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341  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: July 02, 2016, 03:46:17 PM
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Oh shit.. now is Investors fault Huh   Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

I'm really sorry if I posted my concerns here.. Sorry Waves Team.
I will stop ask any kind of clarification and I'll let Sasha taking his time to properly reply to all our concerns.
I shouldn't even think to bother you, only because I gave you my BTCs -together with all the other ICO Investors- to fund your project (without Waves Project would never been existed) and you are randomly spending these BTCs for who know what. These are your BTCs now. You can buy whatever you want.
Sorry again.

I'll come back in about 2-3 years to read your answers.
Hopefully that will give you enough time.

sasha said they are goint to sell 5k btc now, which is smart considering the price of BTC. they have specified that 1k btc was used for buy walls. do you want them so send you detailed reports of the progress every 5 minutes, maybe you can even help out around the coding? wtf do you want from devs? meal receipts? detailed invoices? -.- plus, they said they will make all the info about the funds public, why dont you chill for a few days/weeks instead of crying about it on a forum? what if you lose money, it's not the end of the world... you want to double your money without any consideration for the project you're funding go learn how to play online poker or smth kid.


YOU HAVE TO DECLARE YOUR INTENTION BEFORE YOU WITHDRAW AND SPEND ICO MONEY !!!!
NOT  AFTER YOU GET COUGHT !!!
THAT'S HOW A PROPER DEV TEAM DOES.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ?!?!?!??! IS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND IT ?


i didn't quite get that... maybe with bigger letters?
342  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: July 02, 2016, 03:27:14 PM
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Oh shit.. now is Investors fault Huh   Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

I'm really sorry if I posted my concerns here.. Sorry Waves Team.
I will stop ask any kind of clarification and I'll let Sasha taking his time to properly reply to all our concerns.
I shouldn't even think to bother you, only because I gave you my BTCs -together with all the other ICO Investors- to fund your project (without Waves Project would never been existed) and you are randomly spending these BTCs for who know what. These are your BTCs now. You can buy whatever you want.
Sorry again.

I'll come back in about 2-3 years to read your answers.
Hopefully that will give you enough time.

sasha said they are goint to sell 5k btc now, which is smart considering the price of BTC. they have specified that 1k btc was used for buy walls. do you want them so send you detailed reports of the progress every 5 minutes, maybe you can even help out around the coding? wtf do you want from devs? meal receipts? detailed invoices? -.- plus, they said they will make all the info about the funds public, why dont you chill for a few days/weeks instead of crying about it on a forum? what if you lose money, it's not the end of the world... you want to double your money without any consideration for the project you're funding go learn how to play online poker or smth kid.
343  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: July 02, 2016, 03:23:32 PM
not true. waves will be (if according to planned) the first KYC and AML crypto platform. also the only one allowing fiat token creation (not talking about coloured coins) and asset to asset exchange, which NXT will also allow with ardor.

Hm. But cryptocurrencies are close to be banned in Russia. So it is a bit strange when somebody promises kyc, aml and fiat integration from moscow. I know there are many great programmers and cryptoenthusiasts there. But their gov is very backward. Do they plan to move into some other (more crypto friendly) country?

they're providing a service that can be used world wide. i dont see how the dev's location is relevant lol
344  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it legal to earn and hold bitcoin ? on: July 02, 2016, 03:03:49 PM
Government in my country has no rules for regulating bitcoins yet. Until and unless you convert bitcoins into fiat, nobody cares what you are doing with them. Though use of bitcoin is criticized by it.
the same for me, i dont worry too much about bitcoins in my country because i know that i will not have any trouble with laws, thats really great as there are no risks at all

it is legal to earn and then hold your bitcoins in nearly every country, if country doesnt have any laws on bitcoin then i would definitely not worry about it in my opinion as everything is going to be fine

yep, same here! yay portugal, no legal framework. ppl in the USA have to pay taxes on it, right?
345  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Melhor investimento em BTC hoje em dia on: July 02, 2016, 03:01:42 PM
lending no poloniex é seguro. eles foram hackados em 2014 e devolveram 100% dos fundos

Bom, todo extrato de fundo de investimentos vem com as letrinhas miudas em baixo: "Rendimentos passados não são garantia de lucro futuro". A mesma cosia vale pra exchanges hackeadas: honestidade no passado não é garantia de honestidade no futuro Wink É um indicador de que o risco é menor que a média, mas não uma garantia!

O contra exemplo é a cryptsy, que havia sido hackeada no passado e devolvido os fundos. Mas quando foi hackeada novamente, escondeu de todos e depois fechou as portas!

