Interest thread for Eliovp linux build for pandaminer

[philipma1957]

Okay Evliop and I have bounced a few ideas around and we agreed to start a thread.

The panda miner is pretty darn good piece of gear.
It could use a linux build and Evliop has built a linux that works.

So  we came up with a 2 tier donation idea.

Tier 1 is  the linux build + drivers for the mobo   cost =   1x
Tier 2 is the linux build + drivers for the mobo + roms = 1.5x

If we get enough interest   and get past a threshold   I would open an address   take collections and then the build A or B would be sent to the donators.

Obviously once the builds are released people will spread them around so For Evliop it is a 1 shot deal more or less for a pay off.

Now this is all very tentative and no funds are going to be collected by me at the moment.

We tossed around ideas as to what is a fair asking price and we decided to open the thread and ask.

For me

 If I were to purchase tier 1 I might pay as much as  x     for linux + mobo drivers

If I were to purchase tier 2 I might pay as much as  1.5x   for linux + mobo drivers + rom for gpus


These numbers   would at least help Evliop get an idea how much interest there is for the product.

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[yun9999]

Sounds weird that Tier 2 is higher class membership then Tier 1.  =)

I'm interested in the complete solution so I guess it would be Tier 2. 

If I were to purchase tier 2 I might pay as much as  1.5x   for linux + mobo drivers + rom for gpus

[xxcsu]

My guess is ... Someone from pandaminer going to pay that donation , they going to get all those modded roms, drivers for linux , and soon they starting to sell they own miners with linux I dont think they really care about paying for operation system or anything else , as they used a non activated win 10 enterprise for the pandaminer operation system ...
It might be better option for Eliovp to contact them , and try to get a deal with them for his hard work


Im in  .... for a full bundle
as soon as the pandaminer price going lower a little bit, im going to order a few of those for sure:) But right now for me is still better option to build my own rigs as a small farm operator

[citronick]

count me in for a full bundle.

[jstefanop]

seriously? just download 16.04 ubuntu and install the amdgpu-pro drivers...

[m1n1ngP4d4w4n]

YEah i agree, pandaminer should probably hire evliop to release for the masses

in any cases, keep up the good work guys !

seriously? just download 16.04 ubuntu and install the amdgpu-pro drivers...

if it was this easy everyone would do it

[Q_R_V]

[...] pandaminer [...]
It might be better option for Evliop to contact them , and try to get a deal with them for his hard work

This. Exactly my thought.

[Eliovp]

seriously? just download 16.04 ubuntu and install the amdgpu-pro drivers...

If it was only that easy

Well, yeah, it is that easy, but there are no supported drivers for the NIC, which is a PCIe NIC.
If you boot the system, go into the bios of the main board, you'll see as first boot "windows boot loader",  not just the msata disk like in any other case.
So in other words, just installing ubuntu, yeah, perhaps  
It wasn't "just" installing ubuntu when i first got it..

It has everything pre-configured, every single miner out there is on it ready to run with a perfectly optimized config for each algo out there.

Oh yeah, but that's already clear enough, modified roms, so not only copied straps but custom ones and of course VDDC offset added.

Greetings.

[...] pandaminer [...]
It might be better option for Evliop to contact them , and try to get a deal with them for his hard work

This. Exactly my thought.

You should contact them and you'll quickly notice how awesome communicating with those guys is 

[jstefanop]

seriously? just download 16.04 ubuntu and install the amdgpu-pro drivers...

If it was only that easy

Well, yeah, it is that easy, but there are no supported drivers for the NIC, which is a PCIe NIC.
If you boot the system, go into the bios of the main board, you'll see as first boot "windows boot loader",  not just the msata disk like in any other case.
So in other words, just installing ubuntu, yeah, perhaps  
It wasn't "just" installing ubuntu when i first got it..

It has everything pre-configured, every single miner out there is on it ready to run with a perfectly optimized config for each algo out there.

