Thank you all for the input and insight. I didn't know the exchanges were all still offering 0% transaction fee ---I remember huobi doing that for a while then stopping and there volume sinking like a rock. So that would certainly explain the amazingly high volume. Hopefully they all reintroduce a modest trade fee (0.10% or so) since the speculation isn't helpful at these levels in terms of helping to stabilize the price. I admit I trade on price changes like most people too but I'd prefer to see long-term stability in bitcoin price even if it means I make 10% instead of 20% in the short term.
It sounds like the attitudes in China a very much like here in the U.S. ... people still don't trust bitcoin or are ignorant of it (all while their credit card and identity information is stolen from hackers targeting major retailers and credit card fee's hurt small businesses). Hopefully they'll come around soon in both our countries.
I sent payments to addresses provided, thanks for your input.

Hello all,
I unfortunatly cannot speak or read Chinese but I sure wish I could lately. I'm curious to know what bitcoin is like in China, I can't find good descriptions of this in english so I'm hoping some people here can help.

I have a few questions specifically:
What is the attitude toward bitcoin in china, have lots of people bought it? Based on the trade volume of the exchanges compared to USD it seems like it has to be at least twice as popular. I know China's middle-class has grown quite a bit but, how many people do you think have the means to purchase it (as in they have disposable income and computer or smartphone to trade on)?
What city do you live? Does bitcoin seem popular where you are?

Does the volume on the major exchanges (OKcoin, btcchina, huobi) seem accurate? The volume is about 10 times higher than USD exchanges so this makes me think bitcoin must be held by alot of people in China now. And is everyone who owns bitcoin talking about the price drop and selling? Is there a reason people are selling? In the U.S. the news on bitcoin has been all good lately with Microsoft now taking it, regulators staying out of the way, executives from major banks getting on board, but since our volume is so much lower everyone follows what the Chinese exchanges price is so we sell too.
I'm just trying to understand how bitcoin is apparently becoming very popular in China, but at the same time it seems everyone is selling like they expect it to drop in price, die, receive bad news, or something else bad. I'm confused by this and would appreciate anyone who is willing to tell me anything they can about bitcoin in China.
I'll gladly answer any questions about btc in the U.S.---though I imagine if you can speak english you don't need my opinion on it though lol  


I know its not much of a bounty  , but if you leave a wallet address I'll tip at least .004btc/1.24 USD/8 yuan to anyone with anything useful to share. I don't expect anyone to answer all of these but even if you can answer one of them I would be very grateful and will be sure to tip.

Thanks

thanks for the prompt response

and i think you meant https://forum.haasonline.com


also is it possible to upgrade license and only pay the difference? i.e. already bought 3month beginner for .15, want 3month simple for .05 instead of .20

can't login. was able to reset password and i can login on the site itself but not through the application (error: "login" diag then "invalid credentials" diag) or the localhost webserv (does nothing)

now what

Hey all,
I didnt turn up much on google for this----I guess I really should have started looking about 2 weeks ago before the season began---- but does anyone know of any simple weekly football pick 'ems (without line preferably) ideally with a pool system and weekly payouts since its too late for me to do whole season. I browsed through here but didnt see much, I mean I know there are plenty of sites with picking on the spread but I'm looking more for the no line, simple, pick em all and total points tiebreaker for monday simple betting. Seems like everyone is busy doing fantasy football, nobody wants to do simple pools or what?
Anyway if anyone knows a site or someone hosting a btc pool like this (or if nobody knows one maybe post if your interested in joining too and we'll start one up)

Havelock seems pretty good for an alternative, yes? I havent really tried it out but i'm really surprised I don't have money there but do have money on CS, wish RETURN and other legit projects could somehow move there.

If people made another funding platform like CS it could definitly be improved with some very basic things:
- Require project owners have a password that is 16 characters w/ one uppercase, one number, one symbol
- Require certain changes to projects to have a waiting period, like 24 hours to create new shares.
- maybe allow shareholders to issue stoptrade order if like 1/2 request it (i.e. project owner gets on forum here and says account has been hacked, bunch of shareholders found proof of fraud) and stoptrade would freeze owners withdrawals.

