Interest thread for Eliovp linux build for pandaminer

[Eliovp]

Pricing model may have changed or my interpretation is poor.   Heliox = ELIOVP.  From the Ethereum thread, it says you need to purchase a minimum of 10 OS copies.  The ROM plus 1 OS copy is $400 which is $4K.  "(writing this on multiple systems will have no point as you won't be able to use it without me activating it)".  I read that as you can't really just buy the ROM for $400 and be able to use it on multiple Pandas.  If you can purchase the ROM only then that's not a bad deal if you're planning on a few Pandas. @Eliovp - please don't take it the wrong way, as I've said before, you have a great product and I hope you get compensated for your time.  It's just a shame that such a great product is tied to just Pandas when it really can be used for many other AMD GPUs platforms. 

All large farm's biggest pain point is the RMA process and doing that with China makes it 100x worst.  Long shipping time, high cost of shipping and lost mining revenue is not great for ROI.  The larger your farm the higher count of items that will need RMAs.  My partners still have S9 boards that took almost 2 month to replace.  The lost of mining revenue during lower difficult on that is substantial.  We only had to put up with that with Bitmain because they're the only game in town for Bitcoin mining.  It's definitely not the same for GPU mining.  You've made it very clear that your solution is targeting large farms, but I think most large farms will not be investing that heavily into Pandas with such a weak warranty and slow / expensive China replacement process.  You're the King of ROMs and now that you have a sexy management interface, would be nice to see your offering on other platforms.  I know you mentioned that you're not interested in doing that yet, but hopefully it's something planned for down the road. 



Heliox Posts: 603Member, Moderator mod
January 21 edited January 21
Ok, i will most probably disappoint a few people with my decision but i have a few reasons why i decided to go this route.

1. I have no time to support multiple people with questions remarks, etc..
2. I've spent a large amount of time on this, so basically risking it all by selling single copies is not something i want to do.
  (in other words, if i sell one copy for example, it'll take a week before someone shares it, with this i'm more concerned about the rom..)
3. There are other alternatives which also work perfectly and give awesome support, PiMP for example..


So, what i decided to do.

What i will offer

- A package for european people: Pandaminer + "OS, Monitor, Remote Management" + ROM for 3200EUR VAT incl.
- I will not offer single copies of the PandamOS, reasons why are stated above. I will however sell the rom for 400$ and a single copy of the OS will be included. (writing this on multiple systems will have no point as you won't be able to use it without me activating it)
- Regarding the OS, i will only offer a minimum of 10 copies. It's just not interesting for me otherwise. And as i said before, i know what will happen if i agree on single copies.
- Last thing i offer is a "Fee base" system, i agree, still not interesting for small home miners. And i apologise for that.
Again, it's just not interesting for me otherwise.

So in other words, yes i know, what i offer is very interesting for large scale miners and not so for smaller ones.

On the other hand, like i said, there are plenty of other alternatives for all you small home miners

I'm always open for negotiation though. Pm me for that.

Hey Yun,

You quoted a post from Ethereum Forum which i posted here as well

Anyhow, it's simple, if you buy the rom you get a copy of the OS with it. No charge.
If you want more, the minimum order is 10 copies yes. (this has nothing to do with the rom as you only need to buy this one time.)

I agree that it isn't very clear, but it's not so difficult either

So if you have for example 4 units and you're interested.
That will cost you 400$ for the rom + 1 copy.
For your other 3 units you will,( yes and i know it might sound stupid for a lot of you but that's just how i want it to be) need to get 10 copies.
which is another 300 dollar. So in total 700. Otherwise it'll be 400 for the rom and a copy of the os.

Greetings!

[yun9999]

Pricing model may have changed or my interpretation is poor.   Heliox = ELIOVP.  From the Ethereum thread, it says you need to purchase a minimum of 10 OS copies.  The ROM plus 1 OS copy is $400 which is $4K.  "(writing this on multiple systems will have no point as you won't be able to use it without me activating it)".  I read that as you can't really just buy the ROM for $400 and be able to use it on multiple Pandas.  If you can purchase the ROM only then that's not a bad deal if you're planning on a few Pandas. @Eliovp - please don't take it the wrong way, as I've said before, you have a great product and I hope you get compensated for your time.  It's just a shame that such a great product is tied to just Pandas when it really can be used for many other AMD GPUs platforms. 

All large farm's biggest pain point is the RMA process and doing that with China makes it 100x worst.  Long shipping time, high cost of shipping and lost mining revenue is not great for ROI.  The larger your farm the higher count of items that will need RMAs.  My partners still have S9 boards that took almost 2 month to replace.  The lost of mining revenue during lower difficult on that is substantial.  We only had to put up with that with Bitmain because they're the only game in town for Bitcoin mining.  It's definitely not the same for GPU mining.  You've made it very clear that your solution is targeting large farms, but I think most large farms will not be investing that heavily into Pandas with such a weak warranty and slow / expensive China replacement process.  You're the King of ROMs and now that you have a sexy management interface, would be nice to see your offering on other platforms.  I know you mentioned that you're not interested in doing that yet, but hopefully it's something planned for down the road. 



