scam scare

[suchmoon]

Yes i message him after he message me. That includes Warum (client). If you mean if this msg send by me, no i didnt send any msg like this one.

So you're basically saying that DireWolfM14 doctored the chat logs? I just want you to be absolutely clear about it.

[DireWolfM14]

I did but i don't see pics or the msgs itself. Can you make a pic of the msg that i say to you to send me the funds first?

Interesting, all of the sudden both accounts seem to have been deleted.

[condoras]

Yes i message him after he message me. That includes Warum (client). If you mean if this msg send by me, no i didnt send any msg like this one.

So you're basically saying that DireWolfM14 doctored the chat logs? I just want you to be absolutely clear about it.

First of all idk a thing about any kind of teck in this, so i dont know what "doctored" means...
Secondly my time zone and IP etc can easily verified so we can see what time i suppose to send him any msg, since i was not in a PC or in any internet point.
Finaly i repeat that i never send any msg to DW regarding sending me any kind of funds and so i NEVER msg him ANY address of mine.
I insisting to check the name of the guy who send to DW the msg with "my" addy and the words that i want him to send me any funds. Any change in that username/ profile will clear the case.

I think i'm clear enough.

[condoras]

I did but i don't see pics or the msgs itself. Can you make a pic of the msg that i say to you to send me the funds first?

Interesting, all of the sudden both accounts seem to have been deleted.

Still though, my real account remains and you can send him a msg now...

It's more than clear that someone use my username which can be done, in order to scam you and accuse me.

EDIT: So can you please remove the false neg?! Omg man, you can't see your own image? My account is STILL active...

[condoras]

Ok, as you wish. I strongly advice you to know better before accusing someone and at least, learn how to verify people on TG.

[suchmoon]

First of all idk a thing about any kind of teck in this, so i dont know what "doctored" means...
Secondly my time zone and IP etc can easily verified so we can see what time i suppose to send him any msg, since i was not in a PC or in any internet point.
Finaly i repeat that i never send any msg to DW regarding sending me any kind of funds and so i NEVER msg him ANY address of mine.
I insisting to check the name of the guy who send to DW the msg with "my" addy and the words that i want him to send me any funds. Any change in that username/ profile will clear the case.

I think i'm clear enough.

We can't really verify any IPs or timezones here and that wouldn't prove anything anyway.

The best I can figure out from your explanation is that you're claiming that the person in the group chat is not you. How did that person know everything about the deal?

And who is the "client"?

[condoras]

First of all idk a thing about any kind of teck in this, so i dont know what "doctored" means...
Secondly my time zone and IP etc can easily verified so we can see what time i suppose to send him any msg, since i was not in a PC or in any internet point.
Finaly i repeat that i never send any msg to DW regarding sending me any kind of funds and so i NEVER msg him ANY address of mine.
I insisting to check the name of the guy who send to DW the msg with "my" addy and the words that i want him to send me any funds. Any change in that username/ profile will clear the case.

I think i'm clear enough.

We can't really verify any IPs or timezones here and that wouldn't prove anything anyway.

The best I can figure out from your explanation is that you're claiming that the person in the group chat is not you. How did that person know everything about the deal?

And who is the "client"?

I'm just saying that you can check the log files of my real account there and see if i was on the time that DW gets the msgs and create a NEW chat with these guys.
As i said earlier, because it happen again in the past some scammers to try and "copy cat" lenders around here in TG, i'm most that certain that those guys try to scam DW.
Btw if an account is deleted from a chat, is deleted from everywhere and my account is still on his list, plus the chat that i create....

Idk who is he, only the username "Warum".

[LoyceV]

@DireWolfM14: is it possible someone was impersonating condoras? There's never been a verified signed message proving it's the real person.
Also: the Zip files contain many files, but Google Drive doesn't let me open messages.html. Can you upload it as text only somewhere?

@condoras: I disagree with (negative) retaliation feedback. Please reconsider, this is not helping your case, and can only lead to you being excluded from DT.
Also: your explanation is a bit chaotic, which doesn't help your case either.
And: check https://bitcointalk.org/myips.php, see if someone else has accessed your account.

[condoras]

@DireWolfM14: is it possible someone was impersonating condoras? There's never been a verified signed message proving it's the real person.
Also: the Zip files contain many files, but Google Drive doesn't let me open messages.html. Can you upload it as text only somewhere?

