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381  Economy / Scam Accusations / POLL: Is TradeFortress a scammer? TRUSTED FORUM MEMBER, lol on: March 11, 2013, 06:43:01 PM
This poll is for sublime's Scammer list - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149147.0;all
My summary/viewpoint of charges against TradeFortress:
1) I had a horrible experience trying to get my site coded by TF.
2) He intentionally scammed me out of 27 BTC.
3) He knew he did not have the level of skill or experience required to sell web-programming services for a commercial bitcoin accounts based website.
4) He misrepresented his experience by failing to correct my mistaken belief that he coded a bitcoin accepting website in the past, specifically https://bitzino.com/ the website in his forum sig. This obviates any claim of "buyer beware" for his services.
5) He attempted to do what was necessary to present the appearance of successfully coding my site, but as the code/final site provided reveals, this was still a non-operable site that did not forward bitcoins correctly and was written so poorly and has so many bugs and non-usable aspects it is unsuitable to be sold as commercial website design. The only publicly released version of his final product (as of now) is available here:
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/398233/Moneypak-zip.html
direct link - http://94.75.216.85/en/file/398233/Moneypak-zip.html
I have stopped hosting it since I don't want customers to associate this non-functional and unusable site with my domain. I am instead paying for a complete rewrite of the site.
6) TF has not released a functional version of the website I paid 27 BTC to be completed.
7) TF agreed to pay arbitration, but never filed the case and instead slandered me in emails to the judge.me arbitration service and has not paid the fee for the case I filed at judge.me.
Cool I've agreed to send any funds recovered from TF to charity.
9) TF Scam thread with lengthy details here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126588.0;all
10) TF Review thread with more details of our dispute here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146319.0
11) TF solicited more work from others, using the non-functional/unfinished web-development he did for me, but few others were actually scammed and one user reports a good experience, however their site is apparently non-functional as of this post (see above threads).
12) Careful review of the evidence in the linked threads will prove TF is a scammer and not a proficient web-developer.
UPDATE:
13) "Penetration Tested" MY SITE without permission: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223665.msg2352785#msg2352785
14) TF made several unsolicited attempts to extort large amounts of coin for trivial security fixes to my site: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223665.msg2408594#msg2408594

