posted that awhile back
https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/nakamoto-family-foundation-book-gets-stylometry-test/
the 21Teeth could refer to the book that came out with 21pages also using a cryptogram  so maybe the values given to each letter used to decipher the book title (in the link)
could be used to crack this.

NatashaOtomoski=Satoshi Nakamoto
both mentioning 21
and both using a cryptogram

are those 3 cigarette burns? did you fall asleep while making it? or intentionally?

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I still can't see the "email" but assuming everything was their exact response



""with identical playing stats""
this is possible esp since they're basing it off only 3000 hands


""""we have no choice but to ban the accounts regardless of what may or may not be the case. We have very strict rules on this to preserve integrity. This is not the first or last time we will see such cases. Our reaction will always be the same. This will be our last response on this query."""

This is them admitting they may or may not have made the correct decision, and refusing to investigate it further with 16000$ on the line.
This is probably the only thing that matters

But this is still just me making assumptions, i can't verify they sent it or that if they did send it, it's exactly how they put it.

Aside from that, i see chazley made a post saying they're shady.
someone i respect and have a history with, pretty sure hes trusted by alot of people here too so that helps.

If you truly want to expose this site here's the proof i think you will need to provide.
1:A clear image of the email with the sender.

2:If you used a hud or have your hand history files those would help. they're accusing you of  similar play styles which isn't how reviewing for collusion works
You said a majority of those hands weren't played at the same tables, and collusion depends on if you played against each other or with "making folds/raises" that players wouldn't normally make otherwise.
It would help to see how many of those 3,000hands where played together, and a copy of both of your histories for those hands played together "so we could see both of your hole cards"

3: like the post on the other thread said "letters from ISP that confirms your story about the IP sharing" or activity logs to confirm that those ips where even showing the same or not and if the patterns matchup.
isp confirmation would be better then having the activity log, but if you're unable to get their cooperation i think there's a few different ways to get the activity log that could help you out.

4: leave this thread and create a scam accusation thread so the proof you provide won't be scattered in the 17pages here, and so others can share their proof that will further support your claims.

You're right i am making assumptions. The video was unreadable even at 1080p "atleast for me" so the only thing both of you have provided that i can go on is you claiming you didn't use the same ip
And if that's true it's a fact, if they where randomly banning to steal funds it wouldn't be just you 2 here
And since you both admit to being "friends" it's not a coincidence. there's only one other way they found 2 people connected and that's by being reported and investigated.
You say that they didn't review your hand history, but the video looked like it was basing everything off of a conversation with support, and ive never seen any support reveal their investigation method only the conclusion which i can only assume is what you got from that conversation "so i don't know how you're claiming your history wasn't reviewed" because i doubt they would tell you if they did or didn't.



And it does make you look more guilty because like i said above if you where using the same ip, there would be room for confusion/mistakes
I never decided you where guilty or even said you where, i said you most likely are.

this is a forum not a courtroom, honestly this is worse then your comparison of this site with pokerstars.

i have seen countless post where cheaters got caught and cried because there funds was frozen, i haven't seen any where viable proof was actually provided.

Not me or any other forum user here has the facts to say for certain you where cheating, theres too much missing.

your story relies on alot of coincidences being true and that's why "i may look like a rep" because i'm not going to side with someone whos """likely""" a cheater scamming other players while harming this sites rep.
"btw i haven't even played here before" that's why i was browsing this thread, to decide.  My current opinion is unbiased and if you post any viable proof that proves you're innocent then ill be behind you.

because pokerstars has a networth of 4.8billion you can't really compare their security with this sites
wpn is shady to begin with and i doubt they care as long as youre generating rake and not abusing promos, if that's not good enough wpn has wrongly accuses players, so has almost every other gambling based business.
these security systems aren't perfect, but imo i feel better about the site knowing they take security seriously.

You also don't need to be using the same ip for collusion, ((like you said you wasn't))
And they didn't randomly ban just you 2, that happen to know each other, you most likely got reported by players (not that hard to spot) and they reviewed your hand history.
Your post only makes you look more guilty with these claims
You most likely was cheating and now you're both complaining because your funds was frozen.

