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March 08, 2014, 05:59:57 AM
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Well first of all it matters to him! His life as he knew it is ruined and he must have feared this day coming! Sad

Secondly, I think it will matter to us soon as well!

How long before he is subpoenaed and forced to tell the truth, or risk a long prison sentence?

That day will indeed be a very sad day for Bitcoin. I suspect that he will denounce the way that Bitcoin has developed and if that were to happen the authorities (and the world) will take that as a green light to simply make it illegal.

Remember that he was strongly opposed to Bitcoin even being used for donations to Wikileaks, and that was the time he left the forum and Bitcoin for good. Sad

Or was it Gavin's visit to the CIA or health problems or a recognition that his influence was shrinking as things picked up steam or did he get more interested in turning a wheel for a model train?  Or some combination.  Whether Dorian is Satoshi or not, he probably did have at least a working familiarity with the inteligence apparatus of the U.S.

Yeah his life is totally ruined.  He's been reduced to a samurai legend with a massive fortune who will be written into the history books.

LOL!  Whoever Satoshi is he probably knew what he was doing and had at least a strong sense that he was playing with fire.  Nowhere is it more fitting then here to use the phrase "If you cannot stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen."  I guess he considered it and did vacate the kitchen.

I'll bet that the NSA has known who Satoshi is even before the Wikilieaks thing, and certainly they did afterwards.  And that Satoshi was fully aware of this.  Only a fool would believe that doing an end-run around the efforts to get PayPal and Visa to prostitute themselves for Uncle Sam would bring significant scrutiny.  Whatever Satoshi felt about Wikileaks he certainly seemed to recognize this.  He was probably as amazed as I was that the solution survived given the relatively early stage of it's development and the dismal level of stress-testing and QA that the community tends to muster.


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March 08, 2014, 06:03:24 AM
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Well first of all it matters to him! His life as he knew it is ruined and he must have feared this day coming! Sad

Secondly, I think it will matter to us soon as well!

How long before he is subpoenaed and forced to tell the truth, or risk a long prison sentence?

That day will indeed be a very sad day for Bitcoin. I suspect that he will denounce the way that Bitcoin has developed and if that were to happen the authorities (and the world) will take that as a green light to simply make it illegal.

Remember that he was strongly opposed to Bitcoin even being used for donations to Wikileaks, and that was the time he left the forum and Bitcoin for good. Sad

Or was it Gavin's visit to the CIA or health problems or a recognition that his influence was shrinking as things picked up steam or did he get more interested in turning a wheel for a model train?  Or some combination.  Whether Dorian is Satoshi or not, he probably did have at least a working familiarity with the inteligence apparatus of the U.S.

Yeah his life is totally ruined.  He's been reduced to a samurai legend with a massive fortune who will be written into the history books.

LOL!  Whoever Satoshi is he probably knew what he was doing and had at least a strong sense that he was playing with fire.  Nowhere is it more fitting then here to use the phrase "If you cannot stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen."  I guess he considered it and did vacate the kitchen.

I'll bet that the NSA has known who Satoshi is even before the Wikilieaks thing, and certainly they did afterwards.  And that Satoshi was fully aware of this.  Only a fool would believe that doing an end-run around the efforts to get PayPal and Visa to prostitute themselves for Uncle Sam would bring significant scrutiny.  Whatever Satoshi felt about Wikileaks he certainly seemed to recognize this.  He was probably as amazed as I was that the solution survived given the relatively early stage of it's development and the dismal level of stress-testing and QA that the community tends to muster.



Agreed. The Wikileaks thing was probably his "this shit is getting cray" moment.  No way someone would predict their little isolated academic experiment would blow up like that.
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March 08, 2014, 06:07:02 AM
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He's a grown-ass man and a genius I'm sure he can handle some media attention.

I love to think of him like that too, just like in this picture!  Grin

http://imageupper.com/i/?S0400010090011T13942577991592644

But unfortunately when seeing him in that video interview, what I see is haunted frightened man who will probably not defend Bitcoin like the bad-ass we hope will be. Sad

He needs to feel our support. Knowing that you have a million+ people behind you that consider you their "hero genius", and will do everything they can do protect you can hopefully make the coming weeks/months ahead easier for him to cope with, but most people here still don't believe he is our Satoshi.
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March 08, 2014, 06:07:06 AM
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Does it REALLY matter at this point?

Look, I don't think Dorian is The One, but if he is, then he's just about what I thought he would be like: A badass. And since there's really no reason to believe its Dorian above anyone else, so long as he doesn't want to reveal anything, for all intents and purposes he's still anonymous. So, really nothing has changed, no matter how you look at it.

Well first of all it matters to him! His life as he knew it is ruined and he must have feared this day coming! Sad
He feared what exactly? That reporters were going to come to his house for a few days, and he was going to have to say he isn't the satoshi, and then they were going to have to be like "do you have proof?" and then he's going to have to be like "no" and then... yeah? The real satoshi nakamoto is one of the hundreds of people who might be satoshi nakamoto. I don't see any of the other maybe-satoshi-nakamotos running around having such a terrible life. [/quote]

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How long before he is subpoenaed and forced to tell the truth
Subpoenaed for what? Coding software? And then what, he comes to court "Hi, my name is Satoshi Nakamoto and I didn't code bitcoin". Then what? "But your name is Satoshi Nakamoto and you know how to code?" Seriously. There is more evidence that Max Keiser is the real Satoshi over this dude.

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or risk a long prison sentence?
Once again, for what, and how exactly does one prove this?

