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April 20, 2014, 04:02:32 AM
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On a related note, Bitcoin's pretty awesome for petty bribes you're expected to pay in semi-industrial countries.
You advocate cowardice and submission. That might sit well with you if you are predisposed to it, but it would stick in my throat. Any time someone tries to take away the fruits of my labour using the threat of violence, I will say no.
So basically you will make use of (steal) the infrastructure, services and protections of your country without compensation because the payment is not optional? A country is like any other product if you don't like it don't buy it. But to use it without paying is theft. And yes, I left mine, twice. Although with no family and a job I could do anywhere with an internet connection it was easier for me than most.

This +1, 5flags is irrational. He's using government funded services everyday but doesn't wanna pay up..Grow up dude, if you don't wanna use sidewalks, or streets, or the internet, or clothes, or toothbrushes, practically anything, since there all connected to the government someway somehow, then go live on Mars.
Not sure if serious. You don't think we'd have toothbrushes if there were no government? Like if it weren't for government, the toothbrush manufacturers would be totally confused as to what to do and just dump everything they manufacture into the ocean until they're insolvent or raided by one of every citizen who's suddenly joined a violent gang now that government dissolved?
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April 22, 2014, 08:32:52 AM
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As it's a fun and interesting discussion, I've started a thread on the topic here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579899.0

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April 22, 2014, 09:01:35 AM
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Yes the Feds will be visiting you quickly.

I didnt say me... I was just speaking theoretically. Could you tell me what charges could be brought against the person doing it?
It's called blackmailing. Just google it.

But what if one did it anonymously... say through tor? What do you think the chances are of it succeeding?
a) TOR is not anonymous. (but they let you think it is)
b) Your blog where you put the info have 1 visitor a week.
c) Find a job.
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April 22, 2014, 06:00:36 PM
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Even when it is a property, it is still bribing.

Bribing with a TV is still bribing, period.

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April 22, 2014, 07:44:35 PM
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5flags is irrational.
Good to see the obligatory political abuse of psychology has now arrived in the thread.

He's using government funded services everyday but doesn't wanna pay up..
Grow up dude, if you don't wanna use sidewalks, or streets, or the internet, or clothes, or toothbrushes, practically anything, since there all connected to the government someway somehow, then go live on Mars.
I'd recognize this bullshit argument anywhere. I've seen it before.

Remember Aaron Swartz, a 26 year old computer scientist who died defending the free flow of information.
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April 23, 2014, 12:45:23 AM
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Say one was to send a message to.. maybe someone at dod.gov... and say that they know secret and classified "information" surrounding the killing of Osama bin Laden. And it said that the government must send 2000BTC to a said address or else the information will be leaked in a week. Would the government go for it, and if so, would and could there be charges brought up against the person for doing that?

no, BTCitcoin is real money unlike phoney baloney american dollars which are only used for publicity stunts.  no one is gonna waste REAL money on something with obvoiusly no value (who cares why someone died.  they're DEAD get over it)

i am here.
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April 23, 2014, 01:57:10 AM
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While I usually find anarchist opinion to interesting ,informative and somewhat enlightening in many ways ,your argument are just imbecilic on so many levels.




If you don't want the Mafia to protect you, then move to a country without a Mafia.

Does this mafia protection involves providing and maintaining basic infrastuctures such as road,health and rescue services(firefighters,ambulance and medicines etc) ,protection from unscrupulous act/attempts against you(even from the Mafia itself) access to basic education,governance  and whatnots?And are the "fees" competitive compared to what the local government taxes you while managing similar or superior quality of services?
If yes than I would probably accept the Mafia administration any time
Why should I accept injustice just because a political entity sets itself up to maintain a monopoly on the use of violence to enforce that injustice??

Then I suggest you moves away from the country that oppresses you or organise a resistance.

Gandhi used non-violent resistance to oppose British rule and what he saw as unfair taxes on Indian workers, can you imagine telling him "if you don't like taxes and British rule, move to another country"?

You can't seriously equate a struggle against  a colonial ruler (India belongs to Gandhi and his countrymen ,not the British) as the same as not paying taxes
Can you imagine telling Mandela "if you don't like apartheid, live somewhere else"?
Again , this irrelevant and unrepresentative.Unless you are suggesting that havingto pay taxes is equivalent to living in an apartheid system.

Can you imagine telling Arabs in the Arab spring "if you don't like this government, go somewhere else"?

The Arabs were fighting against despotic no-democratic rulers in which they have little say and no way of choosing/changing government.Unless you're living in a similar state, your argument is moot.
You advocate cowardice and submission. That might sit well with you if you are predisposed to it, but it would stick in my throat. Any time someone tries to take away the fruits of my labour using the threat of violence, I will say no.

I'm with you this one.If anyone trying to take the fruit of my labour without giving anything consequential of beneficial  in return , then they can expect me to fight back.While I am dissatisfied on how they used my tax money (or the rate of tax for that matter) in my country, I always recognise the necessity of it and conceded paying as my duty/gift to society.


Back to the OP's topic.Your scenario reminded me of similar blackmail scene in "The Dark Knight",though here the punishment must be more severe Grin
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