Oh yeah, but that's already clear enough, modified roms, so not only copied straps but custom ones and of course VDDC offset added.

Greetings.

[...] pandaminer [...]
It might be better option for Evliop to contact them , and try to get a deal with them for his hard work

This. Exactly my thought.

You should contact them and you'll quickly notice how awesome communicating with those guys is 

Ive never heard of any modern NIC that not PCIe based...I understand charging for moded roms, but for a free OS that needs a few configuration changes and some drivers installed is a bit of a stretch.

ill probably buy one of these and ill just post a working linux clone as soon as I get it, or more easily the instructions needed to run it on linux.

[Longsnowsm]

I will say I haven't bought a Pandaminer yet.  But at this point I wouldn't buy one unless I knew I had access to the custom Linux, and ROM's that Eliovp is building.  

I would like to see the Pandaminer be like an appliance.  A simple user interface the user just selects the coin to mine and forget about it.  Of course maybe a few bells and whistles later on for monitoring and that sort of thing. The beauty would be you buy it, you add the OS and ROM's, start it and no more messing around.  

I would also like to think that as updates come along and new features that make this more of an appliance happens that for a period of time the updates would be provided as part of the initial cost, but later on if you want the updates and enhancements it would be perfectly reasonable to charge for the updates.

You might add a 3rd option for those who want to stay with the Windows build which would be to sell just the ROM's for the cards.  

This is just coming from a "bystander" at the moment who is watching this with peaked interest.  

[xxcsu]

[...] pandaminer [...]
It might be better option for Evliop to contact them , and try to get a deal with them for his hard work

This. Exactly my thought.

You should contact them and you'll quickly notice how awesome communicating with those guys is  

At least you can try to contact them , Im sure they going to steal your hard work as soon as you made public.
I had no problem to communicating with them , they answered my email's within a day . You are offering them a "free optimized operation system" instead of that pirated windows 10 enterprise ...

Eliovp ! I have a question for you You are created custom rom's for those RX 480 mxm cards. Those rom's are optimized for ETH ? Zcash ? XMR?
I modded my own bioses for a lot of cards, optimized them for ETH mining , but what working fine for ETH , that not the best for zCash, what is the best for zcash , that not the greatest for XMR
Usually all my optimized, modded bios for ETH , performing worst than the original, factory bios on zcash.

[m1n1ngP4d4w4n]

I will say I haven't bought a Pandaminer yet.  But at this point I wouldn't buy one unless I knew I had access to the custom Linux, and ROM's that Eliovp is building.  

I would like to see the Pandaminer be like an appliance.  A simple user interface the user just selects the coin to mine and forget about it.  Of course maybe a few bells and whistles later on for monitoring and that sort of thing. The beauty would be you buy it, you add the OS and ROM's, start it and no more messing around.  

I would also like to think that as updates come along and new features that make this more of an appliance happens that for a period of time the updates would be provided as part of the initial cost, but later on if you want the updates and enhancements it would be perfectly reasonable to charge for the updates.

You might add a 3rd option for those who want to stay with the Windows build which would be to sell just the ROM's for the cards.  

This is just coming from a "bystander" at the moment who is watching this with peaked interest.  

Yup exactly my thoughts long', the hardware seems to be awesome, but there is much work to do on the software, with a custom linux release with modded roms, and let be crazy a web interface to manage the miners & such, you would have a winner

[philipma1957]

seriously? just download 16.04 ubuntu and install the amdgpu-pro drivers...

for those that know how to fine and simple

for those that don't and fear a brick this is offered.

I am a gear head far more then a software guy.  and the idea of bricking my 2180 plus shipping miner loading 16.04 ubuntu into it is a bit frightening.

I would love for pandaminer to cut a deal and just install linux  or a linux option.

I have a lot of skills in life but linux builds  so far 1 and done..  I did 1 build for my  compac sticks 16 month ago.




For more transparency  here.

Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB key is a fail for the following reason

They issue 1 key number with 10 to 500 or even more pc that can use the key.

