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December 14, 2017, 10:22:12 PM
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Personally I hate money cuz it causes a lot of problems. I wish it was like hundreds years ago when people just exchanged things that they needed. It was called barter. it can eliminate the financial stratification between people. It could be the victory over poverty.
You are right, Money somtimes make you some problems with you family or even in your personal life. You wish about exchanging things at the place of money, it's impossible as i think, because now with this new technology and developpment of the world, people need money to circulate their lifes.
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December 15, 2017, 04:49:21 PM
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This is basically like:

What came first the chicken or the egg?



If demand was growing but not causing computations to get harder, fees would stay lower, and prices of bitcoin would stay lower since miners wouldn't need to recoup as much electricity losses

If demand was growing and causing the computations to get harder, fees will be higher, and prices of bitcoin will rise because miners will need more money to cover their electricity losses.



Clearly the increase of fees (aka wasting of resources) is impacting Bitcoin's price.
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December 15, 2017, 05:03:32 PM
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Personally I hate money cuz it causes a lot of problems. I wish it was like hundreds years ago when people just exchanged things that they needed. It was called barter. it can eliminate the financial stratification between people. It could be the victory over poverty.
You are right, Money somtimes make you some problems with you family or even in your personal life. You wish about exchanging things at the place of money, it's impossible as i think, because now with this new technology and developpment of the world, people need money to circulate their lifes.

Yes.If you supposed to loss your money in trading in any altcoin means, I am sure it will disturb your mind and reflect in your real life. This all cause is money.Money will be reason for your joy and happiness. So avoid of lose your money and it will make you to live a peaceful life.
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December 15, 2017, 06:53:58 PM
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Long term digital currencies will be better for the environment than physical currencies, in time we will have sustainable energy sources and the electricity usage won't matter

Agree. Several people including myself have pointed out over and over that fiat is also a waste of resources. However, crypto is not replacing that problem, it is making it DRAMATICALLY worse. In fact crypto is now 27 times more expensive than fiat to produce. And by the year 2020 crypto mining will have consumed as much electricity as the entire planet if it continues on the same path.

Of course fiat is a waste of resources. That is why we need to make a digital currency that SAVES resources. Bitcoin destroys resources


Well that's where we disagree, bitcoin is not the problem necessarily in itself, the problem is the lack of sustainable energy, if that problem is solved then suddenly bitcoin is the most environmentally friendly option by a mile. Other coins in time will move to better methods, like ETH moving to POS.

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December 15, 2017, 06:58:09 PM
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If demand was growing but not causing computations to get harder, fees would stay lower, and prices of bitcoin would stay lower since miners wouldn't need to recoup as much electricity losses

If demand was growing and causing the computations to get harder, fees will be higher, and prices of bitcoin will rise because miners will need more money to cover their electricity losses.

Incorrect.  The calculation of fees has nothing whatsoever to do with the mining difficulty (the latter of which I previously explained to you).

Imagine by analogy that there were literally a single old-fashioned paper ledger to record the financial transactions of everybody in the whole world.  The ledger has pages.  Obviously, each page has limited space for writing.  People with specialized equipment called “miners” choose the transactions to put on each page, then seal the page with a magical security stamp which makes the page impossible to change for all eternity.  Miners get paid for this service, because the magical stamp is difficult and costly to produce.  Moreover, there is a rule:  One new page is sealed every ten minutes, whether it is empty or full; and new pages can’t be filled any faster than one per ten minutes.  This rule is a property of the magical stamp which keeps everything secure.

If too many people want their transactions included in the book, then each person needs to compete with everybody else by offering the miners more money to include their transaction instead of somebody else’s.

Fees are based on simple supply and demand.  There is a certain amount of space in each block, constrained by the block weight limit as defined by BIP 141; that is a common resource, shared by everybody who uses Bitcoin.  Blocks are produced at a rate of one block every ten minutes (on average; I am intentionally oversimplifying).  Each transaction has a certain weight, based principally on its size in bytes and whether it uses Segwit.  Those weights all add up.  When there are too many transactions with too much total weight for them to all fit into a block, then people need to compete with each other on fees to entice miners to select their transactions instead of somebody else’s.

By the way, Bitcoin users can get a 75% instant discount on fees by using Segwit addresses.  Check your wallet’s documentation.  Now, see my signature; look at my address, and the adjacent note about Segwit.  If your address starts with a “1”, then you are overpaying 4× on fees!  Those who still use addresses starting with a “1” are consuming 4× the aforementioned shared resource; so it is only natural and fair, they wind up paying 4× the fees.  They should either upgrade, or shut up and quit whining about fees.

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December 15, 2017, 07:58:22 PM
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This is basically like:

What came first the chicken or the egg?
That question is philosophical.  People can give detailed explanations of their views on it, but they can't offer an objective answer that covers all possible scenarios.

In this case though, it's not at all subjective.  You are using the relativist fallacy to suggest that your view is somehow equally valid, but it's not - it is simply one person who is aware of at least the most basic information about how Bitcoin works (me) and one person who is not aware (you).

The code is open source.  If you really doubt me or nullius, please read.

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December 22, 2017, 08:05:18 PM
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The reason we need money is to have a medium to exchange goods and services for each other. Money is the way we divide the world's resources.

What is money?
Money is a FUTURE claim on services or goods. It represents an amount of goods one is entitled to collect on


Now lets think about how this differs from crypto currency

The reason we need crypto is to exchange goods and services for each other using a digital medium and to provide it in a decentralized but secure way.


What is crypto?
Crytpo is a PAST claim on services or goods. It represents an amount of goods or services that one has already used



Here is what I mean by the difference between a future and a past claim on goods or services. Money is a future claim on the world's resources (including labor and services). You can use that money at a future point to collect in on what you are 'owed'. This differs dramatically from crypto. Crypto is actually a past claim on services or goods, because it cannot be earned without destroying resources. The value of crypto comes from the fact that electricity, man hours, and hardware are destroyed in order to create. We are essentially destroying resources in order to make a medium that will allow us to divide the rest of the resources up. Instead we should be earning currency based on the good things we do and the resources we protect. We should be incentivized to save the world, not destroy it.

I think the process of adopting crypto is too much of a sacrifice when it comes to resources. The very things we are trying to divide up we are destroying. We arguably need money to divide the resources, but we don't need to destroy resources just to make the money
Well, you do have a point and you did type all that stuff...Bitcoin is mainly a barter system that can be a little bit more reliable to use compared to most things out there when trying to pay for something online.

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December 22, 2017, 10:12:48 PM
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Omfg you really are clueless aren't you? This reminds me of the same people who say buying high powered sports cars is a waste because you could have fed so many families with that money. Lol wow. Did you ever think of all the jobs Bitcoin mining has created? Mining machines are made from resources which cones from factories where people work and see employed so they can feed there family making tin and other metaos needed for mining rigs. Then we have the software Devs who make money designing how the mining rigs work. Then we get the miners themselves the people who out the rigs together, the Courier when we spoke paid to deliver it. 

How is creating jobs a waste of resources? He eose do you think transactions will be processed? Do you think you'll ur bank hasn't got their own servers that use electricity too? Or do you think banks are magical things that have transactions handled by floating pixies. It is all relative.

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January 11, 2018, 08:50:29 PM
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Money is still the mainstream currency in the world which is why it is vital. Cryptocurrency is on the rise but at the moment its power stays online.
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