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Come avevo detto qualche giorno fa il mercato sembrava "scontare" già nei prezzi la decisione "negativa" sul ETF, proprio perchè saliva ma non come doveva in caso di approvazione.
Quando, e non se, verrà approvato il primo ETF sul Bitcoin sarà una svolta epocale sull'intero settore, e questo influenzerà in modo inimmaginabile l'intero mercato, bitcoin in primis ovviamente.
Quando, e non se, verrà approvato il primo ETF lo scopriremo non il giorno dell'annuncio della SEC o di qualche altro ente, ma dal grafico mensile del Bitcoin, perchè chi avrà già l'informazione corretta agirà in anticipo e muoverà il mercato...noi seguiremo dal giorno della news al Tg, e a cui probabilmente assisteremo a una nuova e ultima discesa prima della vera e più sana salita.
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Very interesting info and charts.However, I don't think that anyone could answer your questions.
All the stuff that you are writing about:ETF approval and institutional investors buying lots of btc,e-commerse
platforms accepting btc,etc. are just possibilities.They didn't happend in the past or in the present.What makes you think that they will happen in the future?I think that the btc halving doesn't have such impact over the bitcoin price.We shouldn't care that much about it.
First of all, however, some clarifications: 1) Perhaps I had not been clear at the beginning, so I highlighted it better "if Bitcoin survives in the next 10 years"; so it is useless to say that we do not know what happens tomorrow .... this is obvious. We are only discussing a hypothetical futuristic vision, absurd and unlikely for some or very realistic for others. Obviously nobody has the answers and nobody knows the future  2) we do not watch segwit yesterday or today's ETF or again LN tomorrow; we try to go and look beyond our nose .... that's why a horizon of 10 years. It's shocking but it's also ambitious and fascinating, it makes you think! What I would say to really understand and deepen is the extraction of Bitcoin in 2028; in one month of that year we will have ONLY 1.5625 Bitcoins of block rewards and ONLY 225 Bitcoins in one day, almost 90% less than today. In 2028 20,343,250 Bitcoins were extracted of the 21,000,000 total, about 97%! These are numbers and facts, irrefutable! In my opinion, if and how it survives, the value of Btc in 2029 will be about $ 100 or $ 1,000,000. |
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Definitely an innovative and intuitive exchange, fantastic and fast support, attentive to customer needs and market evolutions, robust on the security side, reliable and secure with all the forks and swaps of the various tokens and coins, BUT .... . in the last few months almost every currency that is added to the exchange, after a first initial pump, of a few days or even just a few hours, it starts to lose a lot of value, only to find itself far below the quotation price.  |
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The first Halving in the "short" history of Bitcoin was on 28/11/2012 after the first 210,000 blocks, from the famous 03/01/2009 to 18.15 hours Greenwich, in which the first bitcoin block was extracted (genesis block ); from that day on, it has gone from a reward for miners from 50 Btc (many of them made with their home PC :-)) to 25 Btc for block. Subsequently, after the blaze of 2013 and the heavy fall of 2014-15, there was a new Halving on 04/07/2016 where we went from a reward of 25 Btc to the current 12.5 Btc for block. So new price flare in 2017 and new heavy decline, still in place. To date and until May 2020 we have 12.5 Btc for block and about 1800 Btc mined every day. Then we will have: 03/01/2009 ----- 28/11/2012 ------- 50 Btc for block ------- 7200 Btc every day 28/11/2012 ----- 04/07/2016 ------- 25 Btc for block ------- 3600 Btc every day 04/07/2016 ---- 25/05/2020 ------- 12.5 Btc for block ------- 1800 Btc every day 25/05/2020 ---- May 2024 ----- 6.25 Btc for block ------- 900 Btc every day May 2024 --- May 2028 ---- 3.125 Btc for block ------ 450 Btc every day May 2028 --- May 2032 ---- 1.5625 Btc for Block ---- 225 Btc every day (the dates will probably change slightly, but it's right to have a reference) Leaving aside what happened in the past and in the previous 2 Halving, if Bitcoin survives the next 10 years or about 3500 days that are missing at 5 Halving of its history, we will have from May 2028 about 1.5625 Btc of reward for each of the 144 blocks, 225 Bitcoins a day!