If I own Pandaminer and buy a 600 pc Key   even pc has that key.  So unless I load every one of my 600 pc's then ship every one to the same guy I am subject to theft.  How is that.  lets say I load 400 pc's  my key has 200 left on it.

First thief to get one of the windows 10 Enterprise LTSB  simply lifts the key and loads the remaining 200 pc's   and pandaminer loses 200 of 600 pcs worth of windows 10 enterprise.

Contact windows and see if you can buy a 1 pc key for windows 10 enterprise LTSB.  If you can pleas buy 2 and sell one to me.


More transparency.  MY pandaminer  was sent without any payment  I agreed to pay pandaminer  a fair price for it.  (yet to be determined)

What does that mean  It means I have a little bit of leverage not a lot to try to get a better os for us.  

If you read the original thread carefully they are difficult to talk things out.

I could use someone really fluent in Chinese and English to help to talk to them.  I am not looking to make big money here  I don't expect much of anything .  What I would like is to get  the miner  sold and spread to smaller miners.  Ie  the 5kwatt or less guys  not the farms.


I will post a photo in ten minutes.

24 gpus and 6 mobos 6 psus



8 gpus 1 psu

Outlined for more clarity

so the rack of 24 would be an easy rack of 48

[Eliovp]

Ive never heard of any modern NIC that not PCIe based...I understand charging for moded roms, but for a free OS that needs a few configuration changes and some drivers installed is a bit of a stretch.

ill probably buy one of these and ill just post a working linux clone as soon as I get it, or more easily the instructions needed to run it on linux.

Ok, i might have just not been clear enough.

This isn't your average joe NIC, it's a custom main board and it's an integrated one. Not one you can just go and order online.

It indeed is a free OS, very true, but just maybe, it could be completely automated . Perhaps it's even designed for large farms...  


You shouldn't be so negative.

I'm not 100% sure so correct me on this if i'm wrong but i reckon to have seen other posts of you trying to put certain things in a bad daylight when someone "could" make some money... It almost seems like you're a bit jealous


Greetings!


Edit: And no, i haven't always been so "holy" either..

[Longsnowsm]

Farm ready, buy it, set it, forget it.  Simplify management and monitoring.  This OS and ROM's with the ability to simply the operations for the end user is value added.  Sure people could do this themselves.  That isn't the audience for the target market for this device.  At least not in my opinion.

[m1n1ngP4d4w4n]

Ive never heard of any modern NIC that not PCIe based...I understand charging for moded roms, but for a free OS that needs a few configuration changes and some drivers installed is a bit of a stretch.

ill probably buy one of these and ill just post a working linux clone as soon as I get it, or more easily the instructions needed to run it on linux.

Ok, i might have just not been clear enough.

This isn't your average joe NIC, it's a custom main board and it's an integrated one. Not one you can just go and order online.

It indeed is a free OS, very true, but just maybe, it could be completely automated . Perhaps it's even designed for large farms...  


You shouldn't be so negative.

I'm not 100% sure so correct me on this if i'm wrong but i reckon to have seen other posts of you trying to put certain things in a bad daylight when someone "could" make some money... It almost seems like you're a bit jealous


Greetings!


Edit: And no, i haven't always been so "holy" either..

Don't listen to haters,keep up the good work

Farm ready, buy it, set it, forget it.  Simplify management and monitoring.  This OS and ROM's with the ability to simply the operations for the end user is value added.  Sure people could do this themselves.  That isn't the audience for the target market for this device.  At least not in my opinion.

Same here, i think it's aimed to be a "packaged" solution, plug & play so if someone offer a better package, worked it out with his sweat, why he shouldn't be able to turn a few buck out of it ? that's our basic right. Again keep up the good work guys 

[philipma1957]

Ive never heard of any modern NIC that not PCIe based...I understand charging for moded roms, but for a free OS that needs a few configuration changes and some drivers installed is a bit of a stretch.

ill probably buy one of these and ill just post a working linux clone as soon as I get it, or more easily the instructions needed to run it on linux.

