MASTER'S SCAMMER LIST

[sublime5447]

The best way to get your case reviewed quickly... Post a poll with all relevant information and links, after 48 hours if the poll is 60 percent or more in favor of marking scam the person or institution in question will be added to the pending scammer list. If the scam is time based you can message me if I have time I will review it as quick as possible.

This a list of all known scammer pages on Bitcoin Forums this list also includes all known pending cases
If you are approached to a transaction check here first
If you know of a scam and can prove it post all information and it will be reviewed.
 


MASTER'S SCAMMER LIST                                                                                         *  Indicates a deleted account

                                                    


CONFIRMED SCAMMERS


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147971.0 HyAfo (Scammer, Tries to get you to install a remote-access app so he can "configure" your GPU to mine LTC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146362.0 OrangeVonPurple (Scammer*, Possibly alt of marketersales . Went straight to selling XBoxLive points.)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141039.0 cardinalG (Scammer)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140049.0 cardinalG (Scammer)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140095.0 AndrewJ (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139935.0 constitution (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139257.0 tono18 (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139398.0 tono18 (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141182.0 hardup (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138513.0 hardup (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138153.0 hardup (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88315.00 unkn0wn12 (Scammer*)                                # REAL NAME ALEXSANDER SNIGUROWICZ
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136346.0 furrycoat (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137633.0 SouthernComfort (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136941.0 JonMcAlpine (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130251.0 Ploni (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136282.0 marketersales (Closed, Accused of scamming then "found loan elsewhere" but no TXID provided)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138131.0 Jakers (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136749.0 Jakers (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134835.0 Jakers (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131217.0 swc1 (Scammer)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128570.0 hackattack2077 (Scammer)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129508.0 Dakster (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126470.0 Dakster (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133368.0 Roxyoursox (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128437.0 Roxyoursox (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128017.0 andrew12 (Old dormant account suddenly revived and now asking for a loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126819.0 pereiaex (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122668.0 Serenity.Sapphire (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121136.0 pat231 (Scammer* though I suspect he's less a scammer and more likely just really bad at managing his money)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122082.0 hobo66. (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119384.0 CoinCleaner (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121012.0 LionHeart (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119824.0 LionHeart (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118514.0 Gretchen (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99233.00 noobularkid (Scammer*)




PENDING CASES


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148685.0 MultiVerseSupport
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126588.0 Tradefortress (pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149151.0 pyromaniac (pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148832.0 primeasics (pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148593.0 UncleBuckRIU (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146968.0 flavius (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146788.0 d3adleavez (Pending, New account + loan request)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146623.0 BigFigurez (Pending, Amazon gift cards + Loan request)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145505.0 RHCwebhosting (Pending, Multiple red-flags on this one. Should be pretty obvious)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145274.0 bluedye (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145219.0 nlovric (Pending, User appears to be legit)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145225.0 nlovric (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144992.0 ironcross360 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145195.0 emma (Pending, May be legit, but as always use caution. See: http://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,1179.msg6757.html)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144559.0 hiddenoreo (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144582.0 jspring (Pending, Gift cards)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142104.0 flatlinezor (Pending, Gift cards)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143883.0 tantienstar69 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143415.0 tantienstar69 (Pending, vouched for by audiation)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142058.0 koelen3 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137865.0 thomison360 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136785.0 chillywilly (Pending*, possible alt of cozz)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136306.0 teodor87 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138807.0 shoopwooper (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135612.0 shoopwooper (Pending*, "found loan elsewhere" but no TXID provided)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135459.0 Marker88 (Pending, long-dormant 2011 account recently revived)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133052.0 leominer (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=132983.0 AnonCard (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129567.0 SynOps (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130459.0 drakedog (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129557.0 heart_mons (Pending*, User has had one successful loan of 5BTC before, but going from 5->60BTC is a huge jump and raises some eyebrows)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134921.0 61197da925c1 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129615.0 61197da925c1 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=127143.0 quirky53 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=123435.0 Crookid (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120647.0 Metta28 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122729.0 RantinRave (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119831.0 jackdavis1983 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128160.0 SynOps (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121998.0 Ssoftware (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120233.0 Bitcoinscene (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119871.0 ChrisNelson (Pending*)

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[danieldaniel]

Sublime, SynOps has been here for a long time.  Check his OTC ratings, not just the forums: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Synops.

[sublime5447]

He will have to contact me or tomatocage himself this list is not mine it was taken from tomatocage. I dont use otc you can link to his rating if you like but I would let other users defend themselves. If you vouch for someone and then they scam you might be added to the pending cases.   

[John (John K.)]

Is there any difference between this and Tomatocage's list?

[sublime5447]

Yes the title is different "master scammer list". His is just "how to spot a scammer". This list has also been separated into two sections pending scammers and confirmed scammers. I asked him before I used his list. I used the site for a month before i found his list. I didn't look there because of the title. I already know how to weed out scammers. 
I asked him to edit his title to include scammer list and he didn't want to, i am guessing because he didn't want to maintain the list? but dont know

[sublime5447]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148832.0 primeasics (pending) 

PrimeAsic has been added under pending

[sublime5447]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149151.0 pyromaniac (pending) has been added

[sublime5447]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126588.0 Tradefortress (pending)  accused of delivering unusable products.

[sublime5447]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148685.0 MultiVerseSupport has been added

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Keep up the good work, sub. I know that this takes some effort.

[sublime5447]

Thanks I got sick of seeing people get stolen from. Someone needed to do it.

[sublime5447]

I would like this list tagged with a sticky and would appreciate the support of the senior members in deciding cases.

[sublime5447]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144665.0 tldoctor (Pending, more elaborate than a typical scammer, but numerous red flags are raised)

tldr has been removed he has proven to  be trust worthy

[shkiser]

add moneypakbuyer

[sublime5447]

sure link to the post where he is scaming you must provide evidence. Thanks

[laughingbear]

BTC-E + Balthazar, more pressing now that the NVC scam seems to be winding up/nvc crashing.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144353.0

[sublime5447]

I dont believe that this should be added to the list. From what I have seen the premined coins have been destroyed. If I am in error please explain why. I can't investigate every case, So what should be done in this case is to post a poll with relevant infromation. if after 48 hrs the poll is over 60 percent it will be added to the pending cases. 

[icicle]

Hi!

I had an account with Intersango when they were still Britcoin. I tried to log in a month ago. My login failed which isn't surprising as it is a new domain and porting sites over can be complicated so I contacted support, as you do.