Eles começaram mesmo a desviar fundos. mas sim é verdade, mas acaba smp por ser 1 "segurança" claro que nao ha nada 100% seguro. tb ha as contas de interest na pool BW dão lucro de 0.02% diariamente. nao é nada mau.
346  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: July 02, 2016, 02:53:56 PM
  Waves Has loads of money to develop this technology. It is trading at a significant discount to BTC reserves. So I will hang on for the ride.

There shouldn't even be any need for anymore fud since everyone is aware we are below ico  prices, ,with the amount of money the team has to spend though this project should be one with a great amount of potential and definitely one to keep an eye o.   

no, we need fud to keep the butthurt people that sold happy. and of course the ones that didnt invest can come here and say "i told you so". so sad to see this depressed souls need to be right or get attention at all times. they also said eth was a scam, and now they're hiding under their little rocks Smiley
347  Local / Portugal / Re: Recomendações para Cloud Mining? on: July 02, 2016, 02:51:24 PM
Na boa, não "invista" em cloud mining! Pra começar q nem é um investimento, maioria dos casos se provou ponzi e os q ainda não provaram ser ponzi é pq ainda tem troxasinvestidores entrando no esquema.
Se minerar valesse tanto a pena, eles minerariam pra eles mesmos em vez de só pegar parte do lucro da mineração.

minar vale a pena, como é obvio. esta é a prespectiva de quem nao entende cloud mining:

Eles recolhem capital que não têm para poder comprar equipamento e pagar despesas. se nao recolherem o capital dos investidores ou trouxas xD não teriam como minar... porque uma pessoa que tenha capital agarra e aluga 1 armazem e mete la GPU's ou ASICs aos milhares sem fazer cloud mining Smiley

O problema é que você não tem garantia de que vão comprar o equipamento com o capital, e até hoje os poucos que comprovadamente fizeram isso, fecharam as portas rapidamente por não dar lucro! a grande maioria simplesmente pega o capital e usa como esquema "ponzi".

sim, cabe ao utilizador investir em sites de cloudmining decentes como o genesis. e nao em ponzis como o topmine.

cloud mining =/= ponzi
ponti = ponzi

simple Smiley se vão investir em ponzis nao podem culpar o negocio do cloudmining em geral. isso seria o mesmo que dizer que todas as exchanges sao scam pq a cryptsy fugiu com o dinheiro das pessoas.
348  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: July 02, 2016, 02:12:21 PM

Good Morning.

It is amazing how much FUD-text poor people can write. Why don´t you guys write on steemit instead where you get paid for it? lmao

So the price went down, big deal - just buy them cheaper and hodl for the longest time.


Hold them long time? Why would anybody hold this longterm?  Do you think recent developer's actions inspire confidence?

Ethereum took 1 year to release full node code.  Waves could have done the same thing, and delayed Waves withdrawals until full node code was released.

Then everyone would be complaining about the delay.

Nothing is original in Waves. How can you compare this to ethereum?? This is what the devs always admitted. Maybe LPos is newbut it is only a planned feature.

Personally I would not be worried about a later release. It would be actually much better for any serious ICO investor.

not true. waves will be (if according to planned) the first KYC and AML crypto platform. also the only one allowing fiat token creation (not talking about coloured coins) and asset to asset exchange, which NXT will also allow with ardor.
349  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: July 02, 2016, 01:57:34 PM

Good Morning.

It is amazing how much FUD-text poor people can write. Why don´t you guys write on steemit instead where you get paid for it? lmao

So the price went down, big deal - just buy them cheaper and hodl for the longest time.


Hold them long time? Why would anybody hold this longterm?  Do you think recent developer's actions inspire confidence?

yep, i would be worried if devs were wasting time answering fud. instead they're working Smiley
350  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it legal to earn and hold bitcoin ? on: July 02, 2016, 12:51:40 PM
It's illegal. so, lets say if they can trace a BTC account to you it would be problematic. but the only way to do that is if you have transactions sent from an exchange or another service in your name. so if you just have a normal BTC wallet on your PC there's no way they will know...maybe through the IP, but keeping track of that would make them crazy.
351  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: July 02, 2016, 12:43:17 PM
If someone contributed 100 btc it now offers him the same incentive as someone who only buys in and receives the same amount for almost half of that principal amount while at the same time this person reaps double the benefits while contributing nothing while the original contributor is rewarded by having his units cut through negative equity by the depreciation of market value.Is this fair.Is this project fair to those who contributed?Yes or no?
I think it is too much fair , however it was pretty easy to spot that at the beginning when the 2k+ btc came in loll...i think the ending 15k btc were 95% fake.

I agree.
And that's what we called Robbing people.
This is basically what Sasha did to initial Investors.
Building up a fake ICO final amount to decrease the investors Quotes,  giving them much less..  That means earning more and spending less.
2 ways bargain for them.
But unfortunately is illegal.


proof?