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LOL 30mil tokens plus 2.5m cash that was suppose to be for marketing , and it's up to the "investors" to spread the word in forums and to spam the competitors chat.


""if the amount of individuals that have bkt did that i'm sure we would see a big increase in traffic""


Shame on these investor, giving you funding for marketing and not volunteering to do all the marketing after. This is clearly the only logical reason why betking isn't bigger then bitsler by now

exactly what i said before.

he closed the old site returning 6k+btc, if he got only 10% of the sites earnings that was 550,000$ worth from 2016 prices within 3years time, not to mention the site was just starting to peak. and he tried to sell it for 500,000$ just a few months later "claiming he wanted to follow other ambitions" not even 6 months later hes starting a complicated ico. "that raised the near same amount" he just returned 8-9months ago. kind of obvious his intentions wasn't to make a successful dice site since he just threw one away


I'm gonna list the facts to just for clarity :colors  Facts  My speculation
http://web.archive.org/web/20170903041628/https://betking.io/


At the time the ico started btc was worth 4000$ i think around 14000$-17000$ near the end of ico,but since investors shares was pegged to usd and it hasn't went under 4000$ so regardless the ico still raised around 5 million $ I will refer to this again later


quote from the link above

DISTRIBUTION
100,000,000 BetKing Bankroll Tokens will be created as Ethereum ERC23 tokens and issued after the crowdsale ends.70 million will be available for sale to crowdsale participants.30 million will be retained by BetKing for ICO bounties (1%), testing bounties, advisors, hiring, future marketing and development.BetKing Bankroll Tokens can be purchased with Bitcoin, Ethereum and Litecoin. All funds will be held in cold storage.


He Keeps 30% of the tokens



use of funds raised
After the crowdsale at least 50% of the funds raised will be used for the house bankroll that players bet against and winnings are paid from. The remaining funds will be used for marketing, promos, seo, design, development, server costs and legal.


50% of the funds raised are used to do the same stuff that 30% was suppose to be for

Remember when i said i would refer later on? here it is
5$ Million invested "50% claimed to be for "cost" that's 2.5$m
the site was already a copy of the old site, besides a few different features dev cost wouldn't be more then 100k
"hiring people" obv isnt more then 25k since you can't even get a response from support unless you make it public.
and promotions/marketing was paid only with tokens as i recall "the 30% he kept" pretty much just dumping them, 5million$ invested with 6.5million$ worth of tokens floating around
Edit when you read further down you will ask, if he was after "ownership" why dump this much?  Most of the bounty and marketing funds where distributed why these tokens where still pegged to the ico value"still running" not the current 1/10th value
so theres atleast  2 million$ somewhere from the 50%funds (500k used max) and you want to know what that's used for?
To buy back your tokens at 1/10 the value you paid

Of course he claims it is their fault people joined the buy backs but thats how the entire ico was designed, knowing people would sell their tokens esp 1+years later and the token just reaching 10% and dumping 1.5million dollars worth lowering the prices even further.


A simple version, he started out with no funds, just an improved version of his old site, valued his share worth 1.5m$ and dumped those "to create the illusion funds where properly being used" and bought "guessing atleast 30% of the bk tokens back for 1/10th value another 1.5m worth for 150,000$., the more shares he has the more ownership he has over the bankroll too, i'm sure hes building up his "share ownership"

Rough Estimate Dean owns 60% of the Shares/Bankroll and is still holding 1.8m$ min

Also i want to point out.
He has said everyone is out to get him,
he has said hes posted proof before, referring to a different conversation---- i haven't fully followed the scam reports but read about 20 of his replied and never saw actual proof.
Ive seen him claiming "his story is proof" without actual proof just an explanation that can't be verified.
And ive seen him claim the investors that has invested large amounts are happy and here's probably why


Dean technically didn't scam, and in about 2years investors will probably break even. but this ico was designed to profit from the portion that would inevitable fall for the buyback allowing dean to profit atleast 2m$ this is the fact, but i honestly think its more complex and worse then this.  sounds like a ponzi and hes comparing it to stocks/btc price

Edit all of this quoting is confusing tbh.
dictionary attack is a form of brute forcing  i haven't heard hardforce used before but i think hes referring to normal bruteforcing
And the conclusion was that there are still too many combinations to go through--- Exactly and any theory that leads to a hardforce the password is a wrong theory   my point is the same opinion was reached, and people are still arguing about it while they agree on the same thing.... this is how far off subject everything has went

what tipped you off, was it this

the guy talking like a troll who's pretending to be retarded?

