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August 09, 2016, 09:54:51 AM
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"Stolen under color of law"

Saying that you don't trust someone because of their behavior is completely valid.
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August 09, 2016, 02:16:40 PM
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Too bad all of the coins are going to be sold in a single block... However:

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Civil Forfeiture Action: As a matter of policy, the USMS extends
the purchase restrictions of a criminal case to any person whose
conduct gave rise to a civil forfeiture of the property or to anyone
acting in concert with or on behalf of, such a person.

I don't think you'd be able to buy some back even if your part was sold in one block (if I'm correctly understanding this). Or maybe the rule they apply to you is:

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Bitcoin Transfer. The USMS will not transfer any bitcoins until it has confirmed receipt of purchase funds from the buyer. The USMS will not transfer bitcoins to an [...] hostile to the United States
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August 09, 2016, 02:22:35 PM
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Too bad all of the coins are going to be sold in a single block... However:

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Civil Forfeiture Action: As a matter of policy, the USMS extends
the purchase restrictions of a criminal case to any person whose
conduct gave rise to a civil forfeiture of the property or to anyone
acting in concert with or on behalf of, such a person.

I don't think you'd be able to buy some back even if your part was sold in one block (if I'm correctly understanding this). Or maybe the rule they apply to you is:

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Bitcoin Transfer. The USMS will not transfer any bitcoins until it has confirmed receipt of purchase funds from the buyer. The USMS will not transfer bitcoins to an [...] hostile to the United States
All criminal charges against me were dropped.

All civil charges against the Bitcoins (and all the other seized property) were dropped.

They just kept the 186 BTC as part of their agreement to drop all criminal charges against me and all the civil charges against all the property they seized - including the Bitcoins.  So, if I had the $1.5M+ to bid on this I could.

Our family was terrorized by Homeland Security.  Read all about it here:  http://www.jmwagner.com/ and http://www.burtw.com/  Any donations to help us recover from the $300,000 in legal fees and forced donations to the Federal Asset Forfeiture slush fund are greatly appreciated!
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August 09, 2016, 03:30:30 PM
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That is really sad news. But thank god that you have not been thrown in to jail at least. You are free to stay with your family. Only your hard earned fortune is gone.

I hope you will soon recover the mental trauma of loosing so much money. Wish you best of luck brother!

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August 10, 2016, 01:13:07 AM
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This is disgusting, what else can I say. I am sorry BurtW that this has happened to you and thanks God I don't live anymore in the US, the land of free, the land of opportunity(this I say with the highest degree of irony, of course).

I hope you will get back in your feet somehow. I surely hop you are not done with Bitcoin. I also wish that you fight those a**holes with the best attorneys possible, unfortunately I don't see how this will be possible when you are essentially going against the government.

Good luck!
Yeah, I feel for him too, that just really sucks. Some people who use bitcoins use them legally so, I do not see the problem with using bitcoins.

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August 10, 2016, 08:35:31 AM
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But thank god that you have not been thrown in to jail at least.

Thank you sir ... can I please have another!!


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August 10, 2016, 08:44:05 AM
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This is so sad. I mean for starers I believe you acquired the money through hard work from posting and it is unfair that department of homeland security can take money away from a person for no reason.
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August 10, 2016, 09:17:56 AM
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Here are the 186 ($42,222.00 as of this posting) Bitcoins taken from me by Homeland Security:

https://blockchain.info/address/1Eu38i1DkRAPAJhSqbseVroJDpMRfJbAx3

I am sure you guys can come up with some creative, interesting, fun ideas to do with this information.

wow really? why did they take it?
i feel bad for op he needs help right now how did they get access
to your account op?
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August 10, 2016, 12:49:17 PM
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Here are the 186 ($42,222.00 as of this posting) Bitcoins taken from me by Homeland Security:

https://blockchain.info/address/1Eu38i1DkRAPAJhSqbseVroJDpMRfJbAx3

I am sure you guys can come up with some creative, interesting, fun ideas to do with this information.

wow really? why did they take it?
i feel bad for op he needs help right now how did they get access
to your account op?

From my infamous thread "BurtW arrested"

i doubt the government will return assets they seized .. they are probably holding the bitcoins 'in rem'

Were his Bitcoins taken? Was he somehow forced to reveal passwords?

Did they prohibit you from discussing the methods of confiscation?
On the day I was arrested at my client's office in front of my client and all my co-workers they did not have to tell me why I was being arrested - sealed arrest warrant.
That same day they searched our house and did not have to tell us what they were looking for - sealed search warrant.
After being arrested in front of my client, which was a nice touch as they immediately terminated our contract, they took me to our house.  I was taken aback by the number of cars so I made a point of counting them, 22.
The neighbors who watched the whole thing but failed to take any video (darn) counted up to 35 agents involved in the search.
They were very thorough even searching the entire attic and crawl space, every book, etc.  It took my wife weeks to get the house put back together.  Imagine up to 35 people searching you house for hours, they had the manpower and time to search just about everywhere.
During the search they got into my safe containing all of my physical Bitcoins and other Bitcoin related stuff.
Since I was not doing anything wrong I never expected to be shaken down in this way.  
My security threat profile was common burglary and my main concern was making sure my wife would be able to sell the Bitcoins in the event of my death.  So, the the vast majority of my Bitcoins were kept in a Trezor Bitcoin safe with the seed words kept off-site.
After searching my house for many hours and not finding what they were looking for, but taking every computer and electronic memory device they could get their hands on, they phoned in a search warrant for my office, which was granted.
Upon searching my office they found my off-site paper backup of the seed words for the Trezor which were there with retrieval instruction in the case of my death.  They took all of our corporate computers and left.
The rest is, as they say, history.

Food for thought:  my attorney informed me that they can and sometime do put people in jail until they turn over a password.  So in reality your passwords are only as safe as your willingness to spend time in jail over them.  After spending 3 days and 2 nights in solitary confinement (in the SHU at the federal detention center) I can tell you that most people will crack in pretty short order.  It is boring beyond comprehension.

Part of the total cost shown on my wife's web site ($284,373.00) was the cost of replacing all of the computers and cell phones we needed in order for our business to keep operating.  Of course once we get all the computers back we will then have more computers and phones than we know what to do with.  Anyone want to buy a used computer that was under government control for nine months?

Our family was terrorized by Homeland Security.  Read all about it here:  http://www.jmwagner.com/ and http://www.burtw.com/  Any donations to help us recover from the $300,000 in legal fees and forced donations to the Federal Asset Forfeiture slush fund are greatly appreciated!
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August 10, 2016, 01:02:41 PM
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wow this is a saddened story, i really felt for the lost..but really extra carefulness should be taken,keeping money save and secure...which could be strong security level...
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August 13, 2016, 12:00:23 PM
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What a travesty, I'm really sorry for your loss. I have to echo many posts here and say i'm so glad i'm not in America and these rediculous cases are few and far between in Europe.
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August 14, 2016, 05:58:56 AM
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This is confusingly agitating since this has been a ridiculous case (or I may be just confused). I do not have much knowledge on laws and stuff, especially in America, but from what I read, bitcoin has already been considered a 'money transfer business' instead of a virtual proprietary or something.

I'm sorry to hear your loss. It broke my heart that you still have a young daughter to take care of and they would just seize a majority of your asset.
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