UPDATE: These are the 2 places to find most of the TF scam reports:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=67058
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151880.msg2702121#msg2702121
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382  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer Trade Fortress on: March 11, 2013, 06:01:35 PM
Back on topic. I think I've mentioned this before, but I believe it still applies: it's not a scam even if your claim is true. What happened to you is that you paid TF for a website and he delivered a site that you're not happy with and that you claim was poorly designed. It's a case of buyer beware to me. You're well within your rights to give him a negative review if you're unhappy with his work (which you've already done), but claiming that he stole your money doesn't fit the situation.
If you had paid TF to design a website and he ran off with your money, then you'd have a good claim to label him a scammer.
I see your point, TF elaborate methods of covering his tracks after taking the 27 BTC seems to have insulated him pretty well from accountability in this forum.
I guess if TF ever successfully finishes the job I paid him for, then your view would have more grounding, but as of now, the last work I received from him was non-functional as I described in the other thread (with links to the web-code available above for inspection).
383  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitInstant loses $12,000 in digital heist on: March 10, 2013, 11:22:33 PM
Well, it's a vast improvement from the good old days where only 10k+ Bitcoins were considered a 'heist'.
ditto, what is the amount of BTC from this "heist"?
384  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: TradeFortress Review Thread on: March 10, 2013, 11:16:41 PM
[...]I've been working with him for awhile and the site is actually quite complicated: www.terrawallet.com and I've been happy so far.
I hadn't thought about future code maintenance, perhaps I will speak with him about this, but I personally can't support a scammer tag at this point. I would say to try giving him another chance- Debugging is a long and hard process something that I think both sides need to dedicate a lot of time to.
Excellent, did he give you a time-frame for when it will be up so we can see how it works? Do you mind telling how much he received from you so far?
Has TF completed any commercial websites that we can review and know the cost he charged for the coding job?
It looks complicated and at least you knew in advance that he's never coded a TRC website, so there's bound to be "bugs" in that process. One of my problems was that when I asked him about making a site to accept BTC similar to the one in his sig, he just went with it like he's programmed a commercial site that allows for BTC deposits. Then I find out later the site he tried to make for me would have been the first BTC deposit taking site he's completed  (if he had ever got it to work reliably).
Saw this on the front page-
Quote
two factor auto
I assume thats 2 factor auth.
LOL, Yeah, I just saw that. But the owner could go through the code and edit it if he really cared, that's not TF fault. Or maybe the owner didn't report the error to TF yet.
Is it normal to have to go through every little piece of a commercial web-programmer's work and need to correct things like this? Maybe I've been spoiled by dealing with artisans who give guarantees/warranties on their work.
385  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer Trade Fortress on: March 10, 2013, 11:01:53 PM
ON TOPIC UPDATE TO MY TF SCAM CASE:
I have no financial need to recover the 27 BTC TF scammed me for and I am willing to donate it to an acceptable charity.
I have publicly agreed to donate 100% of the scammed coins TF took from me to charity.
So far I've recovered
--0--
of the 27 coins TF scammed from me (he scammed them by pretending to competently develop my website, story in this thread and also the thread here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146319.0)
I see there's no updates on his work products or reviews thereof so hopefully he's stopped doing it, but after making this kind of money that's unlikely.
How does the poll thing work again?
Also, I was briefly banned from posting to forum or sending messages for "SPAM". What are the forum rules on that? It's tough following the rules of my community if I don't know them. . .
386  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: MASTER'S SCAMMER LIST on: March 08, 2013, 01:50:56 PM
I see your point and can understand not stickying it.
However, sublime is investigating the supposed type 2 cases which are otherwise excluded for scrutiny and this seems legitimate and commendable.
In my case, I disagree with you.
The agreement with TF had me pay the enitire cost of programming up front and leaves only recovery of what I've paid.
AFAIK there are no allegations of scam against me other than trying to recover my payment to TF.
I have no financial need to recover the 27 BTC TF scammed me for and I am willing to donate it to an acceptable charity.
This seems to all but remove any scam attempt by me (unless I'm really dedicated to funding some charity).
The reason I am pursuing TF is because I believe in a marketplace where people should be able to buy services without going through what I went through. TF is only going to continue representing himself as a competent programmer and WILL scam again for the fourth (or more) time using the same hook unless he is tagged. His actions in failing to start arbitration at judge.me as he said (and instead flaming me to judge.me) prove that he is not interested in resolving my complaint against him in a fair manner (when he refused even a partial refund, this became clear).

I am a highly trusted party in many circles who is constantly surprised by the degree of unscrupulous activity when money is involved. In this case, TF knew how expensive good programming skills are worth and represents himself as able to provide those services. This is blatant scamming of the type 1 variety IMHO that is masked as type 2 scamming.

side-note - are there any competent programmers who can be trusted with thousands of bitcoins? I have several projects I need to work on and
387  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer Trade Fortress on: March 08, 2013, 01:19:03 PM
Cutting to the facts you use in your analysis
Also the move moneypaktrader pulled in starting his own arbitration and then choosing split the costs set off all sorts of red flags for me.
Good thing I started the arbitration or it would never have been filed and we'd be left with TF BS about Real ID needed. Unfortunately, you can NOT file arbitration with judge.me and ask the other person to pay the full amount. I agreed to pay half the cost after TF raised that as an excuse (even though TF previously said he'd pay the full cost). I fell into the trap some of you are in (believing that if I addressed TF complaints, he might go through and follow his word by paying the other half). Obviously his comment on this topic was subterfuge and it worked like his other subterfuges worked in distracting people from the real issue. This is how he does the work too - TF move #1 - Give me a final product that fails spec in multiple ways and ask me go through and find all the bugs to correct. Typical customer response - try to explain all the bugs to him. Repeat TF move #1 with excuses as to why he can't perform correctly and as much misdirection as possible. He KNEW the spec when he submitted the final site to me every time it failed, so when he submitted it the last time, I was within my rights to reject his contract for fraud.
Hopefully that clears up the facts a little.

It is funny that the scammer who took 27 btc from me, 15 from another, more from another, probably more from others. . .  ends up as the one people seem to side with even after I posted his code for public review.
He knows just enough about coding to be dangerous and lead people on to take more coin from them.
He got me, but hopefully this thread is preventing others from losing coin to him.

I can understand if people don't like my writing, but to allow theft/fraud of coin from me because of that is a little overboard.