@condoras: I disagree with (negative) retaliation feedback. Please reconsider, this is not helping your case, and can only lead to you being excluded from DT.
Also: your explanation is a bit chaotic, which doesn't help your case either.
And: check https://bitcointalk.org/myips.php, see if someone else has accessed your account.

I also disagree with accusing me based on false or misunderstood things and call them evidence. There is no retaliation here, i will remove it when he removes it.
Besides if he see it, maybe he can see and his mistake. Also there is no case since he post the pics, it's perfectly clear, at least to my eyes.
They try firstly with DW, it could be easy being me their first choise to try and scam. As i said it's been done in the past.
You can understand though that i cannot let DW to mark me based on false things...

Can you tell me what from my story is chaotic? What thing is uncleared?

EDIT: Noone access my account besides me. All these years is only me and me alone. You can also check my TG, a lot people here can.

EDIT2: Negative feedback removed.

[DireWolfM14]

@DireWolfM14: is it possible someone was impersonating condoras? There's never been a verified signed message proving it's the real person.
Also: the Zip files contain many files, but Google Drive doesn't let me open messages.html. Can you upload it as text only somewhere?

That is indeed possible.  Now that I see the account I thought was Condoras' in the second group discussion has been deleted, and the one in the first is still there (and that's the one I contacted,) it seems quite plausible.  The "Client" certainly could have started the second conversation posing as Condoras.

I will add that the account only just got deleted minutes before I posted this reply.  It leads me to suspect whoever is behind "Warum Loan Client" is here reading this topic. 

I've removed my negative tag.  I now recognize it's impossible to prove that Condoras was part of the second group discussion titled "Escrow,"  and that's where all the really shady shit happened.

Here are the discussions.  The time stamp is based on UTC -8 (Pacific Standard Time.)

First Conversation with the account I contacted:

Code:

Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
14 November 2019
12:22
Dire Wolf
Hey Condoras, how are you?
12:23
I can cover that loan, but at 120% collateral, that amounts to 0.313 BTC for 55 LTC.
12:24
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Hey man, happy to see you
12:24
120% ofc by all means
12:24
i'm talking with this guy and waiting to reply
12:24
Dire Wolf
If you want to cover part of it, and I can cover the other part we can do it that way
12:24
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
as soon as i have news from him, i will let you know
12:25
Dire Wolf
cool, thanks for allowing me to help
12:25
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
In reply to this message
Idk if i can cover even a small part since i get scammed today from a "casino" my ass
12:25
Dire Wolf
oh shit, sorry to hear that
12:25
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Sorry for my language
12:26
Dire Wolf
what fucking language?
12:26
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
In reply to this message
Yeap,i'm just almost fucked up
12:26
In reply to this message
Ahahaha
12:26
thx man, you make laugh a bit
12:27
So i thought it will be good someone from the ppl that i trust and do lending to get this, if it s legit and not some troll
12:27
How much interest you want me to say to him?
12:28
Dire Wolf
I appreciate it, thanks. My interest for collateral loan is 0.1% per day, 3% per month
12:30
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Ok
12:30
I send him a msg,wait for his reply. I hope to be true...
12:33
You will be here for a long time or you need to leave? I mean go to sleep or something else...
12:34
Idk your zone sorry
12:34
Dire Wolf
I'm at work, it's 12:33 in the afternoon for me
12:34
I do have a couple of meetings this afternoon, but I'll be around
12:34
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
ok great
13:01
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Still no reply...😕
13:02
When i have a reply for him, i let you know man
13:51
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Here?
13:53
You want me to put you in our conversation with the client as the escrow of the deal ?
13:55
He is ok to use an escrow btw
13:59
Or you want me to present you as a partner of mine?
14:04
Dire Wolf
hey, sorry I was in a meeting away from my desk.
14:04
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
My bad man
14:05
Dire Wolf
No worries, I'm going to be on and off for the next two hours or so
14:05
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
So i will put you in our chat with the guy ok?
14:05
Dire Wolf
sounds good
14:07
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Warum Loan client
+381 63 869 6965
14:07
This is the guy
14:07
Idk how i can add you in the chat...
14:07
need to make a new one?
14:07
Dire Wolf
I think so, I've never done that
14:11
he's asking me about the fee, what should I tell him?
14:11
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Whatever i guess 0.5 or 1% tops is the current mid fee for escrow
14:16
He cant know who will loan him
14:17
So i think its better to know that is me that i loan him
14:17
Dire Wolf
okay, no problem
14:21
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
See you tomorrow man and thx for the help
14:21
Dire Wolf
see you tomorrow
16:05
Dire Wolf
Hey, I need an address to send the coins, can you please sign a message?