The question is simple and one: What could be the price of 1 Bitcoin in 10 years, considering the most widespread and exponential adoption that will take place over time? The likely opening of regulated markets, with the mass entry of institutional and private, through mutual funds, ETF, pension funds, etc.? The probable adoption of many e-commerce platforms (perhaps integrating it with their internal coin), of debit and credit cards, of strategic asset? Of his RARITY? ONLY 225 Bitcoins mined every day from May 2028! Make your estimate: How much will 1 Btc be worth in December 2029, after 5 Halving and after a probable new rise?  I realized only today (14-08-18) that this was my 1000 post on bitcointalk, and I did it on 08/08/2018 at 20:18  wowwww |
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Wow. Do anyone know why Metaverse is doing so well in this red storm? unbelievable.
Actually I wondered how it is possible that he lost so much ..... have you read the first pages of Op and you understand what Etp does? Metaverse is very underrated, and this is only the beginning! I would like to ask if there is some safe exchange site without verification process?
The best exchange where you can sell and buy ETP without a mandatory verification is Bitfinex; but if you're not an already registered user they put a minimum deposit limit of $ 10,000 for all new users. |
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why is the price down so hard?
https://ethereumworldnews.com/sirin-labs-not-iota-finney-phone-relies-ethereum/I believe this is the answer to your question. There were strong expectations for the partnership with Sirin Labs and could be a first use case of Iota / Tangle application in the real world. However, I am sure that the team and the other partnerships will be able to extract value and real use cases from the Iota / Tangle world. |
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I look forward to the new monthly token burn schedule, and hope the exchange will be up and running in full soon. It is pretty ironic that following Eidoo has brought me attention to some quality projects, such as Pigzbe, Wallem and the like, which might prove to be more lucrative down the road, much more than Eidoo.
It will only take time but before or after the market will appreciate all the work and the qualities of Eidoo, both for the ICO and for the wallet, both for the exchange and debit card, both the token burn and the marketpalce. Meanwhile, even for smartphones with IoS released and operating the wallet for Btc https://cryptonomist.ch/it/criptovalute/eidoo-wallet-2/ |
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I wanted to ask the Devs and the Team if it is possible to reserve part of the community fund to improve marketing and make the Coin known to other communities.
NAVcoin is an incredible project, for certain aspects and unique features of its kind, see POS with Age, but really little known and appreciated by the communities and the market ..... it is absurd to stay in the 3 page of CMC.
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i bought at 4$ now i have big lose . do you think price will recover in september or better to sell now and accept the lose ?
Despite the sharp decline in the last 3 months, ICX still stands at around $ 8 compared to its $ ICO price. There are no wrong choices but above all there are no securities in this world, with regard to prices, so the question is: can you bear and hold the loss for another 3-6-9 months? even if the price drops to $ 0.50? If it seems too little, you just have to wait for Btc at $ 5,000 (-25% from today) and ICX at 10000 satoshi (-30% from today). As you can see everything is possible, so you could sell today at almost $ 1 and buy back double the coin later at $ 0.50, or even less ........ it's up to you to decide and choose! |
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Digibyte is a sleeping giant. The prudent thing to do is buy, buy, buy and hold, hold, hold. The future will reap you the rewards of wisdom and patience boys and girls.
Haha that’s a funny post. The sleeping giant however, is regulated by the whales and can put it back to sleep whenever they like. There is nothing specialabout holding DGB, I have been holding and trading this coin for a few months now and I’ve had worst experiences. The real sleeping giant is Rippe. More than a sleeping giant, I see DGB as an opportunity to increase your Bitcoin over time, consistently and regularly, as you can also do Dogecoin. They are very old coins that at intervals of about 4-6 months almost always have a small pump, after which a descent phase begins again. Digibyte in this 2 months is undecided whether to return to form a new minimum under 200 satoshi or leave towards his Ath, if it exceeds 700 satoshi. Ripple is another coin pump-dump, but be careful that sooner or later the pumps will end and there will only be dumps |
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Agosto è quasi sempre stato un mese difficile per i mercati e, dopo una salita di quasi un mese e del 25%, se non riesce subito a riportarsi sopra gli 8500 (come già avevo indicato giorni fa, prima che ci arrivasse), credo che riprenderà a scendere e continuare a seguire il suo trend primario di medio, che è bearish.