Nothing. I sent the information requested which was the transaction number and the expected balance of the account. A month since I first had a problem I still have no login and foolishly, I had left my bitcoins with Amir. I'd exchanged a few emails with him, I thought he was a nice guy.

You would think that with the liquidation of Bitcoinica or whatever it's called, particularly when it comes to the apportionment of costs which is generally done on grounds of blame and fault and whatnot, that everyone would be falling over themselves to be seen to be acting in good faith, coming to the party with clean hands.

How about it Patrick and Amir? I've emailed you both already. Let me into my account please and let me get at my bitcoins.

Alexandra

[sublime5447]

please link to pages that support you claim, also the profiles of the accused. It will be review and a decision made whether to add them or not.
Thanks   

[icicle]

Thank you. I would like to give Intersango three more days to let me back in to my account just in case there has been a mix up. After that I'll post everything.

[Tomatocage]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144665.0 tldoctor (Pending, more elaborate than a typical scammer, but numerous red flags are raised)

tldr has been removed he has proven to  be trust worthy

Yeah I think tldoctor is probably legit. After reviewing his post history, it seems he can actually contribute to the forum... his loan request timing was just bad. I'll remove him from my lists as well.

[w8ks6]

thufir - one of the original disappearing cloud wallet scammers here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121033.msg1303811#msg1303811

If it's not the same guy who ran Mybitcoin. com, he followed right in his footsteps.
Probably still here under a different nick.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

LOL "MASTER'S" scammer list.

Looks like I'm still gonna ignore you.

[sublime5447]

you are on the list TF you need to respond to be removed
 
I am at my dads place he said he would review the code, just got done talking to him about it. If you dont respond you will be placed on the confirmed scammer list

[usagi]

you are on the list TF you need to respond to be removed
 
I am at my dads place he said he would review the code, just got done talking to him about it. If you dont respond you will be placed on the confirmed scammer list

Everyone who does stuff like this turns out to be a troll and/or abuse the power the community places in them. Micon is just one example, there are many others.

How do we know we can trust you to be responsible with a list like this?

[sublime5447]

I am not in control of it. The community makes and verifies the claims. if a case is in question I will post a poll or anyone can post a poll and if after 48 hours it says 60 percent or more in favor of being marked as a scammer it will stay other wise it will come off. I dont want to maintain this page but someone has to. I can let all these people keep getting fucked when I know it can be stopped. A large amount of it any way. With a simple list. 

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

I'm not going to bother clicking on show/hide of another of sublime's useless posts, but from what usagi quoted:

you are on the list TF you need to respond to be removed

LOL

No, I'm not going to respond to you. Btw, how's thinking bitcoin will fall and another alt cyptocurrency working out for ya while I've being longing it with max leverage? Don't bother responding cause I won't read it.

I've being responding actively to the thread of "I want 3x what I paid for back after I found someone to do it for cheaper, btw my requirements change every second email", but there's not much to say when I haven't got a response from support@judge.me.

[usagi]

I am not in control of it. The community makes and verifies the claims.

Then take tradefortress off the list.

[John (John K.)]

I am not in control of it. The community makes and verifies the claims.

Then take tradefortress off the list.

This +1.

[Atruk]

Everyone who does stuff like this turns out to be a troll and/or abuse the power the community places in them. Micon is just one example, there are many others.

How do we know we can trust you to be responsible with a list like this?

It might be to late for this one. He said he wanted to make a list of confirmed scammers and the power to make judgment calls has gone to his head and he keeps trying to inject himself deep into discussions. I flipped sublime off ignore to see what kind of drama he was going to stir with this and I'm probably going to hit the button again.

With the total lack of power invested in me I dub this: "The Ignored Scammers and Drama List Similar to Tomatocage's List"

A list of scammer tagged people would be useful. This started with a similar list, added a more pretentious title, and now he's yet another unelected representative of the community.

[John (John K.)]

Everyone who does stuff like this turns out to be a troll and/or abuse the power the community places in them. Micon is just one example, there are many others.

How do we know we can trust you to be responsible with a list like this?

It might be to late for this one. He said he wanted to make a list of confirmed scammers and the power to make judgment calls has gone to his head and he keeps trying to inject himself deep into discussions. I flipped sublime off ignore to see what kind of drama he was going to stir with this and I'm probably going to hit the button again.

With the total lack of power invested in me I dub this: "The Ignored Scammers and Drama List Similar to Tomatocage's List"

A list of scammer tagged people would be useful. This started with a similar list, added a more pretentious title, and now he's yet another unelected representative of the community.

That's why I only stickied Tomatocage's list. I find that his list is the least biased of all, and he does not have a personal agenda to push other than making scammers work harder.

[KWH]

I am not in control of it. The community makes and verifies the claims.

Then take tradefortress off the list.

Everyone who does stuff like this turns out to be a troll and/or abuse the power the community places in them. Micon is just one example, there are many others.

How do we know we can trust you to be responsible with a list like this?

It might be to late for this one. He said he wanted to make a list of confirmed scammers and the power to make judgment calls has gone to his head and he keeps trying to inject himself deep into discussions. I flipped sublime off ignore to see what kind of drama he was going to stir with this and I'm probably going to hit the button again.

With the total lack of power invested in me I dub this: "The Ignored Scammers and Drama List Similar to Tomatocage's List"

A list of scammer tagged people would be useful. This started with a similar list, added a more pretentious title, and now he's yet another unelected representative of the community.

That's why I only stickied Tomatocage's list. I find that his list is the least biased of all, and he does not have a personal agenda to push other than making scammers work harder.

I am not in control of it. The community makes and verifies the claims.

Then take tradefortress off the list.

This +1.

[danieldaniel]

I am not in control of it. The community makes and verifies the claims.

Then take tradefortress off the list.

This +1.

This +2.  TF is not a scammer at all.

[hardcore-fs]

BITMOFO :https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28926


Scam here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108832
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149130.0

Scammed 1.0 BTC
https://blockchain.info/tx/f06d765710b3c916a9b7f57718b52fdc7e6135d421a9a521d72b45bb90a0b560
Should have returned it to: 1AkJsm52muHNadJ1hMM9j32E92aH2GHMYr

Does not return Emails or the money, several others have been scammed too.
If he had been added to the list after last time, then his scam would not have suceeded

Following his bitcoin chain he uses other accounts as players to send himself money and in some cases sends funds back to non-players, as if they were involved.