Ive been lurking off and on on this thread since i bought alot of shares of return over the past few months and more since more shares were created. I was wondering how do you guys plan on trading with alt coins do your tradebots work with them or are there specific ones you planned on getting or what? i'm inclined to vote yes on the active poll but i know i've lost money over the years trying to trade on alts and most just lose value over time and the market is very volatile. I mean if you lose 10% of the portfolio--say 10 btc gets turned into 2 then you do it again and have 9 turn into 3 thats a very big loss, what will happen to dividends, will you just have no dividends until the -15 btc is caught up?

It doesn't really matter until the coins are converted back into cash.
In the scenario you describe I'm assuming you purchased them 1/1/2014 for $500, then a year later sell them for (lets say) $900. If you are: single and not head of household and earn <$36k, single head of household and earn <$48k, married and earn <$72k then your liability in each case is zero. Now if your over those but under $400k your liability on that $400 profit would be $40. It really doesn't matter how much its worth when its moved around or just sits in a wallet, for tax purposes those are unrealized gains and have no liability. It's once you sell it for USD that matters. So you'd pay the tax on your 2015 tax return, if you are rich enough (and hey maybe you are mr. $5000-paintings-in-secure-rooms ;P)


All that aside, in most cases not reporting bitcoin profits doesn't really matter since the IRS doesn't have alot of resources you really only have to worry about claiming bitcoin earnings if you are making serious money off it, any good accountant will tell you the same thing.

So if a bunch of faux news viewers see a report on bitcoin (even on the unlikely chance its in a positive light) what's the upside? The amount that it would actually draw into bitcoin would be so tiny since many 65+ year olds have trouble with the computers and those internets, let alone the billclams or pitgoins or whatever they're called...you know those computer dollars

Thank you so much for working on a fix so quickly, I'd be surprised if it's truly that rare but I certainly could be mistaken. At times the trades are my own making: I'll put in say sell 5 LTC at +1% last price, then decide to put in another 5 at same price, then an hour later when it gets filled with someone putting in "buy 25 LTC at X" I get "sell 5 LTC...3:51 sell 5 LTC...3:51". Or i can be on the other end of the same situation. I put in a buy for 25 LTC at $1 and someone or someones has 5 LTC at $1, another 10 at $1, and another 5 at $1: so I'll end up with "Buy 5 LTC... 7:54 buy 10 LTC... 7:54 buy 5 LTC... 7:54". There are also times where I might intentionally want to sell small amounts repeatedly in a small amount of time (say I want to sell 100 LTC at >$10.89 but only 20 LTC are available at $10.90 and up, maybe I don't want to put all 100 in and push the spread lower so I put in an ask for 3 LTC every 10 seconds in hopes of catching a buyer at $10.90)


examples of the first scenarios i described:
LTC/BTC    buy    0.0482594 LTC    0.02514 BTC    0.00121324 BTC    10.04.14 09:15
LTC/BTC    buy    2.60066 LTC    0.02514 BTC    0.06538059 BTC    10.04.14 09:15
LTC/BTC    buy    2.60066 LTC    0.02514 BTC    0.06538059 BTC    10.04.14 09:14
LTC/BTC    buy    2.60066 LTC    0.02514 BTC    0.06538059 BTC    10.04.14 09:14
LTC/BTC    buy    2.60066 LTC    0.02514 BTC    0.06538059 BTC    10.04.14 09:14
LTC/BTC    buy    1.24052 LTC    0.02514 BTC    0.03118667 BTC    10.04.14 09:14



LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.035 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.035 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    14.4 LTC    10.35 USD    149.04 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.035 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.035 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.035 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.035 USD    10.04.14 08:54



LTC/BTC    sell    0.102247 LTC    0.02554 BTC    0.00261138 BTC    10.04.14 07:24
LTC/BTC    sell    0.998434 LTC    0.02554 BTC    0.0255 BTC    10.04.14 07:24
LTC/BTC    sell    0.998434 LTC    0.02554 BTC    0.0255 BTC    10.04.14 07:24
LTC/BTC    sell    0.998434 LTC    0.02554 BTC    0.0255 BTC    10.04.14 07:24
LTC/BTC    sell    3.88715 LTC    0.02554 BTC    0.09927781 BTC    10.04.14 07:24
LTC/BTC    sell    0.998434 LTC    0.02554 BTC    0.0255 BTC    10.04.14 07:24
LTC/BTC    sell    0.998434 LTC    0.02554 BTC    0.0255 BTC    10.04.14 07:24
LTC/BTC    sell    0.998434 LTC    0.02554 BTC    0.0255 BTC    10.04.14 07:23


This is from the 4 most recent pages of my trade history and these were ones where I entered whole, single-order asks. I really don't know how common an occurrence it is for the average user but it happens to me quite a bit and, as i said, there are times where I want to be able to "double-order".


