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681  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 07:48:59 PM



that forum website just says sent message to "delaria" on skype not THAT delaria is their name on skype.
it says the same thing for every username on that forum.
however, delaria as username on labcoin's bitcointalk profile is odd regardless

It's possible that Sam could be female. How would we know? Has anyone any proof one way or the other?
682  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 07:43:51 PM
Any explanation for this?



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=120219
http://forum.onverse.com/showthread.php?t=20037

Skype handles are unique and not case sensitive.


Edit: I contacted "labcoin", but didn't receive an answer. That was some weeks ago. Could be nothing though..


Edit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg3175880#msg3175880

This is looking more and more like a scam. If it is then it's even more epic than pirateat40 with millions of dollars on the line. At least BTCGarden gave the coins back.
683  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 07:27:12 PM
I have not received information from Sam yet, and I would like to make clear though that no TIME was stated for the announcement that Sam has promised. Also, speculating wildly in possible BTC addresses is 100% pointless. Also: I have no more information to supply as of right now.

Hey guys, its really important... I just wanted to let you know I have nothing to tell you right now.

hey TheSwede75 only received 950 BTC to pump this scam, can't expect him to work too hard.


How much is 950 BTC in USD? Wasn't he shopping for a rolex and a car right after the IPO?
684  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 07:03:00 PM
I'm calling .0013 as the low here.
I predict it will go below that. 0.001 or perhaps even lower. Labcoin is on life support.
685  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 06:55:54 PM
weak hands. watch and learn suckers
Labcoin is clearly a pump and dump stock. How many times have we seen this?
686  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 06:55:06 PM
Fuck it, I'm posting this...

Hi,

We were wondering, what time zone did Labcoin mean when they said they'd publish their mining address before Wednesday, and pay dividends on Tuesday.

Sorry if this is the 100th time you've been asked this.

Thanks. Smiley

I am sceduled to talk to Sam before Wednesday so until then I have no information.

PM from just under an hour ago. Labcoin and Swede are meeting later. Time zone was never China. Idiots for not clarifying this on the forum and letting the manipulators kill the price.

What did I tell you? This is going back to IPO price and this time it's going to stay there.
Labcoin didn't pay the dividend either.
687  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 04:08:28 PM
Let the sell offs begin.
688  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 03:52:11 PM
So, 17 minutes left ?

Why? Why 17 minutes?

Wednesday in China in 10 minutes (labcoin's timezone).

And that is when I predict everyone will dump their shares.
689  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 03:48:13 PM
I told you that wall was real.
Indeed, looks like if it's a bot it's probably real, unless it's happy to let the other people's asks at 0.003 that were placed before it get nibbled, and would only pull when it's own asks get touched. I'm not sure how bots tend to handle that because it's hard to tell who owns what on the same price.

In 15 minutes watch the price crash. If you want to buy then buy in at the IPO prices in 15 minutes.
690  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 03:30:50 PM
B) The Labcoin team has been shown to use deception and dishonesty against the shareholders
Or more likely, the Labcoin team being typical tech genius types struggle with social, communication & language skills, and suck every last dick in the world at PR.

I like your style, these guys aren't a con. They are proving that they don't care about short term share price, that's a good thing. They are talking long term

How do you know what they care about? There is no proof of anything. It's basically the same proof you had when it was at IPO, plus some missed deadlines. So how is the price of shares so high?

If you want to hold then do so. Just don't encourage anyone to buy until after the dividends go out.
691  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 03:29:49 PM
B) The Labcoin team has been shown to use deception and dishonesty against the shareholders
Or more likely, the Labcoin team being typical tech genius types struggle with social, communication & language skills, and suck every last dick in the world at PR.

All they had to do to avoid all this is lock the shares. No one would be accusing them of being a scam and there wouldn't be wild swings in the share price if they locked the shares. They refused while trying to act like they would. Then they miss deadlines they set after promising to have evidence of hashing.

That is not communication and PR, that is incompetence. If they locked the shares and did not make any promise at all and just said sometime in September they'd be hashing, that would have been better. They went with specific dates and time.
692  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 03:26:08 PM
A) Shares have been sold by the Labcoin development team
More FUD, or at best stating opinion as if it were fact. If you have proof that Labcoin have sold a single share, as oppose to 15% of their shares just being held in the accounts of other insiders like Burnside said, please present it.

Okay that is possible too. But all of these activities to decrease transparency is what fuels uncertainty, risk, and FUD. You have no way to prove either way because it's 50/50.

If the shares were locked we would know for certain. So why didn't they let Burnside lock the shares? What are they planning to do?
693  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 03:16:47 PM
LC's main objective isn't to appease us, it's to get kit on line. Sit back relax and watch the waves...
Do you know what their objective is?
Do they have any incentive to care about the stock price? How do you know they'll ever pay dividends if they don't pay it today? The probabilities of it being a scam begin to increase when you gather new bits of evidence and combine it all to form a picture.

