no problem. glad you could come to your own conclusion.

the fact that he got no response at all until he threatened to post the e-mails  and then got an instant refund is fishy.

Its great that he got a refund so fast but would it really have happened so fast if he did not say he was going to post the e-mails?

Like I said I'm not accusing anyone of anything..........this is just info  that people should be aware of.

coincidence?  maybe.

A refund was issued quickly, after being ignored by the previous emails and not getting a response it just seems odd that a refund would be issued 18 minutes after the last e-mail.

could be nothing......it could be huge.

make your own desicions.

no.... no problems at all....  just fishy

xxxxxxxxxx
   
Nov 26 (2 days ago)
      
to office
Hello,
Id like to rquest a refund on my 2 seperate orders #13176 and #13220 .  I'm sorry for any trouble this causes but I could really use the funds to use towards christmas.  I'd also like to wait and eventually buy a single instead of the jalepenos.
  Thank you very much.
1LsBYmhFA8ucnbrsXgynHy2EWguRPfUeBW
xxxxxxxx
   
3:56 PM (22 hours ago)
      
to Butterfly
here is the transaction I.D. for my purchase with bitcoins for order 13176

ed7930abc22a1f1abc50afd03900572602647266a13473547886f8004ec8c04d

I would greatly appreciate a refund for my both of my orders. If you could please send the bitcoins back as soon as possible i would be very grateful.
my bitcoin address is  :    1LsBYmhFA8ucnbrsXgynHy2EWguRPfUeBW


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:38 PM, xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

    here is the e-mail.
    I paid with bitcoins.  I should have a refund for a total of 3 jalapeno.
    please send the refund to address   1LsBYmhFA8ucnbrsXgynHy2EWguRPfUeBW
    Thank You
    Re: New submission from Pre-Order Form - BitForce 'Jalapeno'-13176
    Inbox
       x
    Butterfly Labs Inc
       
    Nov 19 (7 days ago)
       
       
    to me
    Hi xxxx,

    This is to confirm that your order no. 13176, pay-dated 11/17/2012, for 1 BitForce Jalapeno has been successfully entered into our system.

    We will notify you with tracking information when your order ships.

    For real-time updates on what is shipping now and news on projected SC products shipping schedule, please visit Jody's customer service blog at <https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blog.php/46-BFL_Jody>.

    Thank you for your interest in Butterfly Labs, Inc. and for your order.

    Kind regards,

    Debbie
    BF Labs, Inc. Customer Service



    On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 1:19 PM, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
    Preferred payment method
         BTC
    Shipping information
    Name
         xxxxxxxxxxxx
    Email
         xxxxxxxxxxx
    Phone
         xxxxxxxxxx
    Shipping Address Information
      xxxxxxxxx
    United States
    Map It
    Order
         
    Product    Qty    Unit Price    Price
    BitForce Jalapeno ($149)    1    $149.00    $149.00
         Shipping (US / Canada Priority ($14))    $14.00
    Total:    $163.00


    On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Butterfly Labs Inc <office@butterflylabs.com> wrote:

        xxxxxx,

        After looking through our orders, I need some help.

        First, I see an order 13220 but don't see an order 13176. Is it possible that it was cancelled before it was entered?

        Also, can you confirm the email used to place the order via PayPal? I can't find record of the payment in PayPal with the xxxxxxxxx address.

        Please advise.

        Dave M.
        Account Manager Butterfly Labs

        On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:22 PM, xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

            Hello,
            Id like to rquest a refund on my 2 seperate orders #13176 and #13220 .  I'm sorry for any trouble this causes but I could really use the funds to use towards christmas.  I'd also like to wait and eventually buy a single instead of the jalepenos.
              Thank you very much.
            1LsBYmhFA8ucnbrsXgynHy2EWguRPfUeBW




        --
        For Jody's Customer Service Blog, and more, please visit our new BFL Forums at <https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blog.php>



xxxxxxxxxxxx
   
9:04 PM (17 hours ago)
      
to Butterfly
Hi. I responded a couple of times with information about my orders.  I would like a refund. You sent this MSG yesterday and you have yet to update me about wether this issue is sorted out.  I preorderd 3 jalapeños purchased with bitcoin.
Please respond.  I do not want to start posting these Msgs on forums and warning others but if I do not get a response I will be forced to.
Thank you.

Sent from my Atari


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  end of e-mails   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


lets look at the time between the last post and the refund.
last e-mail sent  at 9:04 p.m.
refund transaction:
 
Status: 133 confirmations
Date: 11/27/2012 21:22
From: unknown
To: 1LsBYmhFA8ucnbrsXgynHy2EWguRPfUeBW (own address, label: anon ads)
Credit: 39.0042 BTC
Net amount: +39.0042 BTC
Transaction ID: 2d90cb1612e9611f3fe39fe756d5d150819bc59cb3ad9b1ff20f208dae16ba77

the refund was issued at 9:22 p.m.
18 minutes after the last e-mail.