I greatly appreciate the fast reply and fast solution to my issue, this will save me alot of time and headaches.

best wishes,
tuna

Maybe they are? Think about it. If you own a large business and are considering accepting bitcoin as payment wouldn't you want to know how regulators are going to treat it, to have assurances that the government isn't going to "ban" it or add fees that make it more expensive than cash/credit/et al? This policy issuance serves that purpose and gives other nations' federal agencies a guideline and gives them notice that if they create an environment less hospitable than the U.S. then they are losing that source of new economic activity and growth. There may be short-term negative effects from hardcore libertarians ceasing certain uses along with those who find paying 10% or 15% on short-term profits---hard to say how many people this is since if you buy $100 of bitcoin, then sell it for $200 a month later, does $10 in tax make that $90 not worth it anymore? not to mention that the IRS' resources are stretched so thin that they can do very little in terms of enforcement.
I know that it's hard not to interpret anything a federal agency (especially the IRS) involves itself in as bad and harmful since that it is so ingrained into the public's minds with so many negative associations, but try to step back and look at this impartially as possible. I'm not saying only my thoughts are wrong but to think of what actual, individual effects this and similar rule issues have.

Okay, I've been using the copy import for a little while now and thats been going okay but here's a major bug I've been running into:
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.035 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.035 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    14.4 LTC    10.35 USD    149.04 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.035 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.035 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.035 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.035 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.035 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.035 USD    10.04.14 08:53

putting aside the 14.4, guess how much LTC i've bought according to the portfolio? 0.2 LTC. I get that detecting duplicate trades seems like a good idea at first for people that don't know how to copy paste but it's a major inconvenience when you are copying a few pages of trades to have to either copy them into excel first to combine them all into a single trade, import pages unchanged and try to catch and fix them, change values so that it's like:
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.034 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.035 USD    10.04.14 08:54
LTC/USD    buy    0.1 LTC    10.35 USD    1.036 USD    10.04.14 08:54
which is also a pain. At some point I remember thinking "well I'll just use the 'test import' button to see where the dupes are then fix it." Big mistake, since test import doesn't detect dupes. Recently I copied in about 8-10 pages of trades throughout 2 days that I thought I fixed the dupes on and only noticed after that something got messed up. My option is to delete everything and start over, try to find the mess-up by comparing trade history side-by-side, or to spend an hour or two deleting every trade after a specific date and time (I say hours because there is no way to delete more than one trade or less than all of them at a time, you have to click delete. popup confirm. page load. scroll. why not some simple checkbox by each trade and then a delete button? it could still popup a list of each selected one to confirm)
And it's not like I can say "well I just won't buy/sell the same amount/price at the same time" If a user puts in 50 sells for 0.1 at 10.35USD thats how it gets filled when I enter 'buy 5 LTC at 10.35"
I hope I've made the case that this feature is clearly a bug. I can't see many users being helped by this and can imagine users constantly having their trade history distorted by it,  so can we get a simple disable option for dummy duplicate warnings, or rather make it so that its just a warning and not a forced purge?

Thanks for reading and your anticipated response,
tuna

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Why would any federal agency need to be incorporated? You do realize the IRS is a federal agency and not a public/private corporation and thus would not be (or required to be) incorporated to operate within the U.S.?

Sounds like a load from a chain email from 1996 or some similar garbage. 

Really? I think anyone that's familiar with including gains/losses on their tax return would find it pretty easy; and for anyone thats never done capital gains/losses would find it about the same difficulty as manually entering your 1099-D. I had to enter values from a 1-K from an LLC this year, now that was rough.
If you haven't kept records or have 1000's of trades and never looked at how much you've gained/lost then it might be cumbersome.

I haven't looked over the specifics of mining and how that applies though.
Have you asked anyone for help?