A) Shares have been sold by the Labcoin development team and it's not locked.
B) The Labcoin team has been shown to use deception and dishonesty against the shareholders whether deliberately or not by making promises and not keeping them, and by putting up images that don't look real and claiming to be hashing without providing evidence.

Now we also know they haven't sold all their shares so that is on the plus side of the evidence. We also know they do have the money but are still communicating here, this is neutral evidence because we don't know their intentions.

If it's a complete scam they probably would just stop communicating and disappear. The longer the disappearance the more likely it would be to be a scam so if they claim they wont update until October then you gotta worry a lot. If they do frequent updates then you have less to worry about.

At this point we don't know what they are going to do. It could be a scam, or not. It's possible they are having difficulties with their deployment, that is a real possibility.  Whether people should buy, sell or hold should depend on which of these possibilities they think is most likely.

So you think it's most likely that they are a scam? Sell. You think it's more likely that they are having deployment issues? Hold. You think it's a scam but that they aren't going to dump until the price rises significantly? Hold.

Notice I don't recommend anyone buy?
694  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 02:39:37 PM
Labcoin just came online...
Labcoin: What is the reason for the drop from the original estimate of 6Th/s to 3-4Th/s to now 2Th/s for this initial batch? Is there a problem with heat?

Not really a drop to 2 TH, this is roughly the speed we're mining at now, it will reach 4 TH next monday. The drop  was from 6 to 4 TH and was caused by some underperforming part of the batch.

when do we expect a dividend? somewhere this week?

So 2 weeks till we start seeing divs?

First dividend payment is due  on tuesday 17 September
695  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 02:37:06 PM
First dividend payment is due  on tuesday 17 September

we'll just add this to the growing list of broken promises and missed deadlines.

but wait, Labcon will come on in a few hours and say "Dividends have been postponed due to tweaking.  We will send them when we have time, in two weeks, mid october, christmas, valentine's day, next update, tomorrow, or soon.  Buy cheap shares."

What do they gain at this point telling anyone to buy shares? They got all the money they need. They don't get any extra money telling anyone to buy shares.

Isn't it suspect that they wouldn't allow their 30% shares to be locked? Is there any way to confirm that they aren't planning to pump and dump?

There's a lot of risk in this stock, apply Bayes' theorem.
696  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: MC2 ("Netcoin"): A cryptocurrency based on a hybrid PoW/PoS system on: September 17, 2013, 01:38:52 PM
Would breaking the project into stages help with development?
It may not be realistic to expect developers to commit to a long term project.

Netcoin has a number of independent features.
They don't have to all be implemented at once.
They could be broken up into a series of short-term projects with readily obtainable endpoints.

What if we released many separate altcoins as described below:

1a) Acoin = Coin with feature A implemented
1b) Bcoin = Coin with feature B implemented
...
1f) Fcoin = Coin with feature F implemented
2ab) ABcoin = Coin with feature A and feature B implemented
3abc) ABCcoin = Coin with feature A and feature B and feature C implemented

...
X) ABCDEF...Coin with all desired features implemented
 
The releases would be obtainable milestones for the larger project (ABCDEF..).
Just a single tangible release would do a lot to attract developer interest.
We could partially grandfather in the existing owners of previous editions via premine, providing an
incentive to invest in the projects' early stages.
e.g. 10% of AB coin goes to owners of A coin, 10% of B coin goes to owners of B coin, and 80% is generated by new miners.

Do we have at least one developer who is interested in actually working on this?


Set it up where there are milestones. Set a list of priorities and fund development according to those priorities.

Adding a bunch of altcoins will just generate confusion though. Have Netcoin be the umbrella project which the subprojects are under and in my opinion let Netcoin be the only altcoin, unless you're talking about a testnet or simulation.

I think if you have enough funding its not hard to get developer interest. Its hard when you only have a blueprint because no one wants to be the developer to start the process.
697  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 17, 2013, 01:07:05 PM
I looked through the blockchain again.  I found 1JaepCfDnErPTPA96HJr7kfHZXLsN4asmH, didn't have any action until 9/13, and received rewards from unsigned blocks.  10 of them. It also received 99 btc from other addresses as well. So while it would certainly be nice if that was Labcoin's mining address I think it's pretty unlikely, unless they're up to 10-20TH/s instead of 2-4.

The only other potential candidates are 1KywcahPaHBDiMMTyqb1rC8wUiyb9b58pY and 13XXJSCf5iUMtS8HtGAgzwXWeqYWXwQRSh  Except they both have "/P2SH/" in their signature, which there's no reason for labcoin to do.