Ok, i might have just not been clear enough.

This isn't your average joe NIC, it's a custom main board and it's an integrated one. Not one you can just go and order online.

It indeed is a free OS, very true, but just maybe, it could be completely automated . Perhaps it's even designed for large farms...  


You shouldn't be so negative.

I'm not 100% sure so correct me on this if i'm wrong but i reckon to have seen other posts of you trying to put certain things in a bad daylight when someone "could" make some money... It almost seems like you're a bit jealous


Greetings!


Edit: And no, i haven't always been so "holy" either..

Don't listen to haters,keep up the good work

Farm ready, buy it, set it, forget it.  Simplify management and monitoring.  This OS and ROM's with the ability to simply the operations for the end user is value added.  Sure people could do this themselves.  That isn't the audience for the target market for this device.  At least not in my opinion.

Same here, i think it's aimed to be a "packaged" solution, plug & play so if someone offer a better package, worked it out with his sweat, why he shouldn't be able to turn a few buck out of it ? that's our basic right. Again keep up the good work guys 

and my point is it would be a one shot deal  since we all know someone will release for free to prevent a second donation thread.

I have given 1000's of of dollars away  for zero nothing on my difficulty prediction  threads.

If I have to I would give 500 usd to  Eliovp  for a full copy  to get him to do it for me.   And I would release it in time.

He built it works.  and like it or not this miner  will be competitive  with gpu rigs.  I want little people with 1 ,2, 3 rigs  in on the action.

I look down the road here    and once again  compare the 2 photos posted

six 4 card rigs



 1 eight card rig   which means the rack below can fit

six rigs and 3 psus  say  the    ibm 2880    using 48 cards  use only 6 ethernet cables 

the other way  2 racks   12 atx psus using 48 cards and 12 enternet cable

[m1n1ngP4d4w4n]

yeah it is indeed very interesting, still the warranty that make me a bit wary, otherwise the hardware seems very sound and the software if improved, that could be awesome stuff for sure. I like the pics

[Eyedol-X]

I'm interested but would like to know results of this if it improves upon performance and reliability.

[FFI2013]

Im interested but every other miner on the market is pretty much plug and play or cgminer why would any one spend over 2000 for a miner than you cant read the software than have to pay to get the software when the company who's building and selling these should ship it with a supported os

[Longsnowsm]

Im interested but every other miner on the market is pretty much plug and play or cgminer why would any one spend over 2000 for a miner than you cant read the software than have to pay to get the software when the company who's building and selling these should ship it with a supported os

Sadly you can run the Pandaminer as is from the manufacturer.  An illegal copy of Windows, some copies of Claymore, and you are off and running.  However if you want optimized ROM's for the GPU's to get every ounce of performance out of them, some optimizations for an OS that isn't illegal, and possible future enhancements to make this "ASIC miner" simple... If the latter interests you then we should support our community and get the miner we want.  

There is a reason that people use Claymore's miners for example.  If you are sick and tired of downloading mining software, attempting to build it, only to find it needs this, then that, and the other thing.  Oh, you need to tweak this, configure that...  Oh, modify this while you are at it....  Oh and then pray to the miner gods that you finally have it all together....  Then still spend a significant amount of time tweaking it.  Well this is why people use Claymore's miner and pay him his fee.  Simple, out of the box it works.  You extract it, and run it.  The hardest part is just figuring out the 5 million switches and options for the command line! LOL  Better yet, because of the regular source of funding Claymore can work on this full time and his miners are some of the fastest because of it.  Sadly he does not support Linux very well.  So the benefits should be obvious to anyone who mines that funding is making things happen for miners.    

So nobody is forcing anyone to contribute to an effort like this.  If you want a faster, cooler, more power efficient PM that likely will be easier to manage when it is all said and done then jump on board and help get it done.    