[BitcoinMint.US]

Does anyone else see the irony of this thread being started by sublime? I am not an educated psychologist, but it seems to me that sublime and dank suffer from the same mental condition. It would take a great deal to convince me that they aren't the same person.  As such, I would advise against investing in whatever scheme he's trying failing to establish a rep to set the stage for.

[KWH]

Does anyone else see the irony of this thread being started by sublime? I am not an educated psychologist, but it seems to me that sublime and dank suffer from the same mental condition. It would take a great deal to convince me that they aren't the same person.  As such, I would advise against investing in whatever scheme he's trying failing to establish a rep to set the stage for.

You are not alone in your thinking.

[sublime5447]

I am not in control of it. The community makes and verifies the claims.

Then take tradefortress off the list.

When trade fortress post his code, that is shit I am sure for review. Or when someone post a poll about his status as a scammer amd it comes  back under 60 % he will be removed.

Several people have complaints about his services.

I trust MPT over TF but will honor the communities decision. This could be settled tomorrow my dad is a master computer programmer he said he would look at it.     

[BadBear]

Polls are a pretty bad way to determine someone's scammer status. Nothing wrong with tryingg though, I respect someone who doesn't just whine, but makes an effort to bring change.

[speeder]

Review all the threads about Andrew Bitcoiner please.

[sublime5447]

Damn tell me how you really feel.
Look dicks I made this page to help people I have no hidden agenda or secret plans. Ask anyone who I am Christopher M. North of rocky point North Carolina owner at NorthOutboards father of eric North husband to Amber North son to Alan North (owner of norlinx) http://www.norlinx.com/. Ask BCB who I am ask danieldaniel who I am. 

[gweedo]

Does anyone else see the irony of this thread being started by sublime? I am not an educated psychologist, but it seems to me that sublime and dank suffer from the same mental condition. It would take a great deal to convince me that they aren't the same person.  As such, I would advise against investing in whatever scheme he's trying failing to establish a rep to set the stage for.

No the best part about this whole thing is

father of eric North husband to Amber North 

He has a wife and son and he acts like a mental patient. All he does is go around contradicting himself, if you want a great laugh read the splitting of reserve funds for the forum, been here 3 seconds and he asked to hold funds for the forum, yet he is against everyone else, and then said he didn't say ask to hold 500BTCs of the funds. If this dude turned out to be the next atlas I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit.

[sublime5447]

qweedo read the fucking thread before you post. I am the only fucking person on the thread who isn't trying to suck off theymos to get the donated coins.

[sublime5447]

BITMOFO :https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28926


Scam here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108832
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149130.0

Scammed 1.0 BTC
https://blockchain.info/tx/f06d765710b3c916a9b7f57718b52fdc7e6135d421a9a521d72b45bb90a0b560
Should have returned it to: 1AkJsm52muHNadJ1hMM9j32E92aH2GHMYr

Does not return Emails or the money, several others have been scammed too.
If he had been added to the list after last time, then his scam would not have suceeded

Following his bitcoin chain he uses other accounts as players to send himself money and in some cases sends funds back to non-players, as if they were involved.

Thanks I will review it and post it.

[BadBear]

qweedo read the fucking thread before you post. I am the only fucking person on the thread who isn't trying to suck off theymos to get the donated coins.

Dealing with scammer cases ain't as easy as you'd think eh?

[poly]

I am not in control of it. The community makes and verifies the claims.

Then take tradefortress off the list.

This +1.

This +2.  TF is not a scammer at all.

This +3.

Nobody is going to take anything you say seriously - because you are not serious. There's nothing wrong with scammer lists, but this particular implementation is hilariously sad. Especially with this:

BITMOFO :https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28926


Scam here: lost money gambling here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108832
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149130.0

Scammed Lost 1.0 BTC
https://blockchain.info/tx/f06d765710b3c916a9b7f57718b52fdc7e6135d421a9a521d72b45bb90a0b560
Should have returned it to: 1AkJsm52muHNadJ1hMM9j32E92aH2GHMYr

Does not return Emails or the money, several others have been scammed too.
If he had been added to the list after last time, then his scam would not have suceeded

Following his bitcoin chain he uses other accounts as players to send himself money and in some cases sends funds back to non-players, as if they were involved.

Thanks I will review it and post it.

[steamboat]

I am not in control of it. The community makes and verifies the claims.

Then take tradefortress off the list.

This +1.

This +2.  TF is not a scammer at all.

This +3.

Nobody is going to take anything you say seriously - because you are not serious. There's nothing wrong with scammer lists, but this particular implementation is hilariously sad. Especially with this:

BITMOFO :https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28926


Scam here: lost money gambling here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108832
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149130.0

Scammed Lost 1.0 BTC
https://blockchain.info/tx/f06d765710b3c916a9b7f57718b52fdc7e6135d421a9a521d72b45bb90a0b560
Should have returned it to: 1AkJsm52muHNadJ1hMM9j32E92aH2GHMYr

Does not return Emails or the money, several others have been scammed too.
If he had been added to the list after last time, then his scam would not have suceeded

Following his bitcoin chain he uses other accounts as players to send himself money and in some cases sends funds back to non-players, as if they were involved.

Thanks I will review it and post it.

I think this is my favorite so far:

This IS a good old boys club. This "contract" has ZERO force of law. Legally they could all just walk away with the forum donations. Just because you want to handle it in the community doesn't mean you should write a contract with no teeth and eliminate your OPTION for legal action. Also they get paid monthly fees, WTF is that? Plenty of people are willing to do it without charge. This looks to me like a jerking of the circular variety.

+1 really I think that theymos and the rest need to be added to the pending scammer list. I think I might put a poll about this and see how others feel.

[gweedo]

I think this is my favorite so far:

This IS a good old boys club. This "contract" has ZERO force of law. Legally they could all just walk away with the forum donations. Just because you want to handle it in the community doesn't mean you should write a contract with no teeth and eliminate your OPTION for legal action. Also they get paid monthly fees, WTF is that? Plenty of people are willing to do it without charge. This looks to me like a jerking of the circular variety.

+1 really I think that theymos and the rest need to be added to the pending scammer list. I think I might put a poll about this and see how others feel.

No that whole thread is full of win with him LMAO

[poly]

I am not in control of it. The community makes and verifies the claims.

Then take tradefortress off the list.

This +1.

This +2.  TF is not a scammer at all.

This +3.