I'll ask the important part again, did you have a contract?
Yes, the contract started with me asking for a site that could process bitcoin deposits similar to the site in his sig. He agreed (implying that he designed that site, probably how he does the scam). Months later I realize he's never coded a bitcoin deposit taking website.
When a person engages in a trade, they have a duty to perform competently or else they will be responsible for refunds. I had no agreement to give him money for sub-standard non-functional work.
I am responsible for giving him the 27 BTC and facilitating his scam, true. But I am definitely within my rights to cancel his contract because he breached it by submitting a final website (multiple times) that failed to meet the requirements of the contract.

Anyways, all this would be resolved in arbitration. Unfortunately judge.me is apparently unable/unwilling to do it. If they ever explain why the case is being ignored, we will know the reason, until then we can only speculate.
I'd pay half for arbitration but it's obvious TF has no intention of refunding any of my coin regardless of the arbitrator's ruling.
I like sublime's idea of having open arbitration in the forums, which is kinda what we're doing here.
I submitted my evidence (which is undisputed as far as I can tell) -
1) I paid 27 BTC.
2) I received this (after much back and forth on his inability to code the site correctly) - http://94.75.216.85/en/file/398233/Moneypak-zip.html
3) I canceled the contract.
4) TF refuses any refund.
5) At least 2 other forum users have similar complaints (one has scammer tag though).
6) TF agreed to pay arbitration but never filed the case (TF instead emailed judge.me with complaints against me, preventing my case from being allowed, see below).
I said I was going to contact judge.me support because you're not identifying yourself with a full legal name. [...] Nor any other response after I mentioned you run a money laundering business on the silk road.
7) It appears that instead of filing/paying the fee, TF intentionally sabatoged the arbitration with unfounded false allegations. . .
388  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer Trade Fortress on: March 07, 2013, 02:22:45 PM
Perfect. Send TF a list of all the problems/changes you want made and have him fix/make them.
Did you have a contract with him?
Already done a long time ago and after much time wasted, the final site submissions continuously failed to meet the agreed specs and he has been fired.
If the mechanic on your car fails repeatedly to fix/improve it as you ask and it's obvious he is unqualified to do the original task, you don't ask him to keep working on it do you?
I guess that's the heart of the dispute though. If someone is unskilled/unable to do the job they say they can do, should they get time to learn and keep hammering at the job until it resembles what they agreed? I say no, if they can't / don't perform, then I shouldn't need to go through the work and tell them to bring everything into compliance (for the 3rd/4th times).
He knew all along the site needed a way to get bitcoins in and out and claimed (again) it was working on his final submission of the site. When he says it's working and basic tests show it's not, I won't argue with him about it, begging him to do the site correct, he's fired. He had plenty of warning that his work on the site was failing specs and it is no surprise to him being fired.
Ultimately his  willingness to pretend he is not an incompetent programmer allowed his scam to work. Along with pretending to know how to code a bitcoin ecommerce site (pretending to have done the site in his sig).
389  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: MASTER'S SCAMMER LIST on: March 07, 2013, 02:07:22 PM
The best way to get your case reviewed quickly... Post a poll with all relevant information and links, after 48 hours if the poll is 60 percent or more in favor of marking scam the person or institution in question will be added to the pending scammer list. If the scam is time based you can message me if I have time I will review it as quick as possible.

This a list of all known scammer pages on Bitcoin Forums this list also includes all known pending cases
If you are approached to a transaction check here first
If you know of a scam and can prove it post all information and it will be reviewed.
I can only imagine a few scenarios where people would be opposed to these goals:
Personal bias -
   As with TF case, many people are biased against me because of my ultra cheap MP's and/or otherwise biased for TF and willing to overlook the 27 BTC he conned from me. Personal attacks using off-topic material show the personal biases in this thread pretty clearly.
Pro-Scammer -
   Being against scammer detection and identification seems to qualify as pro-scammer.

Otherwise, can't see a legitimate reason to oppose the work being done here. There are scammers freely using the forums here to steal BTC and OP is trying to hold them accountable. People like to respond with personal attacks instead of weighing the facts of the case/thread in a fair manner.
Maybe people want the scammers to continue stealing from people here. . .
390  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer Trade Fortress on: March 07, 2013, 01:40:37 PM
I paid 27 BTC (currently valued over $1K USD).
I received this as the final product: http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/398233/Moneypak-zip.html
direct link - http://94.75.216.85/en/file/398233/Moneypak-zip.html

Therefore TF scammed me for 27 BTC.

