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Meh, this community is full of an amazing amount of dicks.
In Sonnys case I can only go by my own experience. When BFL first came on the scene and the same wannabe detectives were crucifying them for "definitely being a scam", Sonny was never anything more than professional to me in our email dealings. He got my singles out when he said he would and went out of his way to specifically upgrade my unit with extra heatsinks to account for the Australian summer.
No scamming in sight, and he seemed like a nice enough guy. He even referenced his father passing away during that time, and that was by way of apologising for not responding promptly for a week or so. I honestly couldn't care less about his past, though I understand how it would turn people off. If that's the case, simply don't give him your money.
I'm well and truly over this community, it's horrible. Bitcoin has no chance while this place remains the way it is. Shame on you all.
Thanks TonyTrolloRolloBrownie for sharing your real life experiences with us. As we know pirate has always been good to you and payb.tc topped even those australien summerfeelings by earning you your brownie -nose. Now you found a new mate to go headfront all -in to sink your heat? Thats really gonna ashame us all, who just came here for sight - seeing  Bitcoin has all chances of this little blue planet, if only people like you would be able to recoil a step back to watch themselves in the rear-view-mirror, before endeavouring to the next cheerleader hulahoop. Ciao Ciao |
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Have you ever wanted to become a bitcoin trader and make a sizable commission on each order?
But there's always the risk of chargebacks and disputes. I've exclusively discovered a method which uses secondary markets to allow you to trade with Paypal without the risk of chargebacks...
You will not be accepting the paypal payments.. someone else who is selling a digital product is! The digital product does not lose it's value being resold, and you can easily resell the digital product the bitcoin buyer just bought back to another trader.
You forgot to add "and if this trader uses the same method as you did before, you may now be the target of a chargeback by someone you didn't even know existed, because it is not the trader you're sending the digital product to who is sending you money via paypal and is now attempting to defraud you". Nice scam. Nice and thoughtful critic, but nobody said that you can be a fortress-trader without having the supirior knowledge and diligence to distinguish a Psy from Vescudero ! |
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Been a few days...just bumping the thread. I'm kind of surprised all of my questions have been serious security law / civil law type questions. I really thought most of them would be of a criminal nature around here You donīt see the community spirit and, am afraid, donīt really want to be part of it. Ciao |
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Do you guys really believe that this isn't possible? It absolutely is, but it's scummy as hell. This is the same reason why, if you ever directly sell bitcoins for Paypal, you need to check for a middleman by confirming your deal and the destination address with the Paypal email address. For a time, this "special market" was bitcoin itself.
Thanks. Yep maged, isnīt it hard to have the command over a herd of little penis, no brains-groupthinker-trolls ? Who is conditioning them as such? There are some colleges of yours, who canīt be given absolution for using their powers right to achieve this ! May you be blessed with a backbone and independently shining intelligence to save this place from censorship.  Thanks Ciao |
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I'm surprised no one has asked for his birth certificate to be posted. I know I'd feel a lot better about the company if we saw his birth record.
Seriously, the man shows incredible transparency here and some of you are grasping at straws to keep on bitching. Would this forum cease to exist if it was a discussion of ideas rather than a place to make up stories out of your head?
as long as you donīt post his birth certificate, your idea is a bitch of which you make up a story...sorry |
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Who would be the escrow for this bet?
Me ! |
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As it would be so easy to make the community whole and restore intelligent humanity, if there wouldnīt ship brainless submarines right beneath the guys on the boats. We have a new Zyk. Never said you are not smart but nevertheless brainless and corrupt, as you support the given brotherhood by ass - licking, cause its not "everybody" culpable in the same way. You are the only one, who is morally more culpable (than you might have earned in the schemes) as the ones who pocket the loot to the ones who have to pay for it. And everybody who has a sense of "community-spirit" , common sense or moral integrity left, must know by now, who the robber-barrons are, who will deliberately prevent us from making steps to secure pirates accounting, such that the fingers can be pointed to the proven guilty heads! Ciao,Ciao |
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"We store your bitcoins in Mjölnir, which guarantees a 100% return rate!"
Will it be compounding ? Wonīt withdraw then  |
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I am the holy spirit and I love Maria but am banned from this inbreeding forum  |
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Im not sure but how can you pay 20% per month for a year without investing into pirate...
I guess you're not familiar with Stock Generation. This looks like the same setup. You pay 20% per month for a few months using your deposits to fund the payouts and strongly encouraging reinvestment. Then, you close down all the funds with guaranteed high rates (or just don't offer them), offering people to either get into non-guaranteed funds at no loss or to take the 75% haircut to cash out. Either way, you make money. Then you just tell everyone in the non-guaranteed funds that you're very sorry but they lost everything. As was made clear, it's risky. In effect, this can be a Ponzi scheme and can take everyone's money without ever breaching one promise they made. All they've promised is that you might make a lot of profit and that your losses are capped at 75%. It's basically like a casino -- all they're saying is that you might make money and you might lose money. The difference is, they've made no clear disclosure of under what conditions you make and which you lose. It's probably safe to assume you make money when that's profitable for them and you lose money when that's profitable for them. You will continue to make money so long as their deposits continue to increase. Then they'll buy everyone out for just 25% and keep around 75% of current deposits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_GenerationThe folks at Stock Generation lost in court due to a very slight miscalculation. If these guys learned from that, they can probably run this entire scam (keeping about 50% of total deposits) without breaking any laws. The giveaway to this is that the investments are said to involve risk with no clear explanation of what the risks are and under what circumstances they lose money. This is what separates something like Stock Generation from a classic Ponzi. (If you read carefully, they can keep most of your money for no reason at all other than that they want to and not break any of their own terms.) Bitcoin needs more JoelKatzes. No please MPOE, my hero, donīt fall for this intellectual and morally completly corrupted brainwashed selfproclaimed truthseeker......again he fails in some muddy ditch far from reality and prevents prosecution and rightful distribution of the stolen funds! Just watch whats coming up, as youīll see how it was written in your post - you! ...the community! looses money! |
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This should be the last one of the "very special investment opportunities" to shut down now, isn't it? They're all dead and gone?