@Cyrus @hilariousandco


tons of people here have been banned for doing alot less, and i'm curious why this guy has been around doing this for years, as far as i'm aware mods haven't addressed it once stating why.

just gonna list the things this guy is known for, "not all of them has happen to me personally" but alot of the accusations are made by very trusted people.

Blackmail/Racketeering
Leaves false feedback with people who's only interaction with him was "disagreeing"
Creates dozens of threads promoting his agenda "spam"
Comments on 80% of threads in the gambling section "advertising"

Scams and this one would be easy for a mod to verify, his service offers protection for casinos that scam, "offering legal services" just look at his post providing his "legal advice" the guys a dumbass
on top of that the sites hes promoting usually have worse rep then the ones hes accusing.

so----
Blackmail/Racketeering/FalseFeedback/Spam/Advertising/Scamming.

id like a mod to address why these aren't considered to be breaking any rules, because i have been warned just for posting in the wrong section, and i'm pretty sure i got a temp ban for it once.

this method seems more complicated then it needs to be. most of the cookies will probably be blacklisted pretty fast, meaning you will need to find more list. since you will almost always be using a different account you will need to save your eps/times to a list manually.


I haven't used this site, but i looked at alot of reviews.
https://privacy.com/

it's about 50/50 none of them are "bad reviews accusing them of scamming" but it doesn't seem to work for everyone. but like i stated i have never used this service and i'm not vouching for them.


they claim to mask your debit/credit card with a  "vcc" so you will have to cancel your trials because it will still charge them if you don't. but you can make unlimited trial accounts.
and if you use alot of gpt sites that has offers for hulu/netflix/ music/ebook trials "by the way these cycle every 2-3months, allowing you to repeat them on the same site" so you will need accounts on about 3 different gpt sites to be able to do them every month. you could profit 50$-100$ per month while getting unlimited free trials this way.


even if you decide not to use privacy.com,"i haven't tried it because you need to link a bank account" you still get more money back then what you actually spend on a vcc by using a gpt site.

a tip for anyone who does try this, 75% of the hulu offers are for paid accounts, all you have to do is click the offer,replace the url with the trial landing page and it still credits.

the andrews on acr and bcp had the same voice not just the name,  but this is unrelated my point was there was alot of coincidences that led to my assumptions, and most of them are probably not accurate.
"We know that some things might lead you to such thoughts" this is kind of the point i was trying to make, with all of the things that seem to not add up, coincidences , bad rep. spanning multiple skins it's reasonable to believe there are shady things going on behind the scenes that may or may not actually be true.

alot of your players you get will have their own history with these other skins, and a majority will never know/read about the ownership change. even though you own betcoinpokerag the same ones that ruined it's rep is using betcoinag. no matter what you do now, you will have to trust them 100% to not bring bad attention to their selves because it will be connected to you regardless " the majority will never know/read about the ownership change" if you google either domains betcoinag or betcoinpokerag you will see the site,mixed reviews and scam reports on the first page, you won't see any info about the ownership transfer until the 2nd or 3rd page.

just re reading this it seems like babbling and that i have no point that i'm trying to make.
"andrew" and all of the other problems i had was examples to show that i'm genuinely unsure if its new management "which as i stated i have no problem playing there even if it's not" so i don't need convincing.
the point of it is that i'm sure there is other people with similar doubts/questions/concerns that won't bother looking "deep" into it ---"but there are many other facts which can put you in contradiction with those "things"."---- i'm sure there is alot of facts i'm missing, and i'm not interested enough to search multiple pages from multiple sources, like a majority of people today, it's not worth their time and effort to scavenge all of the pieces .