Nobody is going to take anything you say seriously - because you are not serious. There's nothing wrong with scammer lists, but this particular implementation is hilariously sad. Especially with this:

BITMOFO :https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28926


Scam here: lost money gambling here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108832
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149130.0

Scammed Lost 1.0 BTC
https://blockchain.info/tx/f06d765710b3c916a9b7f57718b52fdc7e6135d421a9a521d72b45bb90a0b560
Should have returned it to: 1AkJsm52muHNadJ1hMM9j32E92aH2GHMYr

Does not return Emails or the money, several others have been scammed too.
If he had been added to the list after last time, then his scam would not have suceeded

Following his bitcoin chain he uses other accounts as players to send himself money and in some cases sends funds back to non-players, as if they were involved.

Thanks I will review it and post it.

I think this is my favorite so far:

This IS a good old boys club. This "contract" has ZERO force of law. Legally they could all just walk away with the forum donations. Just because you want to handle it in the community doesn't mean you should write a contract with no teeth and eliminate your OPTION for legal action. Also they get paid monthly fees, WTF is that? Plenty of people are willing to do it without charge. This looks to me like a jerking of the circular variety.

+1 really I think that theymos and the rest need to be added to the pending scammer list. I think I might put a poll about this and see how others feel.

Hehe, I don't know why anyone pays attention to this now.

You donated to the forum. Donate. You're not a shareholder, you're not getting your coins back.

[John (John K.)]

I'm starting to think OP would be Micon's best friend. This list is useless as the only valid entries are copied out from Tomatocage's list, and the additional entries are a piece of joke.

[sublime5447]

I am not a crook, and I see a bunch of crooks. If the forums did something about it I wouldn't have too
They are falling down on their duties to the community while passing out the funds to be used for the improvement of the forum among themselves

I am building a mining rig right now so i dont have a ton of time. I have to finish it tomorrow. When I get more time I will update the scammer list.







 

[KWH]

I'm starting to think OP would be Micon's best friend. This list is useless as the only valid entries are copied out from Tomatocage's list, and the additional entries are a piece of joke.

Best  post of this thread.

[MoneypakTrader.com]

The best way to get your case reviewed quickly... Post a poll with all relevant information and links, after 48 hours if the poll is 60 percent or more in favor of marking scam the person or institution in question will be added to the pending scammer list. If the scam is time based you can message me if I have time I will review it as quick as possible.

This a list of all known scammer pages on Bitcoin Forums this list also includes all known pending cases
If you are approached to a transaction check here first
If you know of a scam and can prove it post all information and it will be reviewed.

I can only imagine a few scenarios where people would be opposed to these goals:
Personal bias -
   As with TF case, many people are biased against me because of my ultra cheap MP's and/or otherwise biased for TF and willing to overlook the 27 BTC he conned from me. Personal attacks using off-topic material show the personal biases in this thread pretty clearly.
Pro-Scammer -
   Being against scammer detection and identification seems to qualify as pro-scammer.

Otherwise, can't see a legitimate reason to oppose the work being done here. There are scammers freely using the forums here to steal BTC and OP is trying to hold them accountable. People like to respond with personal attacks instead of weighing the facts of the case/thread in a fair manner.
Maybe people want the scammers to continue stealing from people here. . .

[Tomatocage]

sublime, you may want to revisit your list periodically as sometimes people who are listed there can make meaningful contributions, successful trades, or timely loan paybacks, thereby proving themselves.  That reminds me that I need to go through my lists again and do some spring cleaning

[John (John K.)]

The best way to get your case reviewed quickly... Post a poll with all relevant information and links, after 48 hours if the poll is 60 percent or more in favor of marking scam the person or institution in question will be added to the pending scammer list. If the scam is time based you can message me if I have time I will review it as quick as possible.

This a list of all known scammer pages on Bitcoin Forums this list also includes all known pending cases
If you are approached to a transaction check here first
If you know of a scam and can prove it post all information and it will be reviewed.

I can only imagine a few scenarios where people would be opposed to these goals:
Personal bias -
   As with TF case, many people are biased against me because of my ultra cheap MP's and/or otherwise biased for TF and willing to overlook the 27 BTC he conned from me. Personal attacks using off-topic material show the personal biases in this thread pretty clearly.
Pro-Scammer -
   Being against scammer detection and identification seems to qualify as pro-scammer.

Otherwise, can't see a legitimate reason to oppose the work being done here. There are scammers freely using the forums here to steal BTC and OP is trying to hold them accountable. People like to respond with personal attacks instead of weighing the facts of the case/thread in a fair manner.
Maybe people want the scammers to continue stealing from people here. . .

The work itself to identify and call out scammers is a noble one, and one that we dearly need here. I have been personally involved in the scammer tagging of most scamming users lately as theymos does not have the extra time to evaluate most requests, and I've found that job to be tedious and time-consuming.

There are two types of (potential) scammers present in this forum:

1) Clear-cut scammers who make new accounts solely for the purpose of scamming, and abandons them after being called out.  
 
2) Contractual scammers who violate a predefined contract set out.

In MPT and TF's case, it is clear that the case belongs to the 2) realm. However, to make it clear and unbiased, both parties have to be under scrutiny, which is not in this case where only TF's name is in the 'list'. There is no knowing of which party broke the contract before careful arbitration and analysis. Using anything like polls would be utterly ineffective and even beneficial to a potential scammer - anyone can create sockpuppets easily and vote using that. In fact, a simple analysis of the recent posters in the newbie subforum would show that fact easily. There's a cartload of old 1-post accounts being resurrected and spammed to meet the minimum amount of posts needed to elevate their permissions, just to get a stab at the Ripple giveaway.

That is why I assume this thread to be a piece of joke, at least for the moment where inefficient methods are used to evaluate the 'scammishness' of a person, and the similarity of the list to one that is stickied. I won't mention the obvious agendas that OP is trying to push here, of course.

Edit: Corrected erroneous mistakes and sentence endings.

[John (John K.)]

PS: Another example of 2) would be the recent Coinabul case. The line between 'scamming' and 'bad customer service/business ethics' is too fine, and it would be prudent to let the case unfold first before labelling them.

[MoneypakTrader.com]

I see your point and can understand not stickying it.
However, sublime is investigating the supposed type 2 cases which are otherwise excluded for scrutiny and this seems legitimate and commendable.
In my case, I disagree with you.
The agreement with TF had me pay the enitire cost of programming up front and leaves only recovery of what I've paid.
AFAIK there are no allegations of scam against me other than trying to recover my payment to TF.
I have no financial need to recover the 27 BTC TF scammed me for and I am willing to donate it to an acceptable charity.
This seems to all but remove any scam attempt by me (unless I'm really dedicated to funding some charity).
The reason I am pursuing TF is because I believe in a marketplace where people should be able to buy services without going through what I went through. TF is only going to continue representing himself as a competent programmer and WILL scam again for the fourth (or more) time using the same hook unless he is tagged. His actions in failing to start arbitration at judge.me as he said (and instead flaming me to judge.me) prove that he is not interested in resolving my complaint against him in a fair manner (when he refused even a partial refund, this became clear).

