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Author Topic: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press?  (Read 5514 times)
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August 28, 2015, 08:34:42 AM
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Reading this, it looks like that the zerotime/0-confirmation has been
discussed alreadyin  some other thread. Could someone please give
me a link, because it's hard to search for anything here.

Couple of months ago I looked into this and thought it
was very promising idea, if I understood correctly PoS timestamps
were used to filter transactions that were not eligible for block
inclusion.

I'm very interested to know what you expert devs found to
criticize about john-connor's code (apart from the copyright issue,
which is not the point here)

Analysing the code to find the weakness in the 0 confirmation transactions implementation or the resolution of double spending is a time consuming work.

For others coins, the communauty/dev team have paid for expert review.
Even trying to do a double spending take a lot of ressources.
At least, to motivate experts to review the code, vnl team should provide substantial elements to back-up the claims.


I'm eager to hear who XMR paid for their review. Oh they didn't have to... they just forked BCN/CN and called it a day.
At least one : Kristov Atlas
https://twitter.com/kristovatlas/status/489075106388246528
and probably this too : https://cryptonote.org/news/2014/7/15/cryptonote-whitepaper-review-by-monero

Even if they forked the bytecoin code, this the monero team which have paid for review, beside publishing an academic review on the subject.
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August 28, 2015, 08:52:31 AM
 #122

Reading this, it looks like that the zerotime/0-confirmation has been
discussed alreadyin  some other thread. Could someone please give
me a link, because it's hard to search for anything here.

Couple of months ago I looked into this and thought it
was very promising idea, if I understood correctly PoS timestamps
were used to filter transactions that were not eligible for block
inclusion.

I'm very interested to know what you expert devs found to
criticize about john-connor's code (apart from the copyright issue,
which is not the point here)

Analysing the code to find the weakness in the 0 confirmation transactions implementation or the resolution of double spending is a time consuming work.

For others coins, the communauty/dev team have paid for expert review.
Even trying to do a double spending take a lot of ressources.
At least, to motivate experts to review the code, vnl team should provide substantial elements to back-up the claims.


I'm eager to hear who XMR paid for their review. Oh they didn't have to... they just forked BCN/CN and called it a day.
At least one : Kristov Atlas
https://twitter.com/kristovatlas/status/489075106388246528
and probably this too : https://cryptonote.org/news/2014/7/15/cryptonote-whitepaper-review-by-monero

Even if they forked the bytecoin code, this the monero team which have paid for review, beside publishing an academic review on the subject.

Thank you for clarification, I'll take back what I wrote Smiley

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August 29, 2015, 07:07:01 PM
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Just making an observation, not a value judgement. A consequence of that free market is that people are naturally going to be (and should be) more skeptical.

Oh yes - and that shines a different light on the regulatory State! When I was younger and stupider Wink , one of the mysteries I wrestled with was: why did the financial industry become so complaisant with being regulated to the extent to which it has? Chalk my confusion up to naïveté: it's pretty obvious that, ceteris paribus, any industry would prefer less regulation (aimed at them) to more. Those stories about clever industry-employed securities lawyers engaging in a kind of arms race with the regulators by finding loopholes in the still-very-voluminous regs, of course, fed my naïveté.

The answer didn't click in until well after I read up on the history of the American stock market. In the 1960s, there was a big push to call listed stocks "The People's Capitalism." Long after I read that, the answer clicked.

A well-regulated industry is much easier to market as trustworthy. It's a powerful inducement for otherwise-skeptical people to drop their skepticism. "You see something fishy? Just call the regulators! If they see a crook, they'll crack down. Now as for us..."

Evidently I was "overtheoried"; I needed an intervention from Captain Obvious. As John Ralson Saul put it a long time ago, most-to-all businesspeople want one thing from the government: a stable market for their goods.

If accepting regulation means more stabilization through disarming healthy skepticism, they'll accept it. The ceteris really ain't paribus.






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August 29, 2015, 07:46:02 PM
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Could some one show me a unconfirmed transaction for long time ago ?
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