having no bad rep since you started building it up is good. but my opinion is unchanged if you want people to truly trust you, you need to address alot of the concerns people have or will have. not a dozen pages in the back of a thread. "revamped betcoinpoker" should be in the top five search results before we see all of the scam reports. the homepage should have links to good reviews from reputable sites,blogpost about future plans/updates, Q/A , " reach your playerbase on a personal level" instead of a professional anonymous entity"--- these may be horrible suggestions but right now the homepage has twice the amount of bonuses listed then the "bonus" page does.

apart from all of the examples and suggestions.
my overall point is make these facts that i and everyone else should have more easily obtainable.i have no experience running a service like this so it's probably foolish of me to give advice just wanted to share my thoughts.

I joined a few giveaways last year, and ive personally never had issues cashing out before 2016 and now. before 2016 i had alot of issues with management and how poorly it was being ran "half the time i couldn't access my account" "a troll was left unbanned for 4years begging/scamming/toxic" management said they wouldn't ban because users should have free speech, i had multiple post removed from the site for addressing real concerns around the same time, they ignored security flaws i reported, reset all of my referrals which still hasn't been fix'd after several attempts.

this has nothing to do with "new management" if there actually is new management.


but i'm still not convinced it's under new management.


the main reason i think it's the same group...
https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-paul-promoted-higher-position-within-organization

when paul left the site started going down hill, but it seems odd he would gain a promotion at wpn "if it was 2 separate organizations" but from his statement it seems that betcoin is a community inside the wpn organization.

--- when i found these security flaws and they where ignored for months i contacted other skins "because it could impact all players who use the network" i called americas cardroom ,the supports name was andrew
when i brought it up there was a brief silence before he responded with sarcasm while talking me in circles avoiding the issue  "being a smart ass" when i called blackchippoker rep said "hi this is andrew how may i help you" with the exact same voice.  meanwhile guess who is overseeing my ticket at betcoin? "andrew"


3rd reason
winningpokernetwork has a designated 3rd party "pretty sure it's a branch wpn runs, but lets just say it's not"  handling all of the payment processing. All of the other skins use this, ive seen on 2plus2 somewhere that it's required "but since i'm not sure lets assume it's not required"the "3rd party" is capable of anon btc transactions. why would betcoin be the only skin not using this, and why is betcoin the only skin wpn hasn't officially affiliated it's self with, why is it the only one to ever have a scam accusation on this scale?


From my years of experience playing with wpn i have gathered enough info to make a reasonable assumption that winningpokernetwork owns 100% of these skins and there's not a commission structure offered to investors or popular cardroom brands.

But since me or noone else has ever been able to verify ownership of any of these skins this is just a theory, that can't be proven.


If wpn does own betcoinpoker like i believe, it's not really new management.

if you bought it and really are a new team, then here are my questions.

#1 Why would you buy a brand when it's near it's peak for bad reputation, why would you share that brand with the previous team that destroyed it "and are still using it" would it not be easier to join wpn under a new brand?
#2 Why should anyone believe there is new management when the details about the entire claimed transaction are still a mystery.


like i said i have had bad experiences with this brand and wpn, but i never had a reason to believe i wouldn't get cashed out before or now, every request has been processed and i still use the skins mentioned so for playing low stakes i trust you enough to accept the risk, but there is soo much that doesn't add up, the entire network seems shady. i'm not posting this to bring up past issues. this is what you need to address if you want more players to trust betcoin again, because so far all you have done is claimed to be a new person and that people should trust you based on that.

the transaction didn't have a full url the person who solved it just copied the phrase and put it on the end of a filesharing site like https://bitcointalk.org/WhyTheCombOfNatashaOtomoskiHas21Teeth
i think it was a crypto related file sharing site but i can't remember the name or find the thread in my post history.

i don't think this is the whitepaper but it shows the original distribution and promises he made.
http://web.archive.org/web/20171127111238/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2053407.0

i would love to see this scammer prosecuted.

if he converted his bitcoin holdings to his shitcoin. and if his shitcoin reaches a million per instead of btc from fooling enough people, he would be the richest man alive. this is very unlikely, but it's clear what his plans are.