[WARNING] BitPay pocketing over $1000 from me.

[CaliforniaLawyer]

 I appreciate the issue you are describing with BitPay, but I'd have been just this side of enraged at Amagi if I bought $80 face value of silver, paid for it, but got $10 face value in the mail.

What was Amagi's excuse for reneging on the sale? Seems shady...

[Bitcoin Scammer]

Keeping tabs on this thread.

[iASIC]

I appreciate the issue you are describing with BitPay, but I'd have been just this side of enraged at Amagi if I bought $80 face value of silver, paid for it, but got $10 face value in the mail.

What was Amagi's excuse for reneging on the sale? Seems shady...

says it was a shipping error.

They said they could send the remaining but I thought I'd get my 4 BTC back.

[jl2012]

Search "refund" at https://bitpay.com/terms . I think it is up to the merchant

[TheButterZone]

Somewhat related, I sent some BTC to Namecheap via Bitpay, and Namecheap refuses to send the converted USD credit remainder (IIRC, after I transferred/renewed domains at a promo rate, and was blocked from any more years) on my account back to me via PayPal. They can do that for affiliates, but not for BTC-paying customers? Ridic.

[sangaman]

I think refunding based on the USD exchange rate makes sense and it's ultimately up to the merchant anyway, bitpay is just a middle man. If they do refunds in btc, then they open the door to being exploited. You could buy something for 10 btc and then, if btc value doubles, return it for 10 btc and then buy that thing again for 5 btc. For this reason alone it makes sense that refunds are provided based on current prices. The only exception would be if a company's prices in bitcoin do not depend on the btc/usd exchange rate, but that is understandably rare.

Why don't they just ship you the remaining silver that you're missing from your original order?

[Bogart]

What was the listed sale price of the silver you bought?  Was it $1400, or was it 4.3 BTC?

You can only expect a refund of the sale price.  It doesn't matter if you paid in some other currency (BTC, Euros, Yen, whatever) which was converted by a third party payment processor.

[iASIC]

What was the listed sale price of the silver you bought?  Was it $1400, or was it 4.3 BTC?

You can only expect a refund of the sale price.  It doesn't matter if you paid in some other currency (BTC, Euros, Yen, whatever) which was converted by a third party payment processor.

Was listed as USD, but I haven't got a verifiable reason from BitPay as to why they cannot refund what I paid.

Currency or not, it's bullshit.

[iASIC]

Still no reply from Tony, nor any support of BitPay.
Should I re post this on Reddit?

[redtwitz]

I have seen this before the last time BITcoin shot up in price everyone wanted  a slice of the pie.   Sorry for the loss

Trust me I'll do my best to make this not a loss.

People on Reddit were telling me BitPay converts the BTC to cash for the vendors, but that doesn't mean they still have all the BTC(They do)

Of course they might still have your BTC, but what does that have to do with anything? They received BTC and sent USD. Whether those BTC were yours or not is rather irrelevant. It's also unlikely, since exchanging them would require waiting for two transactions to confirm, and payments via BitPay are instantaneous.

You bought an item listed in USD. Instead of exchanging your BTC for USD and then paying with USD using either an online service or the banking system, you used BitPay to eliminate a few additional, time consuming and potentially expensive steps. Without BitPay, you'd get your refund in USD as well.

Think about it:

You buy an item worth 1,000 USD from a seller while the BTC/USD exchange rate is at 500, so you send 2 BTC to Bitpay and the seller receives 1000 USD. Shortly after paying, the exchange rate climbs to 1,000. If it was up to you, you'd immediately demand a refund, the seller would returns 1,000 USD to Bitpay and Bitpay would return 2 BTC to you.

What prevents somebody from sending 1,000 or 10,000 or even 100,000 USD worth of BTC to either a friend or himself when the course is highly volatile, demand a refund if the exchange rate rises and keep the USD if it falls? It's essentially a sell with a buy-back option. Neither BitPay nor anybody else is going to offer that.

[iASIC]

I have seen this before the last time BITcoin shot up in price everyone wanted  a slice of the pie.   Sorry for the loss

Trust me I'll do my best to make this not a loss.

People on Reddit were telling me BitPay converts the BTC to cash for the vendors, but that doesn't mean they still have all the BTC(They do)

Of course they might still have your BTC, but what does that have to do with anything? They received BTC and sent USD. Whether those BTC were yours or not is rather irrelevant. It's also unlikely, since exchanging them would require waiting for two transactions to confirm, and payments via BitPay are instantaneous.

You bought an item listed in USD. Instead of exchanging your BTC for USD and then paying with USD using either an online service or the banking system, you used BitPay to eliminate a few additional, time consuming and potentially expensive steps. Without BitPay, you'd get your refund in USD as well.

Think about it:

You buy an item worth 1,000 USD from a seller while the BTC/USD exchange rate is at 500, so you send 2 BTC to Bitpay and the seller receives 1000 USD. Shortly after paying, the exchange rate climbs to 1,000. If it was up to you, you'd immediately demand a refund, the seller would returns 1,000 USD to Bitpay and Bitpay would return 2 BTC to you.

What prevents somebody from sending 1,000 or 10,000 or even 100,000 USD worth of BTC to either a friend or himself when the course is highly volatile, demand a refund if the exchange rate rises and keep the USD if it falls? It's essentially a sell with a buy-back option. Neither BitPay nor anybody else is going to offer that.

I know but you pay in btc, you should get it refunded.

[Bitcoin Scammer]

You would think but not during times when the BTC is at $900+   lol  The profit is too huge when they are sitting there and they are just staring at the profit they made on the currency jump.

I have seen this before the last time BITcoin shot up in price everyone wanted  a slice of the pie.   Sorry for the loss

Trust me I'll do my best to make this not a loss.

People on Reddit were telling me BitPay converts the BTC to cash for the vendors, but that doesn't mean they still have all the BTC(They do)

Of course they might still have your BTC, but what does that have to do with anything? They received BTC and sent USD. Whether those BTC were yours or not is rather irrelevant. It's also unlikely, since exchanging them would require waiting for two transactions to confirm, and payments via BitPay are instantaneous.

You bought an item listed in USD. Instead of exchanging your BTC for USD and then paying with USD using either an online service or the banking system, you used BitPay to eliminate a few additional, time consuming and potentially expensive steps. Without BitPay, you'd get your refund in USD as well.

Think about it:

You buy an item worth 1,000 USD from a seller while the BTC/USD exchange rate is at 500, so you send 2 BTC to Bitpay and the seller receives 1000 USD. Shortly after paying, the exchange rate climbs to 1,000. If it was up to you, you'd immediately demand a refund, the seller would returns 1,000 USD to Bitpay and Bitpay would return 2 BTC to you.

What prevents somebody from sending 1,000 or 10,000 or even 100,000 USD worth of BTC to either a friend or himself when the course is highly volatile, demand a refund if the exchange rate rises and keep the USD if it falls? It's essentially a sell with a buy-back option. Neither BitPay nor anybody else is going to offer that.

I know but you pay in btc, you should get it refunded.

[ninjaboon]

Still no reply from Tony, nor any support of BitPay.
Should I re post this on Reddit?

I know some people from BitPay, PM me if you need help.