; which is when a miner mine only the coins that are the most profitable to mine. Then there are bots profiting from arbitrage between exchanges, which decreases volatility and the ability for single entities to manipulate single exchanges.

It is a fragmented market, a decentralized self-organizing thing we got going here and I would argue that this is a good thing.

Ecosystem
 =========
 One could argue about whether this or that coin is a scamcoin, which coin is the best one and so forth and so on. What I believe is that blockchain diversity is a phenomena that is here to stay and that it is a good thing. Because of the competition between blockchains, developers get an incentive to improve on the code base and since it is open source everyone stands to benefit.

What I would love to see, is people working _with_ this process instead of against it. There certainly are pump and dump coins, scamcoins and what not. This is a reality and it can not be ignored. Why even try to? Why not deal with the fact and try to leverage it in favor of the blockchain space itself.

Ecosystem Tools
===============
There is talk about decentralized exchanges and I guess that could be thought of as a step in the right direction. Perhaps in time it will be easier to buy Litecoins, without having to buy Bitcoins first.

But is it safe to hold many different coins? Well, is that not the same thing with stocks and bonds? They go up and down all of the time. It could even be argued that Bitcoins themselves are unsafe because of the volatility. Besides, whether you are aware of it or not, your money is always at risk and one of the best hedges against total loss is by diversification.

But perhaps it is possible to push this even further. Maybe it is possible to create a Metawallet that could be configured to hold the exact amount of coins, percentage wise, of the coins they you prefer to hold on to.

Metawallet Userstory
=====================
When transacting with another Metawallet, you could with a click of a button transfer 50% Bitcoins, 40% Litecoins and 10% Primecoins of the total cost, to your counter party.

With paper money and precious metals, it would be difficult to transact like so, but since coins are digital we could automate it. The program would just match the wallets, agree on what coins to transact with and then listen to the blockchains.

We might even discover unexpected benefits to this. For instance, while Bitcoins could be considered as a better store of value, they are likely to confirm slowly. So perhaps there is a benefit to receiving 10% of the cost in Primecoins almost instantly.

The Future
==========
Is Bitcoin only about Bitcoin? I think not. While Bitcoin is getting recognized by the public at large, I think it is a technology still in its infancy. It is difficult to predict what will happen and while Bitcoin certainly turned on the switch, I am not certain that it ends with Bitcoin.

In my mind Bitcoin is just another information technology and the thing about IT is that it changes, adapts and merge with the network. In a sense I think Bitcoin gives us a glimpse of something that is bigger then the Bitcoin protocol itself.

The question is, what kind of technology will be built around Bitcoin? Will Bitcoin be a single point of failure for all of those technologies that will rest on top of it, or will we see diversification and get a more robust system?

Why not leverage the fact that we are dealing with an ecosystem of blockchains and build something on top of that instead. Then coins could come and go, but decentralized virtual money would still prevail. In the end that is what we care the most about anyway, right?

Satoshi Nakamoto
================
When Nakamoto created Bitcoin, was it a pump and profit? My bet is that it was not. I believe that it was politically motivated and if I am right, then why would Nakamoto be against a thriving ecosystem with competing blockchains? Why would redundancy, less single points of failure and so forth and so on be a bad thing?

I am not to sure Amschel Rothschild would be to happy about it, but why would Nakamoto be against decentralization?
5  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: BitShares and Mastercoin - a comparison on: November 14, 2013, 07:31:52 AM
Ripper, I appreciate your fair comparison of the two contenders. Ive no stake in neither of them, but I am reading about them trying to figure things out. I have a question about Mastercoin: can the value of a single Mastercoin be so high that somebody that do not own any Mastercoins can not afford to buy assets tied to the Mastercoin?

We are all building a layered system.

Bitcoin value is increasing.
Mastercoin and Protoshares value are "tied to Bitcoin value" in some broad sense.
Mastercoin maybe more so because it relies on it technically and increased Mastercoin value directly benefits Bitcoin.
However I think every cryptocurrency at this point benefits Bitcoin.