Sopra gli 8500$, meglio se in chiusura settimanale, credo che si possa considerare una vera inversione del trend in atto da inizio anno.
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Quando ho detto circa 10000 persone ho dato per scontato che chi possiede crypto, e non si interessa solamente ad esse, segue quotidianamente gli sviluppi, le notizie, gli aggiornamenti dei wallet, la roadmap, i fork, gli airdrop, le mainet, le realese, etc. etc…..e dove trovi, velocemente e ovunque sei, tutte queste informazioni se non in telegram?
Però considerare TG come indicatore per sapere quanti possano seguire un certo tema è riduttivo secondo me. Ti faccio un esempio: in risposte che ho dato nei mesi scorsi in questo thread (quindi sul tema fisco) ho più volte suggerito di cercare approfondimenti sul canale TG dedicato, e l'ho detto a persone che facevano domande dalle quali capivo che non avevano seguito quel canale (se no non avrebbero fatto quella domanda). Da questo deduco che sia ampia la casistica di persone che si informano PRIMA sul forum, ed eventualmente poi arrivano o vengono indirizzati a TG. Questo vale anche per persone che cercano di tenersi aggiornate ed anche queste - perciò - sono persone che andrebbero considerate nel conteggio che proponi. Voi su 100 persone intorno con cui lavorate o interagite riuscite a trovarne 1 che ha le crypto? Ripeto: non che ha sentito in Tv a dicembre scorso del Bitcoin, ma che ha in portafoglio qualche Crypto?
Per quanto mi riguarda ho due colleghi che possiedono cripto. Due rispetto a quanti ? beh se considerassi tutti sarebbero parecchie migliaia ma ovviamente non devo considerare questo insieme perché mica mi metto a parlare di cripto con tutti.... Diciamo che sarebbe corretto considerare le persone con le quali parli o hai un contatto che vada oltre il semplice saluto ? allora direi che sono più di 100, diciamo 200 ? Quindi saremmo intorno all'1,5% nel mio caso. C'è da dire che io lavoro in un contesto nel quale c'è una forte propensione per la tecnologia e l'innovation, per cui la % potrebbe essere nel mio caso più alta di quella media. E’ proprio quello che avevo specificato infatti; con te infatti la % si alza per i motivi che hai giustamente indicato ma nel complesso e considerando il livello medio di cultura finanziaria in Italia ( vedi la recente pubblicità dei libretti postali ) la vedo più bassa del tuo 1,5% o dello 0,8% anche di palandrine; diciamo appunto su uno 0,1% ma di persone “attive”, cioè senza minorenni o over...anta. C’è un modo di sapere quanti italiani siamo iscritti qui in Bitcointalk? |
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The future of altcoin coins is closely linked to Bitcoin; it's always been like that and it always will be.
When Bitcoin and the big holders get tired of selling, the whole market will recover ... good coins and bad coins.
As others say here, I do not think the market will punish bad projects .... not yet.
There will be and will be punished the scam coin or ponzi coin, but everything else will remain afloat ..... the real and great cleaning will be there in a few years, when the grandparents will buy the coins in the bank or at the post office!
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Today is another bottom reached. Should I start to worry, why so little trust in Walton? Bought a little at 58k sat but it went even lower. I'm trying to get my average price as little as possible. Was stupid enough to buy at 30$, luckily not that much.
The mistake that many people make is to buy all the amount of Coin you like in a single solution .... you have $ 1000 available, go into the exchange and buy all that day, maybe at the market. Mistaken! You should divide your purchase over several days as well as make a plan to accumulate investment or pension funds; doing so dilute and reduce your risk of buying high .... think for example if a user John entered the market and has invested $ 10,000 in WTC in January .... think of his despair now ..... and instead, he thinks about John investing $ 1000 in WTC in January, another $ 1,000 in February, another $ 1,000 in March, and so on; today he is losing, but it is much quieter. |
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I downloaded the Eiboo app the wallet address is for Ethereum. Can I have my MTV sent to that address? I’m asking because Eiboo doesn’t have a wallet called MTV. Thank you in advance.
