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there are so many good projects, I think I will simply get refund if possible.
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I think we need a deadline for launching the wallet and list in exchange. If you claim you are not scam, prove it!
Instead of arguing with the phase 2 fund, please show some dev progress?
Whether he's a scam or not, he can't distribute coins to phase 2 users because then they could get coins and get the refund of their BTC so fastest way to settle this would be to only distribute phase 1, get on an exchange with a good price and phase 2 users would demand that sebastianju release the BTC to Wasserman so they could get their XPO. That is BS, SebastianJu will never refund btc when XPO is given out. Don't let wasserman put such ideas in your head. SebastianJu is a well known trusted escrow! At this point, I trust Sebastian. |
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I think we need a deadline for launching the wallet and list in exchange. If you claim you are not scam, prove it!
Instead of arguing with the phase 2 fund, please show some dev progress?
Whether he's a scam or not, he can't distribute coins to phase 2 users because then they could get coins and get the refund of their BTC so fastest way to settle this would be to only distribute phase 1, get on an exchange with a good price and phase 2 users would demand that sebastianju release the BTC to Wasserman so they could get their XPO. Be honest, at this point I am not hoping to get listed in any exchange. You mean you're phase 2 and you want a refund? Why wouldn't you want a coin you're invested in to be listed on an exchange at a price higher than what you paid? That's something everyone wants. I of course want that, but it looks to me that it's just a scam no dev whatsoever, I hope I am wrong. |
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I think we need a deadline for launching the wallet and list in exchange. If you claim you are not scam, prove it!
Instead of arguing with the phase 2 fund, please show some dev progress?
Whether he's a scam or not, he can't distribute coins to phase 2 users because then they could get coins and get the refund of their BTC so fastest way to settle this would be to only distribute phase 1, get on an exchange with a good price and phase 2 users would demand that sebastianju release the BTC to Wasserman so they could get their XPO. Be honest, at this point I am not hoping to get listed in any exchange. |
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I think we need a deadline for launching the wallet and list in exchange. If you claim you are not scam, prove it!
Instead of arguing with the phase 2 fund, please show some dev progress?
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It's getting ugly, now I want my btc back, I'd rather put money on some other project. One simple question, how do I know which phase I am belong to?
Could you show the time of your transactions? Maybe the time will tell you is phase 1 or 2. Thanks, I already contact Ju. |
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It's getting ugly, now I want my btc back, I'd rather put money on some other project. One simple question, how do I know which phase I am belong to?
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Is it possible to short the ICO period, instead of 5 week, make it run 4 weeks.
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did I read correctly that the sig campagin is 7 btc???
I am sorry, but if thats the case, I want my ICO refund back. no way I am investing in an ICO for that much btc going to the campaign.
if anything total btc for the campaign should be no more than 0.5 btc total going to the campaign. As you can see, if we are having this discussion, that means they failed miserably at that campaign.
All best suggestions should be taken by the project team and then ask the investors ONLY to vote on it.
I had brought this up about the vote broken down to who invested and by how much on the Opair slack channel.
The same way you do when you invest in stocks.
It was BTC7 from the start, well BTC7 in XPO at first. but in investors interest they decided to pay out in btc because many people might dump the coin if it hits a exchange. The shares I got are way less then I received on other ICO's and signature campaigns. That the ICO didn't raised enough is because Opair team wasn't being transparent from the start and raised so many red flags that investors stayed away. I wanted to invest a lot more but after a lot of hassle I decided not to. So you don't believe in the project you wanted to be a part of the campaign , thats like the most negative campaign ever and that deserves less than the .5 btc I suggested for this. I saw a a ICO succeed with less than 6btc. Since the numbers went down as initially planned for the ICO, that included the Bounty, then the bounty and signature campaign should be reflected by the percentage raised. makes sense, so the bounty should be roughly equal 1.5BTC |
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due to it have reach the 2000BTC, I think project team should close the ICO at once to protect investers, don't make it become the 2nd wave.
I agree, having it run for another entire month it's pointless to me but it's not gonna happen...no one choose to "lose" money haha. I'm sure investments will start to decline now without the bonus, similar thing happened with the Dao. I've always being advocating for capping ICO fund, once the expect target has been reached there is no need to keep collecting fund you do not have plans for, There is need to enforce this. Why collecting funds for collection sake and expose investors to more risk. Although no risk no reward but also wisdom is the principal thing. It's true, but I don't think we can do much about it. With 4000 BTC it is enough to start this project. |
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I don't see where is the problem. Simple
You received 60 BTC which is a lot in stage 1. That should get you a head-start and to get trust from investors :
1. Pay the bounties from stage 1 you will be left with more than 50 BTC
2. Release the wallet and distribute the coins if you think you got much less than you wanted well that's a risk every developer has to accommodate sometimes less is more in crypto ( a lot of now sucessful projects even started as a joke and are now in top 50 coins without any starting funds) apart from that I'm OK if you take that 9% that was reserved for PoW as development fund and that should give you motivation for your project to be properly developed.