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That day will indeed be a very sad day for Bitcoin. I suspect that he will have a lot of negative things to say about how Bitcoin has developed and is being used. If that were to happen the authorities (and the world) will use any negative comments from him as an excuse to simply make it illegal.
Because once you release something in the public domain you can say "nvm" and now its illegal. And, because some reason he'd want to do it now, when he has millions of dollars worth of them stored up.

Seriously what you're saying makes negative sense. Whether he is or is not Satoshi doesn't matter, because we won't know whether or not he's Satoshi, and if we dont, then nothing has changed.

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March 08, 2014, 06:44:19 AM
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He feared what exactly? That reporters were going to come to his house for a few days, and he was going to have to say he isn't the satoshi, and then they were going to have to be like "do you have proof?" and then he's going to have to be like "no" and then... yeah?

It may be hard to understand the fear of being "outed" like that for someone who is not overly concerned about privacy. However, I can understand those feelings and I believe they are very strong in Satoshi, and they are not only related to the NSA and CSI etc., even if that is a big part of it.

I believe he is a man that would rather just keep a low profile and communicate with people on his own terms. The possibility of being forced to answer questions and come under the spotlight might cause him huge stress. Think of Howard Hughes.  Undecided

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The real satoshi nakamoto is one of the hundreds of people who might be satoshi nakamoto.

Until today yes it could have been one of hundreds, but now the world knows (or at least believes) that this is the Satoshi.

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I don't see any of the other maybe-satoshi-nakamotos running around having such a terrible life

Because they aren't the real Satoshi they were probably just flattered by the idea that they were considered a candidate.

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Subpoenaed for what? Coding software? And then what, he comes to court "Hi, my name is Satoshi Nakamoto and I didn't code bitcoin". Then what? "But your name is Satoshi Nakamoto and you know how to code?" Seriously. There is more evidence that Max Keiser is the real Satoshi over this dude.

If that is the route things end up going, which I believe it will, then it won't be as easy as saying: "Nah, it's not me" any longer, because as tvbcof pointed out most likely the NSA may already have been aware that he is the Bitcoin creator. Lying and saying that he knows nothing about it in those circumstances will carry serious risk.

I'll bet that the NSA has known who Satoshi is even before the Wikilieaks thing, and certainly they did afterwards.  And that Satoshi was fully aware of this.  

Even in the event that they didn't already know, by now it will be easy for them to find out when they have a clear well defined target to research.

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"Or risk a long prison sentence"
Once again, for what, and how exactly does one prove this?

For perjury.

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Seriously what you're saying makes negative sense. Whether he is or is not Satoshi doesn't matter, because we won't know whether or not he's Satoshi, and if we dont, then nothing has changed.

I hope you are right, but I'm afraid that there will soon be some politician or government agency out on a "power trip" and they will subpoena him to some sort of hearing, and then he has nowhere to go. Satoshi knew that and that is one of reasons why he feared when this day would come. Sad
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March 08, 2014, 07:09:51 AM
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I can't believe all this idiotic talk!!!

So, what people believe is that Satoshi went to every length to hide his identity, but used his real name!!!! Jesus!!

What do you people have inside your head?  Roll Eyes

Many people who have a general interest in privacy do some simple stuff to protect it, but don't go overboard since it is damn difficult and tedious to be rigorous in this way.  Trying to put myself in 'the real Satoshi's situation working on a distributed crypto-currency solution (which was not a completely novel thing) back in the mid 2000s, I could imagine hoping that the solution would take off and anticipating it as a distant possibility, but not really expecting it.  Using something other than one's formal legal name would be plenty good for general privacy against google-fu masters, and most people who have been paying attention recognize the difficulty in achieving privacy against the internal security apparatus of the U.S. and won't bother to even attempt it.

It is also worth considering that just as Gavin knows relatively little about Satoshi, Satoshi probably knows relatively little about Gavin.  I could imagine him being a bit miffed about the CIA meeting (though I didn't consider it a real big deal myself.)  If Dorian is Satoshi, then he was also dealing with cancer and a stroke and he would certainly be analytical enough to recognize that the snowball had already started rolling down the hill by 2011 and there was little he could do to influence it even if he wished to.  That would be sufficient to explain both why he would walk away, and also why he didn't really care that much about money which he didn't really need to maintain the lifestyle which probably suited him fine.

Some people can derive enough pleasure from an achievement such as Bitcoin without needing or desiring personal credit.  Just as some people are content driving an old Toyota and would actually prefer it to a new Porche.  This may be hard for some people, and especially younger people, to understand but I can assure the reader that people such as this exist.

This ^^^ exactly.

It's easy for everyone to comment on "how stupid it would have been to use his real last name if he wanted privacy", but this is in hind sight!

Going back a few years Bitcoin was just an idea and a hobby project. There was no reason for Satoshi to worry about his privacy until the time people started to use Bitcoin for things that would draw attention, like donating to Wikileaks for example. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2216.msg29280#msg29280  

This was also the time he decided to leave the forum and Bitcoin behind because he knew it was going to get a lot of unwanted attention from people he didn't want to deal with, like that sleazy reporter who decided to hang him out.  Angry

Exactly. Satoshi using his real name seems crazy from todays perspective. Couple years ago, providing nobody would knew which of the many Satoshi Nakamoto's he is and where he lives should give he complete privacy. I am sure he never expected this guru/founder/demi-god status he so rapidly achieved Wink
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March 08, 2014, 07:19:14 AM
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We need  a therapist/ analyst who can tell whether he's lying or not.

You mean an analrapist?
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March 08, 2014, 08:54:38 AM
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leah wrote all this?

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March 08, 2014, 08:55:46 AM
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hook him up to a lie detector!
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March 08, 2014, 09:00:57 AM
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hook him up to a lie detector!

which is proven to be flaw. Hence court dont use it.
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