Heliox Posts: 603Member, Moderator mod
January 21 edited January 21
Ok, i will most probably disappoint a few people with my decision but i have a few reasons why i decided to go this route.

1. I have no time to support multiple people with questions remarks, etc..
2. I've spent a large amount of time on this, so basically risking it all by selling single copies is not something i want to do.
  (in other words, if i sell one copy for example, it'll take a week before someone shares it, with this i'm more concerned about the rom..)
3. There are other alternatives which also work perfectly and give awesome support, PiMP for example..


So, what i decided to do.

What i will offer

- A package for european people: Pandaminer + "OS, Monitor, Remote Management" + ROM for 3200EUR VAT incl.
- I will not offer single copies of the PandamOS, reasons why are stated above. I will however sell the rom for 400$ and a single copy of the OS will be included. (writing this on multiple systems will have no point as you won't be able to use it without me activating it)
- Regarding the OS, i will only offer a minimum of 10 copies. It's just not interesting for me otherwise. And as i said before, i know what will happen if i agree on single copies.
- Last thing i offer is a "Fee base" system, i agree, still not interesting for small home miners. And i apologise for that.
Again, it's just not interesting for me otherwise.

So in other words, yes i know, what i offer is very interesting for large scale miners and not so for smaller ones.

On the other hand, like i said, there are plenty of other alternatives for all you small home miners

I'm always open for negotiation though. Pm me for that.

Hey Yun,

You quoted a post from Ethereum Forum which i posted here as well

Anyhow, it's simple, if you buy the rom you get a copy of the OS with it. No charge.
If you want more, the minimum order is 10 copies yes. (this has nothing to do with the rom as you only need to buy this one time.)

I agree that it isn't very clear, but it's not so difficult either

So if you have for example 4 units and you're interested.
That will cost you 400$ for the rom + 1 copy.
For your other 3 units you will,( yes and i know it might sound stupid for a lot of you but that's just how i want it to be) need to get 10 copies.
which is another 300 dollar. So in total 700. Otherwise it'll be 400 for the rom and a copy of the os.

Greetings!

Thanks for the Clarification!  This helps a lot as it wasn't as clear that the ROM can be purchased separate from the OS and the OS is $30 per Copy which is very attractive as Simplemining is free for now but even if it's $3/rig per month later that is over $36 / year which is what most miner keep their gears for on average so it's definitely something to consider. 

[Lagniappe]

I am from Louisiana, a hot, humid climate. Heat is my worst enemy

Pandaminer has garnered my interest, (I would love to build one of these and am really trying to identify parts. I don't want to profit off of this, I don't have time to build these for a living :-) ) I am going through threads looking for a guy who built one and showed some sourceable parts. Probably isn't going to happen, but I'm still trying to figure out basic components that are viewable. Like, what motherboard that is, where I can get those gpus, what kinda power supply do you run, where do you get that neat flat metal case, all these are questions. Questions, questions, questions.

Questions like,  when is the 400 amp service gettin put in.  I'd just rather go with this smaller, quieter option, difficult to digest my current  6 gpu  build, after seeing this. Heat is such a problem for me, I really am intrigued!


Best,
Norman

[philipma1957]

I am from Louisiana, a hot, humid climate. Heat is my worst enemy

Pandaminer has garnered my interest, (I would love to build one of these and am really trying to identify parts. I don't want to profit off of this, I don't have time to build these for a living :-) ) I am going through threads looking for a guy who built one and showed some sourceable parts. Probably isn't going to happen, but I'm still trying to figure out basic components that are viewable. Like, what motherboard that is, where I can get those gpus, what kinda power supply do you run, where do you get that neat flat metal case, all these are questions. Questions, questions, questions.

Questions like,  when is the 400 amp service gettin put in.  I'd just rather go with this smaller, quieter option, difficult to digest my current  6 gpu  build, after seeing this. Heat is such a problem for me, I really am intrigued!


Best,
Norman

no one is going to find a board.  as far as anyone knows the boards are custom built with embed cpus for panda miner.

[Lagniappe]

hmm struggeling with ubuntu and amd drivers. As soon as the amd driver is installed on my ubunto 16.04 after a reboot I don't get any screen anymore, somebody knows how to fix that? It's the panda miner obv


@Eliovp excited to see your work

I use fglrx 15.30 for my amd sapphire r9 nanos. I am not super Ubuntu experienced but I can give a few tips, of what I'd do,

nano .bashrc


at the end of that file, do you have

export DISPLAY=:0




also, after you install the driver,
sudo aticonfig --adapter=all --initial
sudo reboot

sorry if you know all this, just trying to help.

 


Best,
Norman

[viramarket]

I faced a problem in Panda the miner B3 +.Periodically there is a system hang Windows.You have to reboot.How have you achieved stable operation Panda without crashing?