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It all comes down to who heads up the project after all the cash comes pouring in.
Unless you have a competent team behind the wheel your gonna crash the party. Even semi-professional outfits like BFL that have delivered product(s) in the past have failed to live up to their promises. Same goes for the other end of the spectrum.
IMO Crowdsourcing would work better for buying bulk prefab ASIC chips (from Avalon, maybe helv in the future) and working from there; less risk if knowledgeable/experienced parties are involved. Vetting processes and possible recourse laid out in contracts etc...
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Let me take one more shot at this correct me if I'm wrong The first 5k chips will be arriving at the assembly house on Thursday ... hat's the current timeline, and as usual, subject to change. So in theory they could have been bumped and packaged, but not 100%. I assume they get shipped from Asia, so if he said that two days until arrival they were probably already shipped; so your right. He either lied about the wafers arrival date (earlier than expected) or they hadn't shipped yet and he said they did. Either way iffy. Thnks for the breakdown No, for the last 2 months, josh has been talking as if all 5 wafers out of the first group were processed as one batch, which took 6 weeks to go from wafer to chips. He then suggested the second group of 6 wafers would ship 1-1.5 weeks after that. The chat log last night now shows that 1 wafer was processed in that 6 weeks, and they are now finishing the remaining 4 wafers out of batch 1, with the 6 wafers from batch 2 nowhere in sight, and possibly delayed by a needed chip revision. What this suggest to me is that they didn't actually order their chips when they said they did, and that what they recieved from the packaging facility was actually their engineering samples. To compound things, josh has constantly shit on avalon for only shipping 300 units, saying BFL can ship 300 per day, today we learn BFL only has at most 1000 finished chips which can't even produce 300 units, unless 200 of them are jalapenos which due to the power usage of the current chips, will only be able to hash at 1-2 mh/s I don't check on BFL stuff on a regular basis, but I know those cowboys have some chips for a couple of days etc. What do you guys think are the chances to get anything within the next two months, when ordering today?
Im curious, I would even think about a jalapeno, just for the luls. The chances are clearly zero. By their own admissions have one wafer of inconsistently performing chips after all these months. Very troubling. |
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First batch is 5000 chips, first order # for august maybe 3800, starting from 1600. Of course it won't be enough to cover june-23 till july-23 orders, no way an august one will be part of it.
If you ordered a big single they might do 2x little singles since the power limit is per board, not per chip. The chips run at full spec without a problem, the problem seems to be with the boards or power regulators. Same for the mini-rig's setup, if they don't find the culprit/a fix soon, they will send 2 mini-rigs, same total number of chips, but double amount of boards, cases, psu.
We've learned today that the first batch is 1000 chips. They don't even have the third wafer yet, and the first one was destroyed for nothing. They are rolling 4 wafers off the line "shortly." They may even be ready now [assuming you take his word for it]. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1b8hvt/bfl_josh_updates_on_asic_status_full_transcript/Yeah, and now all that's needed is shipping, dicing, shipping, bumping, shipping, packaging, shipping, mounting, shipping, and testing. it only took 3 months last time! Soon. The first 5k chips will be arriving at the assembly house on Thursday, the second set about a week or week and a half after that, and the then rest of the chips another week or week and a half after that. That's the current timeline, and as usual, subject to change. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1300-when-bulk-first-75-wafers-will-delivered-bfl.html#post18270Caught in a lie. At this point, had they only processed 1 wafer, josh would have known about it and wouldn't have said 5k chips. Just playing devil's advocate here.... but that post you link to does kind of line up with what he said in the chat last night (save for ~2 week delay, which he does say is possibility in your link). No it doesn't, not at all. His post suggests 5 wafers were bumped and packaged. The second set of 6 wafers would take another week, and the balance of 75 wafers the week after that. In the chat, we found out 1 wafer was bumped and packaged, they are still waiting on the other 4 wafers out of the first batch, and who knows what's going on with the second batch of 6 wafers. He lied, either then when all along he suggested 5 wafers were being processed, or now when he is saying wafers 3-6 are currently being finished. Let me take one more shot at this correct me if I'm wrong The first 5k chips will be arriving at the assembly house on Thursday ... hat's the current timeline, and as usual, subject to change. So in theory they could have been bumped and packaged, but not 100%. I assume they get shipped from Asia, so if he said that two days until arrival they were probably already shipped; so your right. He either lied about the wafers arrival date (earlier than expected) or they hadn't shipped yet and he said they did. Either way iffy. Thnks for the breakdown |
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First batch is 5000 chips, first order # for august maybe 3800, starting from 1600. Of course it won't be enough to cover june-23 till july-23 orders, no way an august one will be part of it.