Both these projects are building systems that require MSC and PTS to operate.
You will need MSC (or something as valuable as MSC) to work with some of our features.
MSC can be very high, but it's very divisible, so you'll also be able to buy "MSC backed USD" even if 1 MSC = 100 BTC = 100,000,000 USD one day.

Thanks, I guess the bold part of my text answers it all. I will be interesting to see Mastercoin take shape.

Personally I would never trust a trusted third parties price feed. Ive been an avid forex trader, so I know for sure that price is at best a subjective measurement of value that changes between brokers. LIBOR etc tells us that price feeds are used for manipulation and so forth and so on. Simply put, my opinion is that third party trusted feeds is a broken concept. The closest thing I think we got to a decentralized exchange is localbitcoins, litecoinlocal etc, and as many ATMs and online exchanges as possible. I want not one but several systems, before I think its decentralized.

BitShares idea of incorporating prediction markets is very interesting. I have not thought it through to Ive not decided whether I believe in it fully or not, but if it works then I would prefer it over trusted price feeds. As Ripper234 sayd, anything can be implemented on Mastercoin so well... if prediction markets is a good thing I would love to see it on Mastercoin.

 
6  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BOYCOTT all businesses associated to Alex Waters, Matt Mellon, and Yifu Guo! on: November 13, 2013, 09:02:09 PM
50% of the fees in a block should be sent as tax to the government and transactions that dont have outputs as tax to government blacklisted. Businesses accepting tainted coins must pay a fine/serve jail time.....

Seriously thinking about selling my btc and buying ltc instead. Less chance ltc coins have blood on them.
7  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: BitShares and Mastercoin - a comparison on: November 12, 2013, 06:35:59 PM
Trusted, not necessarily centralized. Having to trust the price feed is an issue, but having to trust the market which can be manipulated is the issue Bitshares will have.

I don't really see an easy answer. I don't have complete faith in the market or in its participants.

It will always be some blend of a set of centralised feeds, though. It could suffer from a similar problem that banks inflict on bitcoin exchanges who use their services - if all the feed providers somehow decide to stop serving data to mastercoin, there is a big problem.

Cheers, Paul.

If by "It" you mean Mastercoin then you are very wrong.

Mastercoin is an open platform. We are developing features blazingly fast.
If we think some form of another of completely trustless asset mechanism is feasible, we will implement it (remember, this was the original motivation for the project!)

Please don't make the mistake of thinking that Mastercoin is one particular feature or another. Mastercoin is a platform.
Whatever good things that our competitors do, we'll shameless copy for the betterment of the world and our users.

Ripper, I appreciate your fair comparison of the two contenders. Ive no stake in neither of them, but I am reading about them trying to figure things out. I have a question about Mastercoin: can the value of a single Mastercoin be so high that somebody that do not own any Mastercoins can not afford to buy assets tied to the Mastercoin?
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Orderbook] PTS Exchange Form. Also a 75 PTS Giveaway! on: November 11, 2013, 08:32:35 AM
PffajeiMUtQsuduvqBNRuDA1stjwdVr7gQ

Thank you!

Great to see exchange - this is the first one right?
9  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: average confirmation time 18 minutes? on: November 10, 2013, 06:10:14 PM
Why spend energy on crunching tx at all. Just crunch the ones with high fee and ignore free tx and free up time to render block. Sure its bad for the golden goose, but what does it matter... the ASIC can only be used for a small time anyway. Selfish thinking only about the moneym ie a free market. Im not sure it will work out in the end. Enter an altcoin or a patch?
10  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Chinese government IS backing Bitcoin?!?! on: October 15, 2013, 08:55:22 PM
If China built Bitcoin they would _never_ put a Japanese name on it. They are not like super good ol friends those two.
11  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Chinese government IS backing Bitcoin?!?! on: October 15, 2013, 08:52:48 PM
A good morning read:

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-14/chinas-state-press-calls-for-building-a-de-americanized-world

China's state press calls for building a "De-Americanized" world.