The BS about arbitration was apparently redirection away from the facts of the dispute. TF has no intention on following through with arbitration at judge.me or anywhere else or he would have done so. It's very simple to file an arbitration claim as I did, but instead TF tried to weasel out on the name issue which he failed at.

You can judge for yourself based on the facts. maybe you think a website that doesn't accept btc deposits correctly and doesn't allow PW changes is acceptable. . . He pretended like he coded the decent looking bitcoin website in his sig when I asked him to do a site like that, but obviously he has little to no ability to code a bitcoin site like I asked for. Having the site spit out errors constantly and not even load if the connection to mtgox or blockchain is down is also unacceptable. The site he made is worthless to me.
Having that website in his sig while advertising coding skills is obviously fraudulently implying he coded it and can code something close to that. Particularly because I asked for a site like that and he went along with that for the deal we made.

I've addressed the legality issue of my services in my thread.
391  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: you can Pay BTC to load your debit/credit card! AND you get 8% more $ over spot! on: March 07, 2013, 05:13:55 AM
I have successful purchased a MoneyPack.

Made the deal via Torchat, the reply was prompt and my reload was processed one confirmation after I sent BTC. Would buy again.
You really downplay the extent to which you trusted me with your BTC, but I can understand if you want to keep the quantity of BTC you sent first under wraps. . .
Regardless, I appreciate the feedback and hope to work with you more in the future.
It seems the demand is overwhelming for relatively anonymous and easy to purchase coins, did some of the easy/anonymous coin buying services shut down?
Anyways, I have way too many MP's flooding in, customers waiting for days to get their coins.
I NEED more cards to put these MP's on.
I recommend only 2 loads per week, but will do as many as the buyer wants. Cards will get shut down for receiving too many loads! You've been warned.
Why do I pay 9% more USD to your card for your BTC? Simple, because people are selling their MP's for cheaper and I keep the difference, Here it is explained again:
Alright, so what is going on here?
There are 1) people who want to buy BTC and 2) people who can sell their BTC.
I'm just connecting the 2 parties.

1) People are willing to pay 15% over market prices to use Moneypak to buy their BTC.
They contact me with their codes wanting BTC.

2) I'll help people get 8% profit by accepting these MP to their debit cards.

There's no special tricks or illegal activity going on, just simple supply and demand.

You realize for any scam to work they have to have one or two things "work" first then the flood of others follow and thus the scam moves forward.
True, this is why it will be important for customers to follow this thread (and post feedback for your trades, whether you buy a $50 load or a $1000 load).
Also, with the 15 minute service I offer through Torchat, any scam I do will be short lived, because you'll know after an hour that it's a scam.
Maybe try $100 or so if you're scared to buy $1K loads at a time.
Some customers have sent over 100 BTC up front and just tell me to load it according to a schedule. Unfortunately, the people who order several thousand dollars of loads aren't likely to post in here for the same reason I don't share my IRL ID (would make me a target).
392  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer Trade Fortress on: March 07, 2013, 04:33:58 AM
He never agreed to reveal his ID to you, he shouldn't have to now. You are the one who didn't deliver a usable product. That is the main reason I have never dealt with MPT, he needs to protect is ID, I only like to deal with people I can look into.
You are going to be put on the pending scammer list until this issue is resolved.     
Thanks, I posted the code TF delivered as a final product. My current programmer has required a complete rewrite because it's unusable. If any programmers are willing to review TF product here, it should make labeling TF a scammer easier (the work speaks for itself). Of course TF is free to post his version of his final version of my site if he believes his work I posted is inaccurate.
Here it is again: http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/398233/Moneypak-zip.html
direct link - http://94.75.216.85/en/file/398233/Moneypak-zip.html