Second Conversation: Titled "Loan."

Code:

Loan Deal
14 November 2019
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️ created group «Loan Deal» with members Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️, Dire Wolf and Warum Loan client
14:08
Dire Wolf
Hello
14:08
Warum Loan client
Hi there
14:08
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Ok,all good i guess :-
14:09
Warum Loan client
So its about loan eth ltc
14:09
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Oh not BTC - LTC?
14:09
You insist on ETH loan?
14:09
Warum Loan client
Nope check msges
14:09
I mean that about we talked?
14:09
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Ok, my bad indeed...
14:10
I see them now, you want ETH
14:10
Dire its ok with you?
14:10
Dire Wolf
I'm sorry I don't have the ETH to cover that loan, I thought it was BTC
14:11
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Yes and i have problem with ETH too... 😞
14:11
Warum Loan client
Ehh will you have eth tomorow or today?
14:11
Or 2 3 days?
14:12
I can maybe take btc but tomorow i prefer eth
14:12
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Can we talk tomorrow then and check our availability on ETH?
14:13
Dire Wolf
unfortunately I won't have that much ETH, and no plans to
14:13
Warum Loan client
Alright so btc possible eth currently no okay
14:13
Ill probably need it tomorow
14:13
Btc one
14:14
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Btc is more easier for me and Dire as well aas you see
14:14
Besides we are from Bitcointalk...
14:14
Warum Loan client
But just one thing who will be escrow you or dire?and who loan me?
14:14
Dire Wolf
sorry guys, trying to participate in a meeting while I'm chatting
14:15
I'm not ignoring you
14:15
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Ok Dire
14:15
Warum Loan client
So just to confirm 3% interest ltc btc loan
14:15
?
14:15
Dire Wolf
correct
14:15
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
per month
14:15
Warum Loan client
And you are escrow or dire
14:15
Repayment 29.12.19
14:16
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
I prefer Dire to have the collateral
14:16
Warum Loan client
Oki so tomorrow we can make btc ltc loan right?
14:16
Dire Wolf
I will provide signed messages, and the collateral stays in the address the whole time, on my hardware wallet
14:17
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Sounds good to my ears
14:17
Warum Loan client
All good
14:18
I contact you anthony later ir tomorow for loan
14:18
Until later cya guys
14:18
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Due the "problem" of different time zones you want us to be ready tomorrow at spesific time for the deal?
14:18
Warum Loan client
Like 14 pm cet
14:19
Is that ok?
14:19
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
I be here. Dire it's ok with you?
14:19
Dire Wolf
perfect
14:19
Warum Loan client
Okay cya guys
14:19
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Happy to talk to you both, see you tomorrow then Mr Warum
14:20
Warum Loan client
Too
14:20
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
You can contact me here Mr Warum so Dire to see it as well
14:20
Thank you in advance
14:20
Warum Loan client
Also
14:21
Dire Wolf
thanks guys, see you tomorrow

Third Conversation: (Second Group Discussion) Titled "Escrow."

Code:

Escrow
14 November 2019
Warum Loan client created group «Escrow» with members Warum Loan client, Dire Wolf and Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
14:25
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Actually Dire , he want btc loan tonight.can you fill it? Same deal, 55ltc collateral
14:25
Warum Loan client
So repayment datw stay same 29.12.19 with 3% interest
14:26
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
How much btc i get exact?
14:26
He*
14:27
Dire Wolf
I will be away from my computer for about an hour, is that okay?
14:27
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Np we will wait for you.but can you fill this loan tonight?
14:27
Warum Loan client
I will be here sure
14:27
Dire Wolf
Yeah, I can
14:28
Warum Loan client
Guys let me know ammount of btc i get exact
14:28
Okay so in 1h we maje this?
14:28
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Good, ill be also online @DireWolfM14 ping us when you are back
14:29
Dire Wolf
55 LTC will allow 0.313 BTC loan
14:29
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
55 Ltc -20% in Btc equal ammount
14:29
Thats right 0.313
14:29
Warum Loan client
Oki seems fine i wait you guys
14:29
So not now in 1h?
14:30
Thatw 00 30 cet ?
14:31
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Not correct in minute but @DireWolfM14 comes ~
14:37
Dire Wolf
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