If you ordered a big single they might do 2x little singles since the power limit is per board, not per chip. The chips run at full spec without a problem, the problem seems to be with the boards or power regulators. Same for the mini-rig's setup, if they don't find the culprit/a fix soon, they will send 2 mini-rigs, same total number of chips, but double amount of boards, cases, psu.
We've learned today that the first batch is 1000 chips. They don't even have the third wafer yet, and the first one was destroyed for nothing. They are rolling 4 wafers off the line "shortly." They may even be ready now [assuming you take his word for it]. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1b8hvt/bfl_josh_updates_on_asic_status_full_transcript/Yeah, and now all that's needed is shipping, dicing, shipping, bumping, shipping, packaging, shipping, mounting, shipping, and testing. it only took 3 months last time! Soon. The first 5k chips will be arriving at the assembly house on Thursday, the second set about a week or week and a half after that, and the then rest of the chips another week or week and a half after that. That's the current timeline, and as usual, subject to change. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1300-when-bulk-first-75-wafers-will-delivered-bfl.html#post18270Caught in a lie. At this point, had they only processed 1 wafer, josh would have known about it and wouldn't have said 5k chips. Just playing devil's advocate here.... but that post you link to does kind of line up with what he said in the chat last night (save for ~2 week delay, which he does say is possibility in your link). |
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First batch is 5000 chips, first order # for august maybe 3800, starting from 1600. Of course it won't be enough to cover june-23 till july-23 orders, no way an august one will be part of it.
If you ordered a big single they might do 2x little singles since the power limit is per board, not per chip. The chips run at full spec without a problem, the problem seems to be with the boards or power regulators. Same for the mini-rig's setup, if they don't find the culprit/a fix soon, they will send 2 mini-rigs, same total number of chips, but double amount of boards, cases, psu.
We've learned today that the first batch is 1000 chips. They don't even have the third wafer yet, and the first one was destroyed for nothing. They are rolling 4 wafers off the line "shortly." They may even be ready now [assuming you take his word for it]. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1b8hvt/bfl_josh_updates_on_asic_status_full_transcript/ |
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If you ordered today just read Josh's policy: If would would prefer to wait for a unit after we've made some changes to the systems that need a bit of tweaking, we will be happy to put your shipment on hold. However, if you'd rather have the units right now at an increased power usage, we will ship you as many units as required to get you to the hashrate your purchased, if we end up having to scale back any given class of unit to fit within the power envelope of the current board design. If you DONT want the power hungry ones, contact BFL and let them know; they will hold your order until the new ones are ready. They don't have an specific estimate as to when a fix would be rolled out to production units, so if they fix quickly, yes you probably would get a newer one if you ordered today, but if it is difficult to solve, well, then, your SOL. We need more info tbch. "X: josh do we have any idea of if we will reach sept or aus orders in this batch BFL_Josh: In the first 5 wafers? No, I doubt it." http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1b8hvt/bfl_josh_updates_on_asic_status_full_transcript/It implies there are not enough chips and boards to fullfill even last year orders, so called 1st batch. Ordering now means getting into 3rd batch, or 4th?  Depends on how many cancelled orders too. Time will tell I guess. |
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If I knew the fixed cores would be in within a week then I would hold off.