So, for now it seems like 1NBDEAYH49tZvFMJ95oa4kYrqgecgnc16C is the most plausable candidate.  

If they haven't found a block by now, they are having extremely bad luck, either in terms of hardware or just bad luck in general. Or they took my (and everyone else's) advice and switched to pooled mining.

Oh, from IRC:

Quote
[07:27] == SeenBot [~SeenBot@irc.radiumsoup.com] has joined #labcoin
[07:27] <radiumsoup> !seen
[07:27] <SeenBot> User Labcoin is offline at bitcointalk.org, last seen 47 minutes, 3 seconds ago
[07:27] <SeenBot> User TheSwede75 is offline at bitcointalk.org, last seen 7 hours, 17 minutes, 39 seconds ago
[07:27] <radiumsoup> !hashrate
[07:27] <SeenBot> Labcoin says: "Don't want to cause trouble, hashrate photo will be posted later."

It's probably a scam. Still if you got in at the IPO you could have got a decent profit. Anyone who got in later, you'll have to sell out at 0.003. Labcoin will not survive as a security if they don't send out dividends or post their address today.

No one knows for sure who Sam Noi is. No one knows for sure if Labcoin is mining. No one knows for sure if the chips work. No one knows anything for sure about Labcoin except Labcoin itself and they aren't talking. There are other IPOs happening, why put all your chips in this? Take your profit and run.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Pirateat40
698  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 16, 2013, 07:31:10 PM
you're all a bunch of nutcases

Do you notice its the same 3-4 guys posting the same stuff to try to pump the stock? Do you also notice that it's only pumped up on btc.co? It's not pumped up anywhere else.

So that shows me it's artificial.
699  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 16, 2013, 12:29:07 PM
Both Cyprus and banking business are so foreign to me. Therefore, I really hesitate in investing in that stock. How mining works is much easier to understand compared with that.

It pays quarterly dividends so you're not getting a lot of dividends out of it but if it works then it will be huge.
700  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 15, 2013, 09:09:10 PM

I thinks it's time to look at some numbers again.

Let's assume that Labcoin was mining with 500 Th/s at the end of the year, if the network hash rate was:

  • 50.000 Ph/s, Labcoin would control 01% of the network.
  • 25.000 Ph/s, Labcoin would control 02% of the network.
  • 16.667 Ph/s, Labcoin would control 03% of the network.
  • 12.500 Ph/s, Labcoin would control 04% of the network.
  • 10.000 Ph/s, Labcoin would control 05% of the network.
  • 08.333 Ph/s, Labcoin would control 06% of the network.
  • 07.143 Ph/s, Labcoin would control 07% of the network.
  • 06.250 Ph/s, Labcoin would control 08% of the network.
  • 05.556 Ph/s, Labcoin would control 09% of the network.
  • 05.000 Ph/s, Labcoin would control 10% of the network.

BTC/Block = 25
Blocks/Round = 2,016
BTC/Round = 50,400

If Labcoin controlled:

  • 01%, they would mine 504 BTC per difficulty round, 352.8 BTC (70%) going towards dividends giving 0.00003528 BTC/share/round.
  • 02%, they would mine 1,008 BTC per difficulty round, 705.6 BTC (70%) going towards dividends giving 0.00007056 BTC per share per round.
  • 03%, they would mine 1,512 BTC per difficulty round, 1,058.4 BTC (70%) going towards dividends giving 0.00010584 BTC per share per round.
  • 04%, they would mine 2,016 BTC per difficulty round, 1,411.2 BTC (70%) going towards dividends giving 0.00014112 BTC per share per round.
  • 05%, they would mine 2,520 BTC per difficulty round, 1,764.0 BTC (70%) going towards dividends giving 0.00017640 BTC per share per round.
  • 06%, they would mine 3,024 BTC per difficulty round, 2,116.8 BTC (70%) going towards dividends giving 0.00021168 BTC per share per round.
  • 07%, they would mine 3,528 BTC per difficulty round, 2,469.6 BTC (70%) going towards dividends giving 0.00024696 BTC per share per round.
  • 08%, they would mine 4,032 BTC per difficulty round, 2,822.4 BTC (70%) going towards dividends giving 0.00028224 BTC per share per round.
  • 09%, they would mine 4,536 BTC per difficulty round, 3,175.2 BTC (70%) going towards dividends giving 0.00031752 BTC per share per round.
  • 10%, they would mine 5,040 BTC per difficulty round, 3,528.0 BTC (70%) going towards dividends giving 0.00035280 BTC per share per round.




Trying to pump up the price above 0.03 so you can dump? A lot of people purchased at a high price and need to get it back up there to dump their shares because they know the time to get out is now.
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