Of course no proof yet.
Is only at the speculation stage.
But few people seem to agree with that.
A way to prove it will be find for sure,  anyway.


the way you talk about seems like it's a known fact. was it on mythbusters? Tongue
352  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Melhor investimento em BTC hoje em dia on: July 02, 2016, 12:39:39 PM
lending no poloniex é seguro. eles foram hackados em 2014 e devolveram 100% dos fundos
353  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: July 02, 2016, 12:38:17 PM
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WAVES devs promised the features at launch and they just didn't deliver - period.
They should not get a single satoshi from the ICO funds until delivering what was promised.
Are you being paid for promises? Yes/No?


devs promised launch when it launched. they did not promise the full features to be available on the launch.

all Ethereum software is still considered beta, should they give btc back?
354  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: July 02, 2016, 12:28:00 PM
If someone contributed 100 btc it now offers him the same incentive as someone who only buys in and receives the same amount for almost half of that principal amount while at the same time this person reaps double the benefits while contributing nothing while the original contributor is rewarded by having his units cut through negative equity by the depreciation of market value.Is this fair.Is this project fair to those who contributed?Yes or no?
I think it is too much fair , however it was pretty easy to spot that at the beginning when the 2k+ btc came in loll...i think the ending 15k btc were 95% fake.

I agree.
And that's what we called Robbing people.
This is basically what Sasha did to initial Investors.
Building up a fake ICO final amount to decrease the investors Quotes,  giving them much less..  That means earning more and spending less.
2 ways bargain for them.
But unfortunately is illegal.


proof?
355  Local / Portugal / Re: Recomendações para Cloud Mining? on: July 02, 2016, 12:21:17 PM
Na boa, não "invista" em cloud mining! Pra começar q nem é um investimento, maioria dos casos se provou ponzi e os q ainda não provaram ser ponzi é pq ainda tem troxasinvestidores entrando no esquema.
Se minerar valesse tanto a pena, eles minerariam pra eles mesmos em vez de só pegar parte do lucro da mineração.

minar vale a pena, como é obvio. esta é a prespectiva de quem nao entende cloud mining:

Eles recolhem capital que não têm para poder comprar equipamento e pagar despesas. se nao recolherem o capital dos investidores ou trouxas xD não teriam como minar... porque uma pessoa que tenha capital agarra e aluga 1 armazem e mete la GPU's ou ASICs aos milhares sem fazer cloud mining Smiley
356  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: July 02, 2016, 12:17:39 PM
and yeah, I invested in Waves. and my 2 btc are now 1. should I email sasha asking for my money back? can I split my waves tokens, maybe use a recursive call hack? -.- do you also blame satoshi when the btc price drops from 1000usd to 100?
357  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WAVES : Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: July 02, 2016, 12:12:21 PM
good job creating the unofficial thread Wink sucks that they closed the old one, but too much fud and dumb people crying over the price...

Why shouldn't they be unhappy that they were screwed by sasha et al while those who did not contribute have the benefits?This is not "fud" only facts.The whole truth and not only selective truths to suit either narrative.If there was something positive to be said it would but it has not been earned to date.The aloof nature of the developer does not help the situation either but many are delusional and while others suffer helsinki syndrome.

So you're mad because you invested in something and didn't double your money? welcome to the real world. you think the devs can control the markets? you want them to spend all the funds on buy walls? they just need to develop their product and that's it. so far they haven't done anything wrong, imo. there may have been a few delays, but so did ethereum for example.

amazing butthurtness, blaming the devs for the price.
358  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: [ANN] Autodoge.com - The highest paying Dogecoin faucet. NO MINIMUM PAYOUTS. on: July 02, 2016, 12:03:33 PM
Faucet is good as other Sole scripts. Perhaps the payment should be made every hour, because the amount is too small and too much transactions for wallet in such a short time.

thank you for you suggestion! We will consider making this change.

suggestions are welcome guys! This is a faucet made "by the people for the people", so feel free to suggest changes or new features, etc!  Cheesy
359  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: [ANN] Autodoge.com - The highest paying Dogecoin faucet. NO MINIMUM PAYOUTS. on: July 02, 2016, 12:01:18 PM
hello i got problems with the captcha

what's the problem? Smiley you have to drag the captcha bar until the puzzle piece matches the rest of the image like in the gif on the O.P
360  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: [ANN] Autodoge.com - The highest paying Dogecoin faucet. NO MINIMUM PAYOUTS. on: July 02, 2016, 11:07:28 AM
how much minimum reward one input in there ,
iam sory quota internet limit so can't visit web

just checked, the minimum per click is 0.5 and the max is 6k. let us know your experience, if you get around to trying it out Cheesy
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