No there are more showing up all the time now which was to be expected I suppose. And ever will as there is no "community" left, who is able or even willing to ban the "buddies" who hoard the coins of said scams..... |
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It is absurd to suggest that a reasonable person could accept that it was anything other than a scam. I agree, and yet that's what happens. Such is the absurdity of Ponzi schemes and the way they turn large numbers of otherwise intelligent people into irrational morons. If a PPT operator didn't know, then they should have know and are negligent. This standard applies once you take an active role, as they did. Those who solicit money, fabricate credit ratings, promote or shill for the scam bear a greater share of culpability. A free pass would be a mockery of justice, if that matters at all. Why wouldn't this apply equally to everyone who deposited money with Pirate? If we can assume that every reasonable person must have known it was a scam, then everyone who deposited money with Pirate was paying Pirate to steal money from others and give it to them.Ponzi schemes make people irrational. Scammers know how to exploit that. I want people to learn a lesson rather than punishing them for being human. Exactly ! but only that in bold--- read it 5 times !! and now please draw some coherent conclusions!! canīt wait for it, if you come to the same shit ,you write all the time then you are paid as well As it would be so easy to make the community whole and restore intelligent humanity, if there wouldnīt ship brainless submarines right beneath the guys on the boats. |
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Not that it seems off topic...
any bets for sunny Sonny and BFL is a scam and wonīt deliver anything useful when december comes?
You could use the one in my sig. http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=446i could give you a picture of it right now and the bet would be lost? without some proven superutility this bet is superfutility No one said the picture evidence would solely be a picture of the device. but of Sonnys wife doing some naked swimming when the tide goes out in Thaiti?   |
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For what it's worth, I'm now personally convinced that BurtW was himself convinced that Pirate was not running a Ponzi scheme or similar scam. He's actually a good example of why I think most PPT operators deserve a "free pass" for the Pirate fiasco.
It is absurd to suggest that a reasonable person could accept that it was anything other than a scam. If a PPT operator didn't know, then they should have know and are negligent. This standard applies once you take an active role, as they did. Those who solicit money, fabricate credit ratings, promote or shill for the scam bear a greater share of culpability. A free pass would be a mockery of justice, if that matters at all. Of course they did know and thanks to Joel, the cat in the bag, can even still panic-hoard their coins, cause they had the inside information, when needing to draw on pirate and when new suckers still came in sufficiency to pay the interest of the fat cats. They can still blame pirate and some russian, which is intimately familiar with Sir Byron Micon ( if OP cares to explain, why he new a week before mybitcointrade changed hands about this fact) Madoff was caught, half of the loot was recovered, not from him but from his feeder funds! |
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Not that it seems off topic...
any bets for sunny Sonny and BFL is a scam and wonīt deliver anything useful when december comes?
You could use the one in my sig. http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=446i could give you a picture of it right now and the bet would be lost? without some proven superutility this bet is superfutility |
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Not that it seems off topic...
any bets for sunny Sonny and BFL is a scam and wonīt deliver anything useful when december comes?
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he would be an idiot to run off with your money with after already having spent 2 years in jail, a criminal record and with his name out in the open.
That might make sense in the real world... but bitcoin. (pirate's stolen over 5 million USD, and I don't forsee any jail in his future considering there's not even a police report right now) Last time I checked, Pirate didnt have a registered company, didnt accept credit cards, didnt have a parole officer looking over his shoulder, nor have I seen any shred of evidence of any real business activity. Even if there were, there would be no sensible explanation for why he would borrow at >3000% APR. Pirate and BFL have nothing in common. If you want to shout down scams on this forum, there are plenty to chose from, this isnt one. Vescudero ? |
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Even we newbies, coming with press transported hopes and illusions can see, that this forum is an undemocratic, inbreeding chain - letter, where moderators, heromembers
are colluding to skin us off.
If this is a false impression, I appologize , but then tell me , how the highest authority is allowed to leave this post uncommented:
Theymos thinks that by ignoring criticism, that people here will forget or overlook his active roles in the scams. This place is a sewer of scam artists and miscellaneous bottom feeders, including some of the admins. Still no problem here....everybody should be free to sell anybody some bridges.....this is free human will.......and for that I like this place.....but privileging some in this game is wrong......there must be a higher moral standard and integrity to people , who are handed the power over others.....and when evidently attained the ordour of dishonesty and greed in their behaviour those powers have to be taken away or any attempt at civility is completly in vain ! |
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Im gonna assume this story is mostly correct, and just wish to congratulate Sonny on his bounce-back.
Oh man you are really easily being had....the nice little baby...all it takes to imprison your ability to percieve facts |
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