I said I was going to contact judge.me support because you're not identifying yourself with a full legal name. You filed a case regardless, with your summary and ticked the box that clearly said split the fee.
So you refused to file with judge.me and now you're refusing to pay for the case I filed because I am doing something you knew about me from before we ever contracted to have the site built? Anyways, I'll split the fee if you want to do that, pay your half and I'll pay my half in BTC. But, you already agreed to pay the filing fee, so this only makes you look even more guilty by reneging on that.
Strange that they would only tell one party? From email: "We always need either the name of the individual or the company representative."Didn't you get that? Complain to judge.me about it, not me, because I'm not support@judge.me. [emphasis changed]
They have the company representative info. You're not going to evade your promises that way. Either pay the full fee as you promised or pay half. Obviously if you paid the arbitration fee and they canceled it because of my fault you'd get the money back.
Don't try so hard to be a weasel.
Does anyone have the IRL info for TF? It's pretty obvious he's a scammer and it would help with collections.
I have NOT received any paypal invoice or instructions on paying. Nor any other response after I mentioned you run a money laundering business on the silk road. Plus, YOU filed the case, you used your summary, you file yourself as a "business" (registration numbers?)
Don't be such a liar, it went to your admin@glados.cc account. Check the spam folder and/or stop lying about that.
It's the same email you received confirmation of the arbitration I filed (which you posted in this thread), so I know you're getting the emails from them.
I'm not going to waste more of my time with this pointless drama, get your shit together, use your real name (which I already supplied to judge.me), don't tick the "Split the fee" and than ask me why I'm not paying the fee, and don't blame me when judge.me doesn't respond.
Ok, so you gave them my name. Good, glad you can't hide behind that any more.
But now you're abandoning your arbitration offer? And you think everyone is going to just trust you with more BTC? I pity the fool who doesn't do their research on you. You need a scammer tag before you steal even more unsuspecting forum user's BTC.
I'm offering to pay half the arbitration fee now, since it's impossible to file and have the other person pay the full fee (which you must know). Anyways, I filed, I'll pay half the fee in BTC if they take that or someone will pay the paypal and I'll pay them for it.
Anyways, you are obviously reneging on your offer for arbitration and it seems you never intended to pay it anyways. . .
If you keep flinging shit at me to get me to give you 27 BTC back after you found a developer who does it cheaper and when BTC price tripled, it's not going to work. Proceed with arbitration.
I offered to let you off for less, you refused. Now you owe the full amount for fully failing to do the job. You need to give me all the btc back because the new programmer is completely redoing the code and you have no right to keep btc for a job you couldn't do from the start. You have no right to any portion of the payment, because you couldn't do the job and your work is unfit to be sold as web-programming.
Pay the fee or half the fee and we'll arbitrate. Don't pay and it's obvious you're a scammer.
You stole/scammed 27 BTC from me thinking I was not going to follow through in the forums or you could discount me the way you discounted the initial poster here.

Bottom Line:
I renew my claim that TF and all his identities on here should get the scammer tag because he offered to pay for arbitration openly in here and is now backing out. Coupled with the fact he scammed me out of 27 BTC and there are 2 other reports of him scamming by using programming as the draw.
393  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer Trade Fortress on: March 03, 2013, 07:39:57 PM
UPDATE:
I decided to go ahead and file the case rather than wait for him. It was a simple process and both TF and myself were emailed with the details that he shared already.
 TF has NOT paid the filing fee fore the case I filed at judge.me and I don't see any case that he filed (maybe because he never filed his case?).
The quote he shared appears to be for the case I filed.
I notified judge.me of TF willingness to pay the filing fee which they are waiting for.
Now it is TF turn to pay the fee to complete the filing:
From: Judge.me Sat 02:14
"Thank you for using judge.me.
Our records indicate that both parties agreed to split the arbitration fee. Trade Fortress, could you please confirm whether or not you want to pay tbe entire fee upfront or split the fee upfront?
Kind regards,
Peter-Jan Celis
www.judge.me
Skype: peter.jan.celis"
[...] EDIT: It seems like the case isn't going to go through. Judge.me told me that they need the name of the individual or company representative, and MoneyPakTrader doesn't seem to want to disclose it.
Strange that they would send an email to only you about this supposed issue about my information. My experience with judge.me is that they correspond to both parties together (see above).
Can you share the exact quote? Was it from Peter or someone else?

Bottom Line for TF:
Please pay the full arbitration fee (as you promised above) so we can get to damages issue and have you reimburse my losses from your failure to code properly.