Get this though, part of China's proposal is:

Quote
Key among its proposals: the creation of a new international reserve currency to replace the present reliance on U.S. dollars, a necessary step to prevent American bumbling from further afflicting the world, the commentary suggests.

Could this be Bitcoin and the thinking behind China's embrace of Bitcoin?
,


I think they want to see a basket of currencies where gold is one of the monies. There are SDRs but Imm not sure to what extent China could gain enough influence over that one since they are issued by IMF (if I remeber correctly) and IMF is owned by US. Actually what I think they want is to keep a strong dollarr, devalue against it and hedging it by allocation of hard money and assets and then when they could have a super strong currency and when imports has become expencieve they will let their own currency appreciate soso they can buy the world assets for cheap and borrow at loww rates. I think thats their long term plan and Bitcoin a blackswan. Nothing bad with Chineese people getting some Bitcoins and hard money though. Much better then if Chineese hoard dollars II dont think the gov want them to do that.
12  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What are the biggest mistakes you've done with Bitcoin? on: September 27, 2013, 03:35:52 PM
Used a non-standard client and lost about one coin in fee.
13  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Theoretical situation on: September 27, 2013, 04:15:04 AM
Lets say I was skilled enough... Would I then also be able to just leave the project and it was starting to take of? And not spend any of those early coins? I admire the emotional discipline that S. had/have. Actually to the extent that I think that S. was hit by a buss or that he is a group of people working at a lab deep down subsurface inn antartica financed by north korea and denmark. Or perhaps S. has aschberger syndrom or something else that renders him as emotionally fit and diciplined as he was smart. Crazy.
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [POLL] What do you think about the Primecoin GPU Miner? on: September 19, 2013, 06:16:22 AM
I know thieves that are more trustworthy.
15  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000GH/s] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: September 10, 2013, 12:31:29 PM
Let's Talk Bitcoin is a twice weakly podcast about Bitcoin. I have emailed the host, Adam and requested a show about P2Pool. If you also think that it is a good idea to get some air time for this topic, the write and request it here: http://www.reddit.com/r/letstalkbitcoin

If you are a P2Pool developer or knows a lot about the inner workings and benefits of this system, I think it would be a good idea to contact Adam and go on the show and talk about it.

 Kiss
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC coming to Gox? on: September 05, 2013, 06:51:40 AM
Btc have doubled from its lows, failed to take out 150 and thinly traded consolidations lately and super pumps eating consolidation breakout walls, pushing price to super extended levels. Purely speculation. Ltc with basically no economy has been trading at elevated levels fueled by hopium. Btc crashing down from extreme highs and a ltc that already crashed - of course it was now time for buying ltc selling btc. Now btc will try toto find support and if it does ltc will continue crashing in terms of btc. Just my 5 satoshis.
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XPM] Working on a GPU miner for Primecoin, new thread :) on: September 03, 2013, 02:04:45 PM
Not good. Fail obviously means no blocks for you. But, did you get the program to run at all? Any settings to reduce crashes?
These kind of reports only deserve to be ignored. It's like he does not want the issues to be fixed, or does not understand software development at all.

Sockpuppet? No disrespect, just honestly curios.
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XPM] Working on a GPU miner for Primecoin, new thread :) on: September 02, 2013, 10:53:44 AM
Okay I've sent the miner now! If you didn't get the miner, whine to me and I'll send it to you!

Hey thanks for the miner Smiley

I have some issues building it for XUbuntu. When I try to build bitcoin-libblkmaker I get this:

red@red:~/Downloads/bitcoin-libblkmaker/bitcoin-libblkmaker$ make
.deps/base58.Plo:1: *** multiple target patterns.  Stop.

Any ideas?
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Coblee - Litecoin - Wired Article on: August 30, 2013, 03:05:38 PM
Congrats Coblee!  Smiley

The litecoin physical coin look awesome on that picture! Cheesy
20  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Security of using brainwallet.org for Tx's. on: August 29, 2013, 06:19:21 AM
There is a bug on the site. Check fee before sending.
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