I am a highly trusted party in many circles who is constantly surprised by the degree of unscrupulous activity when money is involved. In this case, TF knew how expensive good programming skills are worth and represents himself as able to provide those services. This is blatant scamming of the type 1 variety IMHO that is masked as type 2 scamming.

side-note - are there any competent programmers who can be trusted with thousands of bitcoins? I have several projects I need to work on and

[sublime5447]

I think this is my favorite so far:

This IS a good old boys club. This "contract" has ZERO force of law. Legally they could all just walk away with the forum donations. Just because you want to handle it in the community doesn't mean you should write a contract with no teeth and eliminate your OPTION for legal action. Also they get paid monthly fees, WTF is that? Plenty of people are willing to do it without charge. This looks to me like a jerking of the circular variety.

+1 really I think that theymos and the rest need to be added to the pending scammer list. I think I might put a poll about this and see how others feel.

No that whole thread is full of win with him LMAO

This is my favorite "Win" from me QWEEDO=DICK. Qweedo sucks.

[sublime5447]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88315.00 unkn0wn12 (Scammer*)                                # REAL NAME ALEXSANDER SNIGUROWICZ

EDIT The real name of unkn0wn12 has been added. I guess he is kn0wn12 now. Thanks blazer

[sublime5447]

"In MPT and TF's case, it is clear that the case belongs to the 2) realm. However, to make it clear and unbiased, both parties have to be under scrutiny, which is not in this case where only TF's name is in the 'list'. "

The burden of proof lies with the person who is providing the goods or services. MPT has been on the scammer list in the past and has been removed, because he proved to be trust worthy.

TF is the one who has the ability to quickly and easily resolve this issue and has chosen to pretend that he is beyond reproach. 

[KWH]

"In MPT and TF's case, it is clear that the case belongs to the 2) realm. However, to make it clear and unbiased, both parties have to be under scrutiny, which is not in this case where only TF's name is in the 'list'. "

The burden of proof lies with the person who is providing the goods or services. MPT has been on the scammer list in the past and has been removed, because he proved to be trust worthy.

TF is the one who has the ability to quickly and easily resolve this issue and has chosen to pretend that he is beyond reproach. 

Burden of proof is on the accuser.

[sublime5447]

"In MPT and TF's case, it is clear that the case belongs to the 2) realm. However, to make it clear and unbiased, both parties have to be under scrutiny, which is not in this case where only TF's name is in the 'list'. "

The burden of proof lies with the person who is providing the goods or services. MPT has been on the scammer list in the past and has been removed, because he proved to be trust worthy.

TF is the one who has the ability to quickly and easily resolve this issue and has chosen to pretend that he is beyond reproach. 

Burden of proof is on the accuser.

You obviously have never owned a business or been involved in a legal dispute about services or undelivered/ unusable products.

[gweedo]

I think this is my favorite so far:

This IS a good old boys club. This "contract" has ZERO force of law. Legally they could all just walk away with the forum donations. Just because you want to handle it in the community doesn't mean you should write a contract with no teeth and eliminate your OPTION for legal action. Also they get paid monthly fees, WTF is that? Plenty of people are willing to do it without charge. This looks to me like a jerking of the circular variety.

+1 really I think that theymos and the rest need to be added to the pending scammer list. I think I might put a poll about this and see how others feel.

No that whole thread is full of win with him LMAO

This is my favorite "Win" from me QWEEDO=DICK. Qweedo sucks.

LMAO at least try to be a little more funny and original, you just call me a dick and say I suck over and over, just shows your intelligence is below the average. LMAO

[sublime5447]

I thought you would at least like the spelling. I am going to be posting Qweedo=Dick a lot more. I dont like you. You know because Qweedo=Dick

[QuantumQrack]

I would probably add Luceo here as well.  He has been running these "charities" for the past 9 months? or so.  I participated in a Christmas charity raffle, Christmas came and gone, still no raffle.  I messaged him that I would like my btc back, because it didn't look like it was going anywhere. In an irc conversation he said he would refund everybody's btc in the current raffle after about a month, "to see how it goes".  This was January 23rd.  A month later, I ask for my btc.  He was completely resistant to the idea at that point.  To me, this has scammer written all over it.

Now I have to ask myself, is the btc even going to its final intended recipients.  My vote is no, its probably not.  At this point I think its a scam unless Luceo and those whom he works with running these charities can provide:

Real names, real phone numbers, a clear trace from the actual charity recipients to Luceo himself.

As a person who runs a charity and takes advantage of people who like to give money to charity, I hold this type of person to an even higher standard of ethics and actions than a normal bitcoin user.

Quantum

[gweedo]

I thought you would at least like the spelling. I am going to be posting Qweedo=Dick a lot more. I dont like you. You know because Qweedo=Dick

Go right ahead LOL I need more people to know me. I don't care about the spelling I know you can't spell so it is really ok

[sublime5447]

I would probably add Luceo here as well.  He has been running these "charities" for the past 9 months? or so.  I participated in a Christmas charity raffle, Christmas came and gone, still no raffle.  I messaged him that I would like my btc back, because it didn't look like it was going anywhere. In an irc conversation he said he would refund everybody's btc in the current raffle after about a month, "to see how it goes".  This was January 23rd.  A month later, I ask for my btc.  He was completely resistant to the idea at that point.  To me, this has scammer written all over it.

Now I have to ask myself, is the btc even going to its final intended recipients.  My vote is no, its probably not.  At this point I think its a scam unless Luceo and those whom he works with running these charities can provide:

Real names, real phone numbers, a clear trace from the actual charity recipients to Luceo himself.

As a person who runs a charity and takes advantage of people who like to give money to charity, I hold this type of person to an even higher standard of ethics and actions than a normal bitcoin user.

Quantam

Please link to his bitcoin forums profile, and the post about the charity for review. I am only interested in members of this forum. I am banned from otc and consider everyone there to have a high probability of  being a scammer.
Thanks

[QuantumQrack]

I would probably add Luceo here as well.  He has been running these "charities" for the past 9 months? or so.  I participated in a Christmas charity raffle, Christmas came and gone, still no raffle.  I messaged him that I would like my btc back, because it didn't look like it was going anywhere. In an irc conversation he said he would refund everybody's btc in the current raffle after about a month, "to see how it goes".  This was January 23rd.  A month later, I ask for my btc.  He was completely resistant to the idea at that point.  To me, this has scammer written all over it.