There are the e-mails you wanted to see so bad.....Now explain it.

well since the spokesperson has asked I will provide all relevant information.

once I gather the info I will post it here.

i understand... maybe he will be willing to share the e-mails.

Just thought people should be aware.

be very careful.  A group of people from my town all got japanese kanjis on the front of their necks.  about 15 people total all got the same tattoo which they believed to say or mean "family"

Years later one of the guys ran into someone who was fluent.....since there was a little extra line added to the kanji...instead of meaning "family"    it says "pig farmer"   

what a big difference a line can make.

 A friend of mine who preordered 3 jalapenos requested a refund.   He wishes to stay anonymous so I am going to post on his behalf.

This seemed extremely fishy to me so i thought i would share with everyone so they could make there own conclusions.

I am not saying bfl is a scam... i am not taking any position at all....just think others should be aware.

So my friend requests a refund.  he had 2 seperate orders. 1 order for 2 jalps and 1 order for 1 jalp.

he paid with bitcoin.

He got a response within 2 hours of his initial request. Bfl said "we could not find one of your orders in our system and we have no record of you paying with paypal.

They should have been able to tell right away that it was purchased with bitcoins.(possible way for them to delay)

So a day passed and my friend sent 3 different e-mails. He included the transaction i.d. and the e-mail confirmation that payment was made.

Still no response from Bfl.

The part that concerned me the most is this next part.....

Before going to bed my friend sent one last e-mail..... He told bfl that if they do not respond to his e-mail by the next day he was going to post the conversation on the forums and warn others about what had happened to him.

Not 10 minutes later his refund showed up in his wallet.  No response from bfl through e-mail...nothing. his coins were returned though.

So his first e-mail was answered in a couple hours.....his next 3 e-mails providing all the info were not responded to.

after threatening to post the e-mails to the forums  a refund was issued instantly.  still no response from bfl.

This tells me  that the poor customer service and delays of getting back to e-mails is not real.  When confronted with being outed on the forum they went from playing stupid and ignoring him...to giving an instant full refund.

could be coincidence. Maybe its nothing to be concerned about.

I am simply posting this so people can see that there is no reason for the e-mail delays or poor customer service.

The smell of fish is overwhelming.

thanks... here is the casino address   1JpxscdjzxycVn3yUU4BuugVux2xerRK9j

i would like to try  nickname  lurk

Sure the test answers have value.

If there was a buyer for the answers it would give them value.

The only thing that gives bitcoin value is the fact that someone wants to buy them.

Do any of you actually think a government is going to make laws to protect bitcoin users?

Many people use it to launder money, sell drugs and support terrorists. Anonymously.

Bitcoin is the governments worst nightmare.

I had the understanding that bitcoin was an underground currency void of big bank and government regulations.

If you want rules and laws stick to paypal.

The only laws that will be put in place for bitcoin will be punishment laws not protection laws.

I'm sure the laws will fall under homeland security or anti-terrorist laws.

As far as theft, how would you value the bitcoins?  Tell the judge that mt.gox says they are worth $12 a piece? Who is mt.gox really?

The beauty of bitcoin is that it is unregulated and not bound by laws.

It may not be morally right to steal bitcoins but if you think laws will be made to favor bitcoin users you are sadly mistaken.

just my opinion...i have no facts.

awesome

wow. hes afraid its going to tip over huh?  unreal

loan cancelled. a bit of a relapse. desperate.
 im sorry

thats too funny

I would like to ask for a little bit of help getting myself out of debt.

I posted a loan earlier with the intent on gambling again. I'm pretty desperate and worried about how I'm going to come up with the money to pay back my loans.

The loan is cancelled and I realize taking that risk again will not help me in the long term.  I will just lose again and feel worse.

There is a lot of negative things going on in my life right now and I guess gambling is an escape. I don't have to think about the bad while i'm gambling.

I was doing really well not gambling for awhile and i'm not going to let this miner set back get in my way of recovery.

I'm not going to have a pity party and cry about the direction my life has taken in recent months but I could really use some stress relief.  I've gotten myself into some financial trouble and want nothing more than to pay back what I've lost.

everyday the price of bitcoin goes higher and higher  making payback seem like an unreachable goal. Desperation is sinking in and its hard not to gamble.

Along with the holidays my birthday is coming up. Both cause a fair amount of stress due to the fact that I have no money to buy gifts and i am worse off this year than i have been in 10 years.   Things will get better, they always do but right now i could really use a hand trying to pick myself back up.

If anyone wants to chat or give me advice I'm open to speak through P.M.

If anyone is in a position that they can donate even a small amount I would be extremely grateful. I need to start seeing the light at the end of this debt tunnel. 

I could also use a little help if anyone just wants to P.M. and remind me how stupid gambling is.

Thanks anyone in advance for financial and/or moral support.

Look forward to talking to some of you.
                                          John
1FQaDrhsjUBkBKAXJckgHiLvVjuAUWGaj6

Thanks everyone. I didn't expect any kindness but you have been very understanding and helpful.

Thank you yuhfhrh address sent. I will send the bitcoin to my lender right away. I can't explain my appreciation in words.