[FFI2013]

Im interested but every other miner on the market is pretty much plug and play or cgminer why would any one spend over 2000 for a miner than you cant read the software than have to pay to get the software when the company who's building and selling these should ship it with a supported os

Sadly you can run the Pandaminer as is from the manufacturer.  An illegal copy of Windows, some copies of Claymore, and you are off and running.  However if you want optimized ROM's for the GPU's to get every ounce of performance out of them, some optimizations for an OS that isn't illegal, and possible future enhancements to make this "ASIC miner" simple... If the latter interests you then we should support our community and get the miner we want.  

There is a reason that people use Claymore's miners for example.  If you are sick and tired of downloading mining software, attempting to build it, only to find it needs this, then that, and the other thing.  Oh, you need to tweak this, configure that...  Oh, modify this while you are at it....  Oh and then pray to the miner gods that you finally have it all together....  Then still spend a significant amount of time tweaking it.  Well this is why people use Claymore's miner and pay him his fee.  Simple, out of the box it works.  You extract it, and run it.  The hardest part is just figuring out the 5 million switches and options for the command line! LOL  Better yet, because of the regular source of funding Claymore can work on this full time and his miners are some of the fastest because of it.  Sadly he does not support Linux very well.  So the benefits should be obvious to anyone who mines that funding is making things happen for miners.    

So nobody is forcing anyone to contribute to an effort like this.  If you want a faster, cooler, more power efficient PM that likely will be easier to manage when it is all said and done then jump on board and help get it done.    

Im on board and wanted to get one and what you said makes perfect sense maybe there could be a group buy with no os from panda to save a few dollars and pick option A or B from op

[Longsnowsm]

Sadly I don''t think we would save anything since it appears that PM didn't pay anything for the OS, the drivers, or the miner software.  So essentially we are already getting it without the OS! LOL

The answer might be what Phil suggested about maybe setting up a group buy to get a discount.  That might help drive the cost down a little and help PM build some good will here on the forum.  

These companies have got to recognize the value these forums bring to them.  You build a good rep in a place like this and your future can be bright.  You burn bridges in a place like this then the word of mouth travels fast.

[LoneRangir]

I would possibly be interested in a group buy.  Put me down as a solid maybe.

Do they take BTC, or credit only?

[citronick]

I would possibly be interested in a group buy.  Put me down as a solid maybe.

Do they take BTC, or credit only?

I paid mine in BTC

[LoneRangir]

I would possibly be interested in a group buy.  Put me down as a solid maybe.

Do they take BTC, or credit only?

I paid mine in BTC

Their site seems down?

[TheRider]

Genuinely interested, though I have a few thoughts.

To understand the value of pre-built pre-configured Linux image, one needs to understand how much work is required to get one up and running. I would like to suggest that Eliovp do a simple write-up explaining the difficulties he encountered in getting a Linux OS up and running. A tutorial would be ideal, but it's probably too ambitious to ask for one during this donation round. Moreover, since you're doing a donation round to build a custom Linux image for the Pandaminer, I'd like to suggest that you may as well go the extra mile and build it to a level which turns the Pandaminer into a plug & play appliance. It should gather more steem.

As for the ROMs, I understand VDCC offset / undervolt / overclock stability is very much dependent on the ASIC quality of the 480 chips in the miner.

Questions to Eliovp:
1. How can you guarantee that your ROMs will be stable on any Pandaminer, without knowing what the actual ASIC quality is on them?
2. How do you plan to get the ROMs updated on the GPUs? Automatically by means of a script that runs the first time your Linux OS is loaded? Or manually by providing a tutorial to people who get the full bundle?
3. What fallback options do you have in mind in case of bricked GPUs?
4. Do you also plan to built a miner management interface (maybe web-based) and include it in your Linux build?

[citronick]

I would possibly be interested in a group buy.  Put me down as a solid maybe.

Do they take BTC, or credit only?