You have gone through every legal document from congress? That's incredible, how many years did it take you?
Anyway, "Shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived" so yes they can. As for the IRS not being able to, I'm surprised you don't know this Mr. I read every law ever, but Congress has authorized the IRS to create rules and rulings to define what is and what isn't income, thus this power has been delegated to the IRS much in the same fashion that different powers have been delegated to each Federal agency.


You didn't hear about the SCOTUS bitcoin case? The justices ruled 5-4 that if the coins were mined on a computer that touched Clarence Thomas' balls then there is a 100% tax on them and the FBI will take them from you by force...dunno how you missed that.


Both? If you don't think the IRS has this authority then file a suit against them stating they don't have the authority.

lol.

But anyway, really the people that honestly think---and can't be convinced otherwise---that IRS taxing bitcoin gains will kill bitcoin are usually the hardcore libertarian types that help to hold back bitcoin. Regulation is inevitable and is actually a good thing, it basically means a major branch of the federal gov is saying that they think bitcoin is going to be around and widespread enough to warrant issuing guidelines; this and other agency involvement makes larger traditional finance players (banks, hedge funds, prop firms) take it more seriously as well as other countries then following suit and creating similar regulations and then, even more importantly, businesses will know how to handle it and feel more comfortable accepting it knowing that there are less unknowns about its future.
As for the actual tax implications/recent IRS memo, none of it is really that bad. Depending on your current income bracket, what kind of tax credits you get, and how much income you made from selling bitcoin, your liability could be close to zero.  But if you made like $50,000+ last year just on cashing in bitcoin and aren't paying then fuck you cheapskate, pay your taxes.
As for the mining part, the IRS ruling was pretty silly, they should have just said that anything mined is unrealized gains until its sold, then once miners convert to USD they could be taxed. Sure miners could use btc to buy things instead and you'd get some tax avoidance but I can't see this amount being relevant as far as federal revenue goes.

I'm also surprised no one has came out with this in the fashion that you'd see on google finance where you just fill-in "add a symbol" and get a nice overlay.
What i've done in the past, and this is a pain in the ass, is use a window transparency program to put a semi-transparent window over another, keep in mind the scales all need to be the same (i.e. the charts need to have same price min and max)
Actual Transparent window works good and is fairly simple: http://majorgeeks.com/files/details/actual_transparent_window.html‎
Second, this isn't exactly the same but it works similarly. http://btccharts.com/ will let you load different charts side by side and if you turn on the universal cursor (something like that) it will tell you the price and % diff of where you mouseover for each exchange.

Still would be nice to have a simple chart with multiple exchanges overlayed

LOL. good one, btc-e support doing anything ASAP is hilarious. I mean I hope so too, just don't have much faith in their support staff.
 Assuming there is no fix from them do you think it will be possible to tweak the way you query the API so that it only retrieves trades after X date? I'd kind of prefer this anyway even if btc-e fixed their end since I have not much use for trade data from 2012 and whatnot, I really just want to be able to "start" from the past couple months. If there was a way to do this then I'd feel alot better about getting a year of unlimited membership.

I still think the site is coming along very well and encourage you to keep up the good work, there is enough people trading cryptocoins that a site like this could be very valuable to you and the community.

I haven't used the service in a while but I logged in for the first time in a while and saw how much things had came along and decided to give it a go and upgraded to pro. I used the btc-e import tool to bring over my transactions but I have way more than 1700 (or whatever the limit is) so I decided to try for ultimate for a year. However when I imported my API data from btc-e there is always only 1880 transcations, the newest being 70+ days old, even though on the btc-e API page it says "last trade: today's date"
Also I have negative NVC, CNC, etc. and i'm not sure how.
If there was a way to either get all my transactions or set it so it only queries the past year of trading that would be great.
At any rate some help would be much appreciated.

I recently purchased a domain and hosting but its been about 10 years since I owned a domain and remember nothing. What I need is assistance with is:
1) getting an email setup at my domain
2) help remembering how the hell to go from "404" to "hello world"

I'll give $15 of btc for help with both and maybe more depending on how dumb I am. I'm only looking to build a single page domain with text and a couple images and I know the html I need for that, it's everything before it that's fuzzy. If you aren't interested but know of a good guide to link to and it helps me I'll gladly tip you, so if you post something helpful please leave an address for tips.
If your interested in helping then reply, pm, or send me a message on IRC on freenode.net /msg tunafizz
I can't imagine this will take too long.