I'm releasing a zip of TF final product of my site moneypaktrader.com :
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/398233/Moneypak-zip.html
direct link - http://94.75.216.85/en/file/398233/Moneypak-zip.html
If any programmers want to review it and comment on whether it is suitable as commercial web-design/development work, please do so.
Please don't change the PW, so people can test out his bitcoin deposit system, or if someone does change it, you'll need to set up a new blockchain account to test it. It did work once for 0.001 BTC deposit I think. Feel free to steal that, but don't change PW.
394  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer Trade Fortress on: March 01, 2013, 11:29:49 PM
Where did TF reneg on his offer to cover arbitration?
Well after I accepted his offer both in the forums and through PM, TF continues to show activity in the forums yet hasn't gone through with his offer to start arbitration.
He just messaged me requesting information for judge.me arbitration which I provided, we'll see what happens next.
395  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer Trade Fortress on: March 01, 2013, 07:51:47 PM
Update: TF is apparently reneging on his arbitration offer.

I believe TF is a SCAMMER because:
1) He scammed me out of 27 BTC by promising to deliver a site he was incapable of programming.
2) He is refusing to cooperate in the investigation process of his scam work on my site (he won't show his "final product" code here and is reneging on arbitration). Public review of his work on my site will obviously be very embarrassing for him, thus it is very unlikely for him to settle our dispute openly.
3)  He has scammed others (he probably thought it was safe to scam other scammers, but he got greedy and started scamming more forum members and obviously has plans to continue to do so).

How can he prove he is not a scammer?
1) Post his finished code for my site and link us the address so we can review it. This will show whether he was really trying to create my site or just throwing enough code together to let him steal a hefty 27BTC with the plausible deniability that he tried to code the site.
-OR-
2) Follow through with his offer to pay for arbitration at judge.me
-OR-
3) Refund me the 27 BTC I paid for the site.
396  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: TradeFortress Review Thread on: March 01, 2013, 07:22:06 PM
TF has refused my settlement offer and is reneging on his arbitration offer.

I encourage TF customers to review his work in here, Love it? Hate it? Want to use his services but don't have any reason to?

I hope his potential victims are able to see this thread and his scammer thread before making a decision either way since TF is intent on finding more unsuspecting "customers" to separate from their coins.
397  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer Trade Fortress on: February 28, 2013, 06:02:01 PM
@ moneypaktrader My dad is a computer engineer and has owned his own software company for 20 years (Norlinx out of RTP) if you would like I can have him look over the code this weekend when I go to visit, he would defiantly be able to say if it was done correctly and if it was done by a competent programmer or not. If you would like me to have him take a look just let me know.
TF, will you please publish your "finished site" code and share the link so we can have it reviewed?
I can share what was published on my site by TF, but he might say I rewrote it to make it craptastic.
Even if TF attempts to fix it and publish his revised "final product" code, I'm sure it won't be a usable product.

[...]Without actually seeing it we can't honestly know if it's good or bad. TF claims it was working when sent and now doesn't work. Did you or anyone change it in any way?
AFAIK Carlos L. only fixed one CRITICAL problem with the site which I'll disclose after the code is published, but it is otherwise available (as TF declared it finished) at moneypaktrader.com until we get the new site up on there.
Otherwise, nobody changed his code, it failed for several reasons, once TF publishes the code and shares the link, we can review its deficiencies and see how craptastic it is.
One time, when TF gave me the "finished" site when logins didn't even work, it took forever for him to get admin panel viewable, and now there's still numerous reasons why the site is useless for the initial intent (BTC deposit for Debit Card Loading). TF had the site using a wallet on blockchain for btc deposits with forwarding to the cold wallet, but this was broken as I demonstrated in the other thread. Maybe he has since corrected the deficiency, probably not.
Further, it seemed the site is inaccessable when bitcoin price api was inaccessible - another critical problem. And numerous errors are returned consistently, even displaying the blockchain login/PW in one error message I received. TF did say I could turn off error messages on server to prevent that though. . .
Of course professional programmers could better analyze the site's deficiencies, I'm only able to comment on the surface level visible stuff.
398  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer Trade Fortress on: February 28, 2013, 04:05:52 PM
Still no acceptance of legally binding arbitration from MoneyPakTrader.com. Judge.me accepts bitcoin, and I'd like to go with that to increase use of the currency.
I've already addressed this issue a couple posts above.
Also, in response to why don't I let TF finish the site:
The reason I don't let him finish is because his work is horrible and after I repeatedly reported the problems in his finished product and being given another "finished product" by him that didn't work up to the specs, I have no obligation to let him string me on any more while delivering shoddy work.
I encourage other users to try TF coding and judge for themselves rather than trusting the 3 people who are unsatisfied with his work.
I see he now offered to pay the $300 fee to use judge.me after you made this comment about resolution. This seems strange as I offered to let him out of the contract for 12 BTC (out of the 27 I paid). I am willing to arbitrate.
I am offering to pay for legally binding arbitration. [...] I suggest judge.me.[...]
I accept your offer and choice (judge.me). Since you're paying the cost ($300).
It seems that unless I accept, I would definitely lose all 27BTC.
I am reluctant to use this service when there are no published cases, but it seems I have no other viable option for recovering my loss.
Assuming TF pays for arbitration to decide how much of a refund he owes me, that would be great. I encourage other coders to assist in reviewing TF's finished site he gave me and judge for themselves if it is a finished product.
 I shouldn't need to go through every basic aspect of the site and tell him how it doesn't work, that's what I was doing with TF. Finally when the Bitcoin deposit system (an integral part of the site which was the first thing I asked him to do for the site) was non-functional after TF attempted to deliver a working bitcoin deposit system for the 10th time or so, I demonstrated it didn't work and posted the evidence (in the other forum thread).