Now for the escrow :
1. You get 20% of escrow when you distribute coins and post working basic wallet along with source (that's additional 15-18 BTC I don't know how much was raised in stage 2 )
2. You get 20% when you list it on Bittrex and not some shitty exchange (3 BTC listing fee will get you additional 15 BTC for development)
You are still left with more than 80 BTC (stage1+stage2) you can start developing the wallet you promised.
3. You get 20% when you release wallet you promised (beta one)
4. You get 40% when it's functional (I'm not saying smart contracts, debit cards, ... ) but that it is stable
I agree with this proposal. |
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ICO website is containing deceitful wording regarding claimed security of the setup We employ state-of-the-art security technology for you, with the storage of fiat and digital assets embedded into an Ethereum contract! This is completely false. The only thing that can be embedded in and Ethereum contract is Ethereum based assets such as MKR, REP and DGX. Every other crypto will have to be held in custody in centralized hot and cold wallets managed by we don't know who (no information provided). The whole matter of how funds will be handled is completely ignored in spite of the fact this is probably the most important aspect of this project. Storage of assets: not covered Audit of assets: not covered Change of service provider: not covered Counterparty risk warning: not covered Transfer of assest in case of change of service provider: not covered Who stores the assets of open managed funds: not covered Whether ICN holders get dividends: not covered The nature and calculation of ICN holders dividends (if applicable): not covered The whitepapers are more highlevel sales pitches than whitepapers and explain strictly nothing about how the whole thing is going to work technically. This is really underwhelming. As far as I can tell, there is nothing preventing this thing from becoming TheDAO meets MtGoxthis post is severe and deserves an official response. That's true,@estenity ICONOMI, please address these issues. |
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A quick reminder: First week 15% bonus is available only for 2 more hours!
If there is someone here who is still hesitating, this is the last moment to grab that bonus.
At this point it is rather clear that this project is one of the biggest ICOs of 2016
It is one of the biggest, I it will probably raise 15000 - 20000 BTC in the end. |
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Looks like we are entering into Waves territory here.
What happened with Waves? Sorry, I didn't follow it. Its where it got overbought and was funded heavily that the dev team was stunned and never got to work but lay around celebrating for more than 3 months spending the money of the investors without developing the token, not even a news but just a tweet. Lets just hope history won't repeats itself over again. Yes sadly there should've been some milestones established, not sure if there are. We'll have to trust the team. Usually giving people huge piles of money to manage and spend creates a bad habit, it's not their money they are expending so they basically ended up doing a half assed job. Hope this is the exception. Investors here need to slow down. Save at least half of your stack for investing in the 2nd fund, performance.iconomi (CMF) ICN token holders will be getting a minority of the profit from performance.iconomi as dividends. Smarter to save your money/excitement and go directly into performance.iconomi, then you will be getting a majority of the profits from that fund. The money from this ico is meant for development of the platform, operations, legal, marketing. My concern with the overfunding of this, is we may end up getting the same development work and platform at double the price. Ethereum is an example, where they burnt through ico money on six legal entities across europe, expensive offices in multiple countries, and high salaries (choice of zug as headquarters means literally double or triple the salaries and rent compared to other places in europe). The product is a massive success, but a lot of investor money was wasted, and they probably could have built the same thing with half the funds: https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/01/07/2394/What I really like about Lisk, is they decided to take a humble approach and stretch the ico funds to make them last for several years. It makes sense, thanks MoveCrypto |
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Is the coin still pow/pos if so what is the distribution. Or has it gone full pos.
It's full pos now. |
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Thanks, there is another fake wave account @wavesplatf rom, be careful, guys! |
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I see the bonus period has ended, meaning I can't get any bonus trying to invest on ICO.
One other thing is there is ICN token on yobit is that the same thing?
And is it still profitable if I invest in ICO?
You still have 8 hours to get 15% bonus. |
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There's a fake sasha account appears in the twitter, pay attention guys!
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congrats on nearly 4K btc
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Anybody from Stratis can explain how to install and run the Stratis-qt file on Linux?
Do I need another program to run it? Knowing that does not run when dowble click on the file.
Best, and thanks in advance.
same problem with ubuntu 12.04, i don`t wanna use windows edit: Krushang answered via pm (thank you!), 12.04 need shared libraries. i will test it later with 14.04 Thanks Sindren, he gave me the answer  Hi Krushang, I also have issue with stratis-qt in mint 18, could you pm me how to run it, thanks |
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