LTC collateral address for Warum's loan:
MVb8iPpHQrjEKdj1gDo9MvxPTP3Yr2ycYL
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEj+SnoCiYCpIUPy6Tb8DUkPoYYbgFAl3N1yEACgkQb8DUkPoY
YbinVAf+Ll6LR+P45khHZrCV/j96FITNf7/1CPS0ftSCFsVs0vtfj8XA0JNAM+JV
CcT/1iGrHrJdjRGZt+pPjQs+UrT2k0+SX661T0J1syZQkfZvcqzu+WDqjjR2s532
zhWG9IENyK+ChN9LBK7zziflQS5WTbCCR5M84wtcJfdWUiK/WY4ZWWtzziriLmWO
NDNaz/6N8fqWELFQ94MA61lsl42zp6mmDKBalyV0nYCXvi5PyILinJ3OQmAn6dNM
KCI/p2ik3DVnQatT1VXZbStzN/skluGQKTWJ3FP2T0mia/MDdKztM0l23L4xjvxD
kT3Da97ROFWEeJmmdjTW65SoVkN89A==
=zX+Z
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
14:38
PGP Fingerprint: 8FE4A7A028980A92143F2E936FC0D490FA1861B8
14:38
You can verify at keybase
14:40
Warum Loan client
Oki can we proceed now?
14:40
Dire Wolf
I'm still in a meeting, but should be done in about 20 minutes
14:41
Warum Loan client
Ok i wait here
14:41
Dire Wolf
looks like my other meeting got cancelled, but maybe not
14:42
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
I m also active more 1h so i guees we will finish this tonight
14:43
As Mr Warum ask he demand you sending BTC to my wallet, he check txid, than he send collateral to you.this is totally fine for me , but say me Dire is this okay with you?
14:44
I understand him as its high value but we are old loaners and btctalk members, anyway Warum i think this should be not problem but wait for Dire to come back
14:45
Warum Loan client
So this is my first time taking loan i send collateral to this adress up?
14:45
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Yes the one Dire sent you
14:46
But wait he come back from meeting
14:46
Dire Wolf
hey guys, I have to step away for a bit, I'll be back in about 40 minutes. So sorry, usually it's not this crazy around here, lol
14:47
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Np you r welcome
14:47
Warum Loan client
Is this for sure 40min? Just asking
14:48
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
I guees he said before 20mins , 1 hour he need so it will be arround 40min .Dire take your time if Mr Warum can wait
14:53
Warum Loan client
Ill wait say me when all rdy also whats repayment adress
15:07
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Dire will provide you repayment adress
15:22
Warum Loan client
Im online guys and waiting ready just to know
15:45
Dire Wolf
hey guys, work day is finaly over, I'm here for you
15:45
sorry about the delay
15:45
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
No problem take your time so
15:46
So as you wish you Mr Warum, Dire will release btc to me.You will send 55lLtc to him ,once he confirm ,you will receive BTC . 3% monthly interest + 0.5% escrow fees. Dire will provide you repayment adress
15:46
Warum Loan client
Im here also
15:46
Rdy
15:47
Dire Wolf
I'll send you a signed message from the address with the coins
15:47
Warum Loan client
So when dire send to you btc i send ltc to adress he said right?
15:47
Ye but i prefer that i know btc is at him
15:47
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
I think we can make it like he ask but he will cover double transaction fees
15:47
If you agree Dire we can start now
15:48
Warum Loan client
Ok np i cover that fees
15:48
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