As TF drags this out, it becomes obvious he is using my coins to "go long" as he says with BTC intending to keep the profit of any price increases.
TF, if you're not going to reimburse the 16 BTC I'm paying to finish the job you said was done (only 12BTC after giving you the craptastic programmer discount), my settlement offer will be revoked 24hrs from this post. I am holding you responsible for theft of 27 BTC through fraud/scam through misrepresentation of services. Your coding is not worthy of being sold. You can send your "finished product" of my site to any competent programmer and they will say the same thing. You could continue to finish the site you repeatedly said was already finished and it would still be craptastic and unacceptable on the most cursory review. I contracted for TF to set up the site on my server, so complaining about the server is non-excusable.
After it became obvious TF was incapable of delivering a usable product that wasn't buggy (when he delivered a "final product" to me for about the 10th time which was full of bugs), I was obligated to stop trusting him with my website. Any rational business owner would have done the same (probably a lot sooner). My mistake was trusting him when there were obvious signs of his coding incompetence from the start. He pretended to know how to do everything I wanted from the start and then after I give him coins, he blamed the site/server and everything except his own incompetence for his inability to do what he promised. Now he blames me, like I sabotaged his masterpiece so that I could pay someone else to fix it. It makes no sense, if he gave me a complete product worth paying for I wouldn't need to hire someone else to do the job. . .

As most clients looking for website development, my goal is a finished website that is secure, functional, well designed, and capable of being expanded. TF work on my site was counter-productive to all these goals.
For these reasons, I feel my settlement offer is overly generous and lets TF make off with 15 BTC, FAR more than he earned by giving me a worthless/nonfunctional website. Hopefully we can have another programmer review his code and they will agree it is NOT a finished website as TF claimed. There is a point in the contracting process where the client can say, enough is enough, I was well beyond that point with TF and well within my rights to fire him for incompetence.
399  Economy / Scam Accusations / Related Thread on: February 28, 2013, 02:25:42 AM
Here is the related thread, these 2 threads are similar: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126588.0
Hopefully, we'll get this resolved, I wasn't expecting TF to be honorable after my horribly negative experience with him, but hopefully he will do the right thing. . .
400  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: TradeFortress Review Thread on: February 28, 2013, 02:19:38 AM
Where did he say that? I don't see it in this topic, and it certainly didn't say it in the other one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126588.0
In PM and also in the other thread there:
However, I have to say I suspect MoneyPakTrader is motivated by attempting to (and he will not) getting more money than he actually paid me with a free long on BTC. You went from asking if you owe me more to full refund to 16 BTC refund to 12 BTC refund. It's called trying to see how much you can get.
I guess he thinks giving him 27 BTC and getting back 12 or 16 is somehow beneficial to me by using him as my btc bank to go long in btc or something, wow, great logic there.

I reduced the refund request from 27 to 16 because my new programmer is charging 16 BTC for finishing the basic website TF was expected to complete. Although I should receive the full refund back for the hassle and incompetence of TF programming, 16 BTC will put me in the same position I should be in (out 27 BTC with a functional website).
I reduced it to 12 btc to give TF more incentive to pay while deciding the 4 btc loss/overpayment was acceptable since TF is such a lousy programmer and I should be getting a better website than TF could possibly create.
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