Now I have to ask myself, is the btc even going to its final intended recipients.  My vote is no, its probably not.  At this point I think its a scam unless Luceo and those whom he works with running these charities can provide:

Real names, real phone numbers, a clear trace from the actual charity recipients to Luceo himself.

As a person who runs a charity and takes advantage of people who like to give money to charity, I hold this type of person to an even higher standard of ethics and actions than a normal bitcoin user.

Quantam

Please link to his bitcoin forums profile, and the post about the charity for review. I am only interested in members of this forum. I am banned from otc and consider everyone there to have a high probability of  being a scammer.
Thanks

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=59824

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126922.0

[JusticeForYou]

I would probably add Luceo here as well.  He has been running these "charities" for the past 9 months? or so.  I participated in a Christmas charity raffle, Christmas came and gone, still no raffle.  I messaged him that I would like my btc back, because it didn't look like it was going anywhere. In an irc conversation he said he would refund everybody's btc in the current raffle after about a month, "to see how it goes".  This was January 23rd.  A month later, I ask for my btc.  He was completely resistant to the idea at that point.  To me, this has scammer written all over it.

Now I have to ask myself, is the btc even going to its final intended recipients.  My vote is no, its probably not.  At this point I think its a scam unless Luceo and those whom he works with running these charities can provide:

Real names, real phone numbers, a clear trace from the actual charity recipients to Luceo himself.

As a person who runs a charity and takes advantage of people who like to give money to charity, I hold this type of person to an even higher standard of ethics and actions than a normal bitcoin user.

Quantam

Please link to his bitcoin forums profile, and the post about the charity for review. I am only interested in members of this forum. I am banned from otc and consider everyone there to have a high probability of  being a scammer.
Thanks

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=59824

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126922.0

[FULL STOP]

There are scammers and then there are SCAMMERS. Taking advantage of people for personal gain is hard to stop, if ever. People will hunt down people for 1 BTC over a reversed PP txn.

BUT

Using a Charity Drive as a scam is the lowest of the lowest you can get. This type of Scam requires a 'Special' tag that would put them below the Scammer Tag.

PS.  I will sue you even at a loss to myself. (i.e. I don't care if I win or lose just as long as you go broke defending yourself.)

[sublime5447]

okay so what I am hearing is this guy is a particularly large piece of shit. I am at the doctor with my wife when I get home i will post it to the list. 

[KWH]

"In MPT and TF's case, it is clear that the case belongs to the 2) realm. However, to make it clear and unbiased, both parties have to be under scrutiny, which is not in this case where only TF's name is in the 'list'. "

The burden of proof lies with the person who is providing the goods or services. MPT has been on the scammer list in the past and has been removed, because he proved to be trust worthy.

TF is the one who has the ability to quickly and easily resolve this issue and has chosen to pretend that he is beyond reproach.  

Burden of proof is on the accuser.

You obviously have never owned a business or been involved in a legal dispute about services or undelivered/ unusable products.

How old are you, 16? I have had several cases in small claims court accusing someone of breaking an agreement, both verbal and written. In each case I had to prove the agreement was broken and that I was damaged in some way. The judge told us both I had to prove my claims. Simply Google: "burden of proof in small claims court".
We aren't talking Paypal law where you can falsely file a charge back and get away with it. That was the point to an arbitrator, listen to both sides evidence and make a decision, not a list or poll.
You need to step off your "master's" list as you have clearly proven you have no clue what you are doing. It is also becoming clear you have some sort of agenda here, you are not interested in fairness or justice, only "Polls and Lists".

[QuantumQrack]

"In MPT and TF's case, it is clear that the case belongs to the 2) realm. However, to make it clear and unbiased, both parties have to be under scrutiny, which is not in this case where only TF's name is in the 'list'. "

The burden of proof lies with the person who is providing the goods or services. MPT has been on the scammer list in the past and has been removed, because he proved to be trust worthy.

TF is the one who has the ability to quickly and easily resolve this issue and has chosen to pretend that he is beyond reproach. 

Burden of proof is on the accuser.

You obviously have never owned a business or been involved in a legal dispute about services or undelivered/ unusable products.

How old are you, 16? I have had several cases in small claims court accusing someone of breaking an agreement, both verbal and written. In each case I had to prove the agreement was broken and that I was damaged in some way. The judge told us both I had to prove my claims. Simply Google: "burden of proof in small claims court".
We aren't talking Paypal law where you can falsely file a charge back and get away with it. That was the point to an arbitrator, listen to both sides evidence and make a decision, not a list or poll.
You need to step off your "master's" list as you have clearly proven you have no clue what you are doing. It is also becoming clear you have some sort of agenda here, you are not interested in fairness or justice, only "Polls and Lists".

KWH, what is wrong with the bitcoin community trying to be vigilant against scams?  That is what this thread is.  I would venture to say that people who have a personal axe to grind against a particular bitcoin community member are in the minority.  I would rather say that people who make these types of posts or lists have probably been scammed, or what they perceive to be scammed in some way, plus, they are interested in policing the bitcoin community to prevent a lot of unneeded stress and loss.  It is better to err on the side of caution since we are dealing with what most bitcoin members would consider money; bitcoin.  The irreversible nature of btc payments makes the community rather susceptible to scams and it is in our best interest to police it ourselves.

[KWH]

"In MPT and TF's case, it is clear that the case belongs to the 2) realm. However, to make it clear and unbiased, both parties have to be under scrutiny, which is not in this case where only TF's name is in the 'list'. "

The burden of proof lies with the person who is providing the goods or services. MPT has been on the scammer list in the past and has been removed, because he proved to be trust worthy.

TF is the one who has the ability to quickly and easily resolve this issue and has chosen to pretend that he is beyond reproach.  

Burden of proof is on the accuser.

You obviously have never owned a business or been involved in a legal dispute about services or undelivered/ unusable products.

How old are you, 16? I have had several cases in small claims court accusing someone of breaking an agreement, both verbal and written. In each case I had to prove the agreement was broken and that I was damaged in some way. The judge told us both I had to prove my claims. Simply Google: "burden of proof in small claims court".
We aren't talking Paypal law where you can falsely file a charge back and get away with it. That was the point to an arbitrator, listen to both sides evidence and make a decision, not a list or poll.
You need to step off your "master's" list as you have clearly proven you have no clue what you are doing. It is also becoming clear you have some sort of agenda here, you are not interested in fairness or justice, only "Polls and Lists".