LTC collateral address for Warum's loan:
MVb8iPpHQrjEKdj1gDo9MvxPTP3Yr2ycYL
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEj+SnoCiYCpIUPy6Tb8DUkPoYYbgFAl3N1yEACgkQb8DUkPoY
YbinVAf+Ll6LR+P45khHZrCV/j96FITNf7/1CPS0ftSCFsVs0vtfj8XA0JNAM+JV
CcT/1iGrHrJdjRGZt+pPjQs+UrT2k0+SX661T0J1syZQkfZvcqzu+WDqjjR2s532
zhWG9IENyK+ChN9LBK7zziflQS5WTbCCR5M84wtcJfdWUiK/WY4ZWWtzziriLmWO
NDNaz/6N8fqWELFQ94MA61lsl42zp6mmDKBalyV0nYCXvi5PyILinJ3OQmAn6dNM
KCI/p2ik3DVnQatT1VXZbStzN/skluGQKTWJ3FP2T0mia/MDdKztM0l23L4xjvxD
kT3Da97ROFWEeJmmdjTW65SoVkN89A==
=zX+Z
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
15:49
Here i send ltc?
15:49
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Thats right, Dire do you agree to start?
15:49
Dire Wolf
sure, that's ok with me, Condoras, can you send me a signed message on the forum for the address?
15:50
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Sure why not . i know that this is not how usually works loan but he inssist
15:50
There is attached to my profile
15:50
Warum Loan client
Im waiting you guys i got ltc
15:50
Dire Wolf
ok, great
15:51
In reply to this message
yes, here: MVb8iPpHQrjEKdj1gDo9MvxPTP3Yr2ycYL
15:51
Warum Loan client
Ok
15:51
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
qrqcf7ymhg55u0t9pcexj9k8qrrd3hu385uxj9hu5u , but Warum you will receive btc when Dire confirm ltc
15:52
Warum Loan client
Ok i know im ok with it
15:53
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Btw Warum you can check my and Dire feedback , there is no need for this complication as you lose transaction fees
15:53
Anyway you pay it so repayment 29.12.19 3% interest
15:54
@DireWolfM14 provide you repayment adrress
15:54
Warum Loan client
All clear
15:54
I just need txid so i see btc is real and im on sending ltc
15:54
Sry its high value for me
15:55
Dire Wolf
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is DireWolfM14 confirming funds
14 NOV 2019
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
33rhSk8iYGzkwDWSjYEWaRR4nf2bW9Zpqa
H96d7fXLHPrU1Ib0nqahnD12GQJjI8nd7LMjSdVCmxLGERLmDh2YXhV1hdljz25dwjFbl0ADGMoluJEoWAEh0bU=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
15:55
this is the address with the coin
15:55
you may have to use Electrum to verify
15:56
this will be repayment address: 348XXjbpXwg37JYd8knLnHRSMajLbteSbJ
15:56
Warum Loan client
I never done this before idk how i check
15:56
Ok repayment got it
15:56
Dire Wolf
do you have electrum?
15:56
Warum Loan client
Nope but i may make it
15:56
Why
15:57
Dire Wolf
it's a desktop wallet, it will allow you to check the signed message
15:57
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
@DireWolfM14 i think its simpliest to make as he want as all long night he ask for this demand
15:58
Dire Wolf
no problem, I can send to condoras
15:58
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
But only when ltc have all confirmation i will release btc to you Warum
15:58
Warum Loan client
Ye thats all i need ti see txid and all good
15:58
Warum Loan client
Dire Wolf 14.11.2019 15:58:11
no problem, I can send to condoras
15:59
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
@DireWolfM14 here it is: 1s1yBtD16SurC1x8QAWnQswwnT5oS6fAd feel free to put transaction fees to high due time as he cover it
16:00
Warum Loan client
So 3% plus 0.5% or just 3%?
16:01
Dire Wolf
since I'll be holding the collateral, it's just 3%, but I have to take tx fees from the LTC when I send back
16:01
Warum Loan client
Fine
16:01
What if i pay befire 29.12? Different interest?
16:01
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
3% per month
16:02
Dire Wolf
0.1% per day, so if you pay early I'll calculate it to the day
16:02
Warum Loan client
Oki that is fine
16:02
Dire Wolf
all my info is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132594.msg50633585#msg50633585
16:03
repayment address is also on that page
16:03
Warum Loan client
Im waiting for you guys ,so when i send ltc i wait until all confirm than i receive btc from condoras?
16:03
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Correct
16:05
Warum Loan client
Ok so im rdy all conditions are fine
16:05
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Alright wait for txid as you wish as Dire use physical wallet need little time
16:07
Warum Loan client
Ok so i send yoy now my btc adress where you send me after ltc right
16:08
Dire Wolf
you can send it now
16:08
Warum Loan client
Ok sec , so can we proceeed?
16:09
Im just waiting for you guys
16:09
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
@DireWolfM14 how long you need ?
16:09
Dire Wolf
I'm sorry I got confused, I need an address
16:10