I have pre orders from July of last year, If I was bumped to the front of the "fixed" line I would wait.
If they would be delayed only a week or 2 from the other "broken" chips then I would be ok with that.
Hopefully we will get answers really soon! Like before even the first pre-orders ship!!!
Very good point; depending on the info that is released I may do half-and-half (if that is allowed). |
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Situation with Jalapeno makes me wonder as well. Another thing that makes me wonder is how come new orders would need to wait 2 months
if BFL makes 400 units per day, it makes no sense. They haven't got that many orders to start with and a lot of people cancelled their orders,
especially in last few months, since problems with delivery date and other issues started.
Main concern for me right now is will those who ordered recently or even today will get the new, improved SC, or will be getting "old", flawed ones?
To be fair, given their track record they may have erred on the side of caution with date estimates. Say two months, deliver in 1-2, looks good for them. Just a guess. If you ordered today just read Josh's policy: If would would prefer to wait for a unit after we've made some changes to the systems that need a bit of tweaking, we will be happy to put your shipment on hold. However, if you'd rather have the units right now at an increased power usage, we will ship you as many units as required to get you to the hashrate your purchased, if we end up having to scale back any given class of unit to fit within the power envelope of the current board design. If you DONT want the power hungry ones, contact BFL and let them know; they will hold your order until the new ones are ready. They don't have an specific estimate as to when a fix would be rolled out to production units, so if they fix quickly, yes you probably would get a newer one if you ordered today, but if it is difficult to solve, well, then, your SOL. We need more info tbch. |
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This guy hasn't offered any sort of proof that he bought a unit or what sort of credibility he has here on the forums/IRL. Smells fishy.
Tread with caution my friends.
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Awesome!
Looking nice, good job!
Yeah i reckon 3D printers still have a few years to go before we can get this amount of fine details, but that would be an awesome combination: bitcoin and 3D printing!
Ummm, I doubt a MakerBot or other prefab home-kit would be able to muscle it out but larger outfits like ShapeWays could make it happen with an assortment of different materials. |
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My guess is you need to install an OpenCL package from your GPU vendor (assuming your GPU supports it, of course). Something like GPU Caps viewer can help you determine that if you are unsure yourself.
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Well their most recent update would indicate otherwise: 28 March 2013 - Mini-Update
I had wanted to post a video tonight, but wasn't able to make that happen, so let me apologize for that in advance. As some of you may know from the chatbox, we have been working diligently to get these ASICs out the door. We've been tracking down a power issue these last few days and have it isolated to a few key systems. In the interest of time, we are planning on potentially scaling back units hashing speed as required to accommodate the extra power and shipping multiple units to those that want their units right now. If would would prefer to wait for a unit after we've made some changes to the systems that need a bit of tweaking, we will be happy to put your shipment on hold. However, if you'd rather have the units right now at an increased power usage, we will ship you as many units as required to get you to the hashrate your purchased, if we end up having to scale back any given class of unit to fit within the power envelope of the current board design.
We have the current design hashing, and as I said, I had hoped to have a video of a unit hashing here in KC, but I wasn't able to bring that all together tonight, but hopefully I can get it posted up tomorrow or by this weekend. I will update as soon as I have more news to share, with a video.
If you absolutely do not want a unit that is consuming more power than expected, you can let us know you'd like to wait for a revised unit or you are welcome to request a refund. If you'd rather have your units shipped regardless of increased power usage, we will still guarantee your hashrate by shipping you however many units are required to achieve your purchased hashrate. There is no need to contact us right now if you are not concerned about the power usage and just want your units shipped ASAP. Even with the increased power demand on these first units, they will still out perform any competing products by a very wide margin in terms of power and megahash/J.
Again, we apologize for the delay, but we are almost there. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-2.html |
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Ah restrictions! Want in on one of these Avalon group buys before its too late. Hurry time, hurry! lol
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