KWH, what is wrong with the bitcoin community trying to be vigilant against scams?  That is what this thread is.  I would venture to say that people who have a personal axe to grind against a particular bitcoin community member are in the minority.  I would rather say that people who make these types of posts or lists have probably been scammed, or what they perceive to be scammed in some way, plus, they are interested in policing the bitcoin community to prevent a lot of unneeded stress and loss.  It is better to err on the side of caution since we are dealing with what most bitcoin members would consider money; bitcoin.  The irreversible nature of btc payments makes the community rather susceptible to scams and it is in our best interest to police it ourselves.

I have no issues with a list as long as the one posting said list appears impartial and it's there to warn the community.  sublime5447  is not impartial. Have you not read through the whole thread? Please do so if you have not. Tomatocage's list is fine with me as he appears impartial without some agenda.
I have no idea what TF plans to do, that's up to him but as it stands now it's not been proven he is a scammer. This is a business deal gone south, he said/he said, this is why an arbitrator was suggested. Using this "master's list" to try to strong arm someone is absurd at best. Ask yourself, why do we need another list that mirrors an already in place list?

[gweedo]

"In MPT and TF's case, it is clear that the case belongs to the 2) realm. However, to make it clear and unbiased, both parties have to be under scrutiny, which is not in this case where only TF's name is in the 'list'. "

The burden of proof lies with the person who is providing the goods or services. MPT has been on the scammer list in the past and has been removed, because he proved to be trust worthy.

TF is the one who has the ability to quickly and easily resolve this issue and has chosen to pretend that he is beyond reproach. 

Burden of proof is on the accuser.

You obviously have never owned a business or been involved in a legal dispute about services or undelivered/ unusable products.

How old are you, 16? I have had several cases in small claims court accusing someone of breaking an agreement, both verbal and written. In each case I had to prove the agreement was broken and that I was damaged in some way. The judge told us both I had to prove my claims. Simply Google: "burden of proof in small claims court".
We aren't talking Paypal law where you can falsely file a charge back and get away with it. That was the point to an arbitrator, listen to both sides evidence and make a decision, not a list or poll.
You need to step off your "master's" list as you have clearly proven you have no clue what you are doing. It is also becoming clear you have some sort of agenda here, you are not interested in fairness or justice, only "Polls and Lists".

KWH, what is wrong with the bitcoin community trying to be vigilant against scams?  That is what this thread is.  I would venture to say that people who have a personal axe to grind against a particular bitcoin community member are in the minority.  I would rather say that people who make these types of posts or lists have probably been scammed, or what they perceive to be scammed in some way, plus, they are interested in policing the bitcoin community to prevent a lot of unneeded stress and loss.  It is better to err on the side of caution since we are dealing with what most bitcoin members would consider money; bitcoin.  The irreversible nature of btc payments makes the community rather susceptible to scams and it is in our best interest to police it ourselves.

If your believing a guy with a dark yellow ignore button, you sir need to review the much better scam list that are by trustworthy members not some guy that tried to get 500BTCs from the forum funds, and then just became a whine kid, when everyone told him he couldn't.

[Tomatocage]

If your believing a guy with a dark yellow ignore button, you sir need to review the much better scam list that are by trustworthy members not some guy that tried to get 500BTCs from the forum funds, and then just became a whine kid, when everyone told him he couldn't.

Link/Cliffs on this?

[gweedo]

If your believing a guy with a dark yellow ignore button, you sir need to review the much better scam list that are by trustworthy members not some guy that tried to get 500BTCs from the forum funds, and then just became a whine kid, when everyone told him he couldn't.

Link/Cliffs on this?

Sure I will hold 500 btc in storage with out a full reserve requirement. I think you need 100% reserve but can be held in any accepted currencies in predetermined ratios. 

There

[Tomatocage]

There

Interesting. I can't imagine why somebody would want the burden of being responsible for that much coin.

[gweedo]

There

Interesting. I can't imagine why somebody would want the burden of being responsible for that much coin.

I agree, too much stress. I am stressed with my current ventures, I don't need some forum members attacking me all day cause I am holding forum funds. Just no win, win situation here.

[steamboat]

There

Interesting. I can't imagine why somebody would want the burden of being responsible for that much coin.

I can imagine a few. Seriously though, you really should take the time to read through his posts in that thread. If not for the lulz, do it for some particularly ridiculous insight into how his brain "functions". That sublime is in any way, shape, or form a "leader" on this forum is disheartening to say the least.

If only sheeple took responsibility for their actions and did their due diligence we wouldn't have cheap knockoffs like sublime tainting forums with FUD.

[sublime5447]

I have been unable to reply to this bullshit slandering of my character. I have been banned for the last 7 days. I don't know why I was banned I guess I stepped on someones toes.
This is a list of all the comments from the holding the forums money thread.

 

Sure I will hold 500 btc in storage with out a full reserve requirement. I think you need 100% reserve but can be held in any accepted currencies in predetermined ratios. 

   
This is sarcasm I guess I should have indicated that. I only had like 10 post when this was written so it was more obvious at the time.

What if one of the members die? the funds are just lost?

Wrong buddy I gave all of my information up, you just though I was a Liar you were wrong. Everything I said was and is true. I told the investigation guy that I would have paid him to tell the community that i was legit, just so i didnt have to go through all of the games you guys play.

Now this is real busllshit. I cant find my post I believe that it was edit out, but cab find where people quoted what I said.

I think I might have a good suggestion on what to do with the forums funds. Why not set up a program where there is a communal pool of coins that members can borrow coins from with limits of course. Say you take the funds and do micro loans with a small interest rate available to all members of the community in good standing. Then have the limits raised for members with good credit. I say allow people to borrow the amount that they have contributed to the fund ,but let everyone in at a certain level. For example if you borrowed 10 and paid back 11 (or the equivalent in usd) then your limit would be raised to 11. The forums money can work for everyone. Before you trash my suggestion or say it is not possible ask yourself how it would be possible. Suggestions are welcome

No one like this? You are all talking about how much fees you will take ( this is donated right?) This would be the most decentralized solution and the fund would grow not shrink. If you are worried about trust this is the best way to hedge against lost and theft. With no risk. If you only lend what has been paid in if someone walks they can only take what they put in.