condoras, can you please send me a signed message with the address on the forum?
16:10
Warum Loan client
Hah i understand he want another way of loan
16:11
Yes sure but just one second isnt it easier like always to make loan? Usually Warum we proceed like send collateral get loan no txid and so
16:11
This is what cond wrote me
16:12
I am couruous as its high value for me
16:12
I just wanna really know its all legit
16:12
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️ 14.11.2019 15:59:59
@DireWolfM14 here it is: 1s1yBtD16SurC1x8QAWnQswwnT5oS6fAd feel free to put transaction fees to high due time as he cover it
16:13
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
There is signed on my profle check
16:13
Dire Wolf
no address in your profile:
16:13
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=740502
16:14
Warum Loan client
Or even make txid with 10% of loan so i can see your current walet stat
16:14
This is also ok for me
16:14
Dire Wolf
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/33rhSk8iYGzkwDWSjYEWaRR4nf2bW9Zpqa
16:16
ok, how about this; I send you 0.0001 BTC to your wallet, then you send the LTC, then I send the rest, ok?
16:16
Warum Loan client
From same wallet?
16:16
Dire Wolf
yes, of course
16:16
Warum Loan client
Or like send 0.001 to cond and post txid im alsi ok with it
16:17
Dire Wolf
that works too
16:17
Warum Loan client
Fine for me just wanna see txid
16:17
And can y resend me ltc adress
16:19
Dire Wolf
8897eccf11c3e6ddb5735726053ce7df8c9a6821d009c4a127289e7850b91d23
16:19
Warum Loan client
Hmm but how can i be sure you have all btc i want to loan 0.001 is like 10usd. I just checked and my loan is near 3k usd
16:20
Sec i check txid
16:21
Can we just make like i asked before? Once i see cond really have all btc for my loan im instant sending ltc
16:21
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Ah @DireWolfM14 i said hes too complicated
16:22
But lets just finish this.once more you will cover all transaction fees
16:22
Dire Wolf
Condoras, I'm not seeing this address on the forum: 1s1yBtD16SurC1x8QAWnQswwnT5oS6fAd
16:23
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Btw warum check my and dire adress we have big volume trade
16:23
I can sing it np but this goes too complicated
16:24
Dire Wolf
I think I'm going to back out of this deal, I'm sorry but I'm not comfortable with what's going on.
16:24
Warum Loan client
What about he sent 0.01 btc i send equal ltc and small stepz
16:24
This is fine?
16:24
I know sry guys i lost 300usd yesterday
16:25
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
If you go out im gonna refund but maybe wecan do this last?
16:25
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Warum Loan client 14.11.2019 16:24:22
What about he sent 0.01 btc i send equal ltc and small stepz
16:25
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
@DireWolfM14 i think this is reasonable
16:26
Warum Loan client
I lost 300usd yesterday seeking loan thatz why i do this
16:26
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
If you agree last one dire we can go otherwise we cancel i refund your btc
16:28
Dire Wolf
Yeah, I think I would rather cancel. I'm sorry I'm just not comfortable with this anymore
16:28
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
We understand but this is not how usuallt works
16:28
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Warum Loan client 14.11.2019 16:26:19
I lost 300usd yesterday seeking loan thatz why i do this
16:28
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Sorry Warum trade is canceled
16:28
Warum Loan client
Hmmm......
16:28
I wait wholw day but ok
16:29
Is there any way we can go?
16:29
I rly need
16:29
Dire Wolf
make an account on the forum, and post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132594.msg50633585#msg50633585
16:30
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
@DireWolfM14 can you cover 0.005 btc to me? I repay in 2days i am gonna giv3 him loan with all i have
16:30
Dire Wolf
but you have to be willing to send the collateral directly to me first. I'm sorry but that's the only way I will proceed.
16:30
Warum Loan client
Let me read about this on forum
16:31
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
?
16:31
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️ 14.11.2019 16:30:09
@DireWolfM14 can you cover 0.005 btc to me? I repay in 2days i am gonna giv3 him loan with all i have
16:32
Antony️‍ 🏴‍☠️
Willing to share 60% of my interest with you
16:34
Let me know
16:34
And if not sendme your refund adress
16:37
Dire Wolf
you can send back here, I'll cover the tx fees, slow is fine: 348XXjbpXwg37JYd8knLnHRSMajLbteSbJ