I paid mine in BTC

Their site seems down?

I paid mine in BTC via email.

I told them that their website is confusing for international buyers because of the language etc.

Their Chinese web may well be perfect for local domestic ordering but I got confused with the Google translation fast...

So they did me a favor and got the transaction done in email - very fast very well done.

And the guys that did my order and replied my other questions had good written English, so kudos to Panda team.

If I was to advise them.... I will hire a team of International Sales team like Bitmain, Canaan, Innosilicon.... just my 2 cents.

My contacts in China told me that this Pandaminer is getting tons of attention in local market due to recent super coins like XMR and ZEC.

To be fair, I think Panda needs to capture that market fast - first priority.

And let a separate sales and marketing team to do International sales.

[LoneRangir]

Sorry, this may be slightly more tangential for this thread....

The RX 500 series will be out later this half, most likely May or June.  The information I read is that the efficiency is supposed to be quite good.  I'm curious to see the price and throughput of these "next gen" cards.  This next card release gives me pause on buying a Panda based off of RX400s.  I understand that HBM2-based Vega cards will be prolly 250/300W cards. 

[Eliovp]

Genuinely interested, though I have a few thoughts.

To understand the value of pre-built pre-configured Linux image, one needs to understand how much work is required to get one up and running. I would like to suggest that Eliovp do a simple write-up explaining the difficulties he encountered in getting a Linux OS up and running. A tutorial would be ideal, but it's probably too ambitious to ask for one during this donation round. Moreover, since you're doing a donation round to build a custom Linux image for the Pandaminer, I'd like to suggest that you may as well go the extra mile and build it to a level which turns the Pandaminer into a plug & play appliance. It should gather more steem.

As for the ROMs, I understand VDCC offset / undervolt / overclock stability is very much dependent on the ASIC quality of the 480 chips in the miner.

Questions to Eliovp:
1. How can you guarantee that your ROMs will be stable on any Pandaminer, without knowing what the actual ASIC quality is on them?
2. How do you plan to get the ROMs updated on the GPUs? Automatically by means of a script that runs the first time your Linux OS is loaded? Or manually by providing a tutorial to people who get the full bundle?
3. What fallback options do you have in mind in case of bricked GPUs?
4. Do you also plan to built a miner management interface (maybe web-based) and include it in your Linux build?

Hey TheRider,

Sure thing. Obviously i'm not going to write a tutorial here or write down the steps i had to take to be able to have my setup like i have it right now. It's like you said yourself, the purpose of those thread would be kind of pointless.

You said to go the extra mile and make this plug & play. Well, i already have. It is plug and play. As i've mentioned before, what i've done would be ideal for big farms, they could just place them, plug them in and sit back and relax.

Romwise, yes, you have a point, but that's the thing, assuming the gpu's they deliver with the PM are all the same, i added a global vddc offset, so in other words, the voltage controller will still calculate what the gpu needs "volt wise". The only difference is that it starts calculating from a lower starting point. I didn't drop the power to hard just to be sure that it remains stable (-31mV).
And so far so good, after a week, still rock solid.


1. I don't need to know the asic quality, i'm pretty sure they will remain stable. And if you do happen to have one that can't handle it (which i highly doubt) just send me a pm with the original rom (so i know you have one) and i will change it.
2. Good question. Second question here will probably be the answer. I can automate this without the chance of bricking them. Trust me, i can .
3. The only way "in this case" to brick them is if someone would flash a faulthy rom or completely different one. If you stick with the one i offer, this won't happen.
4. Yes.

Sorry, this may be slightly more tangential for this thread....

The RX 500 series will be out later this half, most likely May or June.  The information I read is that the efficiency is supposed to be quite good.  I'm curious to see the price and throughput of these "next gen" cards.  This next card release gives me pause on buying a Panda based off of RX400s.  I understand that HBM2-based Vega cards will be prolly 250/300W cards. 