It's a really stupid idea, sublime.  Why would theymos want to loan out the forum's money to random people on the web?  I don't think donators would want that to be done with their money.

Another instance where I was edited out of the feed huh... I wonder why?

Really, I am the one looking scammy. I dont want the coins, others have been drooling over the idea. I dont care. Why wouldnt he want to lend the coins out to the people who donated the coin in the first place. Why wouldnt he want to make money off the fund not lose it to you crooks. Trying to charge fees to hold the peoples donated money and i am the crook.

You're probably the guy who posted the more in that thread and you really, really don't fit the profile theymos is looking for. What are you looking to gain here?

Nothing I am not in this for me. I just want the money used properly not given to people who happen to have coins under their name. The money should be used for the improvement of the community. I was thinking of donating, but not if that is where it is going to friends the forum host. If I donate it is to grow the community not to line the pockets of an insiders club.  

Let the people who donated the coins hold their excess donations, you have a list of the transactions just send them back the coins when you need them ask for them. Nice and f@#$ simple no need to scam on it, no need to pay fees, no need for complicated key systems, no risk of theft,no trust issues, no people begging to hold the coins.  My suggestion is the only one that makes sense.   I will not donate to the fund if these funds are given to insiders.     

I'm still writing the contract. I don't have a lot of time to work on it.

Give the excess coins back to the people who donated them. Have them pledge the coins for forum use when needed. I am very interested to see what happens with this issue it will determine how much (if any) that I donate to the forum. 

Put their real names up if they are going to hold communal funds. From where I sit this agreement is shit.  I will give my donations to the forum some other way. Somewhere I know where they are going.

Let me ask this. BCB just got 2,000 dollars stole from him. What if it was 20,000? what would prevent him from taking the donations to cover his losses?

This is a good ol boys club, A bunch of insiders looking after themselves with donated money. Let me ask how people would react if the salvation army.
Started holding all the funds in the personal accounts of the board members?

This all looks like a scam in the making to me. 

Here's the first draft of the treasurer contract that I came up with. I'm trying to make a contract without using laws. Therefore, "The Forum" can't exist as a corporate entity and its existence needs to be defined in the contract. We'll see if this sort of structure ends up working well. If it does, maybe other Bitcoin organizations can use it as a model.

What defects does this agreement have?

This includes a list of "community council" members, but note that I didn't actually ask these people if they want to be members yet. I'll do that before this contract is actually used.

Are community council members treasurers?

The agreement is without law? Without law or force? So if a treasurer takes the money... we will ask them nicely to do the right thing?

If this is where you are going with the agreement, just send it out as you wish. If there are no legal responsibilities on either side, why an "agreement" Just tell them what rules they can abide by if they wish, and if they don't want to it's cool.

Sounds a little silly to me.

+1000 

"Salvation Army is a charity. The money they receive is not their profits, and is not theirs to keep. This forum is a privately owned business of sorts. Whatever donations the owners of the forum get are their to keep and do whatever they want with, "gool ol boys" or not. You are also free to whine and not participate, or to join that club yourself."

Then dont call them donations call them dues or fees.

Make it decentralized give every hero member a share, give it back to the people who donated it, set up a loan service and give it all out. Just a few idea to socialize the risk.

If you change it to fees or dues I will shut my mouth. 

If these truly are donations then they are for the improvement of this community. If they are fees, dues, or revenue that it is your money spend it on what ever you like, just dont do around calling fees donations.   

I bet this is what got me banned.

This IS a good old boys club. This "contract" has ZERO force of law. Legally they could all just walk away with the forum donations. Just because you want to handle it in the community doesn't mean you should write a contract with no teeth and eliminate your OPTION for legal action. Also they get paid monthly fees, WTF is that? Plenty of people are willing to do it without charge. This looks to me like a jerking of the circular variety.

+1 really I think that theymos and the rest need to be added to the pending scammer list. I think I might put a poll about this and see how others feel.

they are on drugs xtc is my guess. I understand what you are saying, but at the same time looks like a scam to me. Giving donated money to your friends is sketch

This is in responce to steamboat spreading FUD

way to take me out of context what kind of bullshit is that? 

I have never offered to hold the forums money. I dont want it and anyone that does is suspect.

There is a couple more but you get the idea. I dont want the forums money and think that the hero members are acting like scammers.

[icicle]

Intersango again. I still don't know for certain that they are scammers, but I'm leaning towards it. They won't come straight out and admit they stole my bitcoins, but they won't let me access them either. And I have asked.

Plenty of people say they are great guys and they bought some bitcoins and everything was fine - but did anyone who bought when they were Britcoin, leave their coins there and try to access their account after they changed names to Intersango (without so much as an email notification I might add)? If there was anyone else dumb enough to do that besides me, do they still think Intersango are fine fellows?

Links to email correspondence and tech support screenshots.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159071.0

So. I think they are scamming at least some of their customers here and there, but I would appreciate everyone else's opinion.

[icicle]

Hi!

How do I post a poll? I think Intersango are probably scamming. Whether it is accident, incompetence or deliberate intention I don't have my bitcoins and someone else does.

[shantee]

Hi

I just want to report the website bitswing.com
No reply after order , no bitcoin received..Yes i ordered on it , i know it's stupid, but they looked legit  and they use paypal (so i should get my money back)

[Tomatocage]

Hi

I just want to report the website bitswing.com
No reply after order , no bitcoin received..Yes i ordered on it , i know it's stupid, but they looked legit  and they use paypal (so i should get my money back)

Geez man.

[r00tbg]

I want to report user ChinaPumps who stole from me 0.66 BTC. Here I describe the case:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=335721.msg3603947#msg3603947

In the topic above already have confirmation from another user that this rogue preparing even greater fraud.

This is his profile:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=161375

Please give it a negative rating to cast him out forum.

[DiamondCardz]

Holy gravedig Batman.

[Wit22]

I'm reporting user "lencom"

The other day, I sent user "lencom" 0.3 BTC upfront as part of a deal we agreed upon (his mastercoins for my BTC).
He claimed to have sent me mastercoins that never arrived (so I didn't send him anymore BTC).
He claimed ignorance and then logged off in the middle of our deal.

He's online today. I messaged him and asked him to return my 0.3 BTC. He seems to be ignoring me now.
I have yet to receive my BTC or the promised delivery of MSC.

No one should trade with lencom until he pays me what he owes me.
lencom is probably a scammer.

[bitcoinlord]

Is there a way to compile the latest scammers list?

I notice that many scammers are not included in the list.