[condoras]

That is indeed possible.  Now that I see the account I thought was Condoras' in the second group discussion has been deleted, and the one in the first is still there (and that's the one I contacted,) it seems quite plausible.  The "Client" certainly could have started the second conversation posing as Condoras.

I've removed my negative tag.  I now recognize it's impossible to prove that Condoras was part of the second group discussion titled "Escrow,"  and that's where all the really shady shit happened.  

It would be nice to hear a big "sorry" for all this mess, as i would like to thank you for notifying me and get here to explain.
We can prevent all this fuss if you contact me directly, the moment you get a msg from another "Condoras" and tell you to be on another chat room.

Anyway, i don't hold any grudges or bad feelings but please be more carefull when you accuse someone.

P.S: You can say that you sorry with a big meme or pic here... (jk)

[DireWolfM14]

@condoras,
I would like to issue an official public apology.  I'm sorry I accused you of being part of this scam attempt.

Just this morning someone contacted me on Telegram asking me to provide escrow for his collateral so he could a loan from member jbdee.  I quickly provided the two an address to use and posted it here on the forum in my escrow thread.  The scammer then created an account to impersonate me, started another group discussion with jbdee and the impostor account, and gave jbdee a different address.  But since I had already provided an address, jbdee was spared from the scam, and recognized the other account as an impostor.

I now believe that you were lured into a very similar attempt to scam me.

This type of scam is a new one for me.  Start a discussion with a reputable member, then impersonate that member in another group discussion.  This morning makes at least two instances where I know it failed, I wonder if it has ever worked for this scumbag.  Considering the amount of time invested in attempting these types of scams, you would think the guy could that much effort into something legitimate, and be profitable and successful.

[suchmoon]

To quote a wise man/woman/non-binary person from a page ago:

...
The Other Member.. sent me a PM asking me to connect with him on Telegram
...

Stop right there.

I'm often asked "are you this-or-that-person on telegram", which probably means that scammers are impersonating anyone they can, and that telegram is a mess (and I mean Skype-level total shitshow) when it comes to usernames/nicknames.

[condoras]

@condoras,
I would like to issue an official public apology.  I'm sorry I accused you of being part of this scam attempt.

Apology is more than accepted. It's a good thing to aknowledge your mistakes and try not to make the same again (that goes to all of us). So everything is good here, no grudge or hard feelings from my side.

Just this morning someone contacted me on Telegram asking me to provide escrow for his collateral so he could a loan from member jbdee.  I quickly provided the two an address to use and posted it here on the forum in my escrow thread.  The scammer then created an account to impersonate me, started another group discussion with jbdee and the impostor account, and gave jbdee a different address.  But since I had already provided an address, jbdee was spared from the scam, and recognized the other account as an impostor.

I now believe that you were lured into a very similar attempt to scam me.

This type of scam is a new one for me.  Start a discussion with a reputable member, then impersonate that member in another group discussion.  This morning makes at least two instances where I know it failed,I wonder if it has ever worked for this scumbag.

Is not the first time (as i said in some of my previous posts in this thread) and as it looks, it wont be the last.
As it seems they try to create an account that looks as much as they can to the original one and establish a "connection-chat group" with the victim. They also try to find and copycat trusted members around so they can persuade the victim easier and send them the funds as fast as they can.

I believe that we can secure it in a way by making some tricks like putting a banner or a small sign in our profile, so to know if the account is the official one.
Ofc if someone have the original account in his TG list, he can verify it in no time.

Considering the amount of time invested in attempting these types of scams, you would think the guy could that much effort into something legitimate, and be profitable and successful.

What time they invest here man? No real time at all. They try to trick others with our "names" alone. Without any need to "create" any documents or paperwork or edit a thing. Just change a digit or a letter and...here we go, let's scam!

To quote a wise man/woman/non-binary person from a page ago:

...
The Other Member.. sent me a PM asking me to connect with him on Telegram
...

Stop right there.

I'm often asked "are you this-or-that-person on telegram", which probably means that scammers are impersonating anyone they can, and that telegram is a mess (and I mean Skype-level total shitshow) when it comes to usernames/nicknames.

You are right about the TG mess and the shitshow (lol) but don't blame the tool because it's a tool. If they use it for wrong purposes and goals doesn't make it bad. As long as we use it as we should be and be careful, then is a fine good tool.

P.S: @DW Know you know who is the real me...

[DireWolfM14]

Apology is more than accepted.

Much appreciated.

Unless the community is apposed, I'd like to keep this thread open.  I think it can serve as a warning to those who use alternative messaging services.