New hardware will always happen, i still own a bunch of 290's from back in 2014, they're still running rock solid.
But i get the point. What could and would be interesting in this story is perhaps the fact that these mx gpu's might be replacable by new gen mx cards. But i'm not very sure about that though. Would be ideal!


Greetings.

[zoggie]

New hardware will always happen, i still own a bunch of 290's from back in 2014, they're still running rock solid.
But i get the point. What could and would be interesting in this story is perhaps the fact that these mx gpu's might be replacable by new gen mx cards. But i'm not very sure about that though. Would be ideal!

This is where a PC is more modular and cost savings come into play if the cards are NOT upgradable. Perhaps the manufacturers could comment on the ability to upgrade the cards.

[Eliovp]

New hardware will always happen, i still own a bunch of 290's from back in 2014, they're still running rock solid.
But i get the point. What could and would be interesting in this story is perhaps the fact that these mx gpu's might be replacable by new gen mx cards. But i'm not very sure about that though. Would be ideal!

This is where a PC is more modular and cost savings come into play if the cards are NOT upgradable. Perhaps the manufacturers could comment on the ability to upgrade the cards.

You can compare this somehow with "antminers", you buy them, you plug them in and let them run and shout.
After a while they get old, you can't replace them, like you can with "single" gpu's. You can however replace them by buying new ones..

That's where the pandaminer story is a bit better.
It will last longer as you will always be able to mine other algo's, no you probably won't be the fastest after a while but you will be able to be profitable none the less.

The bigger difference is the fact that you might be able to upgrade those mx cards (not yet totally clear, but there is a chance..)


The only fact i do completely agree on is the resale value of regular GPU's, which is a lot better

[exciter0]

I don't think jstefanop being negative, being frank maybe. He has many valid points and he agrees you deserve credit for YOUR modded ROMs.
With that being said, you're giving misleading information regarding the NIC. Obviously you were able to either find the driver or compile it yourself.
A lspci command should tell you the NIC and yes it's a custom board but not a custom NIC controller.  If all else fails, just use a USB NIC!
So you had to switch from UEFI to legacy...
And perhaps you had to disable the onboard video and use HDMI1 (connected to GPU) to install amdgpu-pro driver... 
All this info will be posted when more people get their PMs....

Ive never heard of any modern NIC that not PCIe based...I understand charging for moded roms, but for a free OS that needs a few configuration changes and some drivers installed is a bit of a stretch.

ill probably buy one of these and ill just post a working linux clone as soon as I get it, or more easily the instructions needed to run it on linux.

Ok, i might have just not been clear enough.

This isn't your average joe NIC, it's a custom main board and it's an integrated one. Not one you can just go and order online.

It indeed is a free OS, very true, but just maybe, it could be completely automated . Perhaps it's even designed for large farms...  


You shouldn't be so negative.

I'm not 100% sure so correct me on this if i'm wrong but i reckon to have seen other posts of you trying to put certain things in a bad daylight when someone "could" make some money... It almost seems like you're a bit jealous


Greetings!


Edit: And no, i haven't always been so "holy" either..

[Eliovp]

I don't think jstefanop being negative, being frank maybe. He has many valid points and he agrees you deserve credit for YOUR modded ROMs.
With that being said, you're giving misleading information regarding the NIC. Obviously you were able to either find the driver or compile it yourself.
A lspci command should tell you the NIC and yes it's a custom board but not a custom NIC controller.  If all else fails, just use a USB NIC!
So you had to switch from UEFI to legacy...
And perhaps you had to disable the onboard video and use HDMI1 (connected to GPU) to install amdgpu-pro driver... 
All this info will be posted when more people get their PMs....

You do make it sound that it's easy, i never said it's difficult. But you seem to forget that the avarage joe has no experience with *nix based systems..

I'm even willing to zip up the drivers. I don't mind


Plus that it doesn't change the fact the OS has everything you need to plug and play, monitor, etc.. That is what this is all about. Oh, and not to forget, the roms as well.