If Eiboo supports ether tokens, you can. Now the token MTV on ether blockchain, go to their own blockchain they are plan in Q1 2019. This is certainly your choice, but I would advise you to register a purse for MEW. I have never encountered a wallet Eiboo. I just trust the myetherwallet more) You can do it but if you have not associated that Eth address on the Multiversum platform the system will not let you do it; at this moment you can withdraw your eMTV tokens and send them only to the address you previously associated when you registered on the platform ...... also to be able to withdraw must be verified on the same, ie you have to pass the Kyc |
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A good POS currency, even if it is not openly, is VeChain (Ven), recently released with its mainet and a 1: 100 split, named VechainThor (VET).
It works with the same principle of Neo that generates Gas, and in fact just keep your VET in the wallet to receive Thor daily, which is similar to Ethereum gas, ie any transaction or operation that is carried out on the Vechain blockchain must use THOR for to work, which will subsequently be burned; therefore, as it is produced, it is also burnt, decreasing the inflation generated.
There are also several node systems, which generate a higher% of THOR based on owned VET; at present, there is about 20% annual ROI!
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Ho verificato i calcoli, sono uguali al trova offerte del garante delle energie. Dovrebbero essere attendibili.
Bene, allora se i calcoli sono corretti, mi sono perso qualcosa? Perchè sento in ogni dove utenti che dicono non essere più conveniente minare in Italia? Sono d’accordo ed è palese che altrove la corrente costa meno e quindi si guadagna molto di più, vedi già la Slovenia, la Bulgaria e la R. Ceca vicino a noi, ma comunque anche qui in Italia restano dei buoni margini. Sempre nell’esempio di cui sopra sono pur sempre circa 80 euro al giorno o 2400 al mese oppure in termini di crypto abbiamo 0,17 Eth al giorno o 5 Eth al mese, con il mercato schiacciato di questi giorni; immaginiamo cosa può essere 5 Eth al mese tra 12-24-36 mesi. Diciamo che non è niente male….sempre che i calcoli e le spese sono giuste! Non so che calcoli hai fatto, allora consideriamo un RIG da 8 RX580 la prezzo di 300 euro a scheda siamo a 2400 euro a cui aggiungere 400 euro di alimentatore, MB, mem...etc quindi abbiamo un costo totale di 2800 Euro. Facendo riferimento a whattomine con 8 RX580 oggi guadagni 8,41 $ che corrispondono a circa 7,25 Euro al giorno con un consumo di 1080W che al prezzo di 0,156 Euro a Kwh corrisponde a: 1,08 Kwh x 24 h = 25,92 Kwh x 0,156 = 4,04 Euro quindi il tuo guadagno giornaliero è 7,25 - 4,04 = 3,21 Euro che moltiplicato per 365 giorno sono 1474 Euro. Questo vuol dire che per ammortizzare il costo del tup hardware prima di iniziare a guadagnare ci metti circa 1 anno e 11 mesi, in una condizione ottimale. Ciao Anche i tuoi calcoli sono corretti, ma come lo erano i miei….non ti sei accorto infatti che il mio esempio era riferito a 10 Rig con 8 schede 580 ciascuno per cui basta moltiplicare i tuoi risultati x10 e siamo lì ( con le piccole differenze dovute alla variazione di prezzo delle monete). Il calcolo della corrente non l’ho inserito è vero, ma per una ragione: se mai iniziassi seriamente a fare mining, guarderei al totale delle coin che mino nel singolo giorno e le accumulerei il più possibile, per poi venderle molto più in là….consideralo come investire in una coin in cui credi fortemente nel team e nel progetto che esso porta avanti, e quindi non ti preoccupi giornalmente del prezzo nel mercato, perché tu sei un HOLDER. Ecco, io sarei un holder: se ad esempio voglio investire nel mining 100.000 euro, compro schede, pezzi e macchinari per 70-80.000 euro mentre gli altri 20-30mila circa li terrei da parte per i costi di energia, affitto e problematiche varie per i successivi 2 anni almeno. |
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