Like i was going to ask for a donation/payment whatever you're willing to call it to just have a simple standard ubuntu installation with the correct drivers. No i'm not....
This is much more than that.

Greetings

[Eliovp]

I don't think jstefanop being negative, being frank maybe. He has many valid points and he agrees you deserve credit for YOUR modded ROMs.
With that being said, you're giving misleading information regarding the NIC. Obviously you were able to either find the driver or compile it yourself.
A lspci command should tell you the NIC and yes it's a custom board but not a custom NIC controller.  If all else fails, just use a USB NIC!
So you had to switch from UEFI to legacy...
And perhaps you had to disable the onboard video and use HDMI1 (connected to GPU) to install amdgpu-pro driver... 
All this info will be posted when more people get their PMs....

You do make it sound that it's easy, i never said it's difficult. But you seem to forget that the avarage joe has no experience with *nix based systems..

I'm even willing to zip up the drivers. I don't mind


Plus that it doesn't change the fact the OS has everything you need to plug and play, monitor, etc.. That is what this is all about. Oh, and not to forget, the roms as well.


Like i was going to ask for a donation/payment whatever you're willing to call it to just have a simple standard ubuntu installation with the correct drivers. No i'm not....
This is much more than that.

Greetings

Although, after recieving a pm regarding the nic issue, i had to test this, i downloaded the latest ubuntu, latest kernel, and yes the nic is perfectly supported on this one .

So in other words, you can easily install a copy of the latest ubuntu and it'll work.
No you obviously won't have any other drivers configured, like AMDGPU, .. , it'll be full of things you don't really need as a miner, but it'll work

I'm almost finished with a completely custom copy specially made for pandaminer.
Plug & play, auto flashes gpu's on first boot, you can choose your miner/algo, check stats and sit back and relax

Greetings!

[philipma1957]

I don't think jstefanop being negative, being frank maybe. He has many valid points and he agrees you deserve credit for YOUR modded ROMs.
With that being said, you're giving misleading information regarding the NIC. Obviously you were able to either find the driver or compile it yourself.
A lspci command should tell you the NIC and yes it's a custom board but not a custom NIC controller.  If all else fails, just use a USB NIC!
So you had to switch from UEFI to legacy...
And perhaps you had to disable the onboard video and use HDMI1 (connected to GPU) to install amdgpu-pro driver... 
All this info will be posted when more people get their PMs....

You do make it sound that it's easy, i never said it's difficult. But you seem to forget that the avarage joe has no experience with *nix based systems..

I'm even willing to zip up the drivers. I don't mind


Plus that it doesn't change the fact the OS has everything you need to plug and play, monitor, etc.. That is what this is all about. Oh, and not to forget, the roms as well.


Like i was going to ask for a donation/payment whatever you're willing to call it to just have a simple standard ubuntu installation with the correct drivers. No i'm not....
This is much more than that.

Greetings

Although, after recieving a pm regarding the nic issue, i had to test this, i downloaded the latest ubuntu, latest kernel, and yes the nic is perfectly supported on this one .

So in other words, you can easily install a copy of the latest ubuntu and it'll work.
No you obviously won't have any other drivers configured, like AMDGPU, .. , it'll be full of things you don't really need as a miner, but it'll work

I'm almost finished with a completely custom copy specially made for pandaminer.
Plug & play, auto flashes gpu's on first boot, you can choose your miner/algo, check stats and sit back and relax

Greetings!

let me know when you have it.

my new 64gb msata arrives today

[citronick]

I don't think jstefanop being negative, being frank maybe. He has many valid points and he agrees you deserve credit for YOUR modded ROMs.
With that being said, you're giving misleading information regarding the NIC. Obviously you were able to either find the driver or compile it yourself.
A lspci command should tell you the NIC and yes it's a custom board but not a custom NIC controller.  If all else fails, just use a USB NIC!
So you had to switch from UEFI to legacy...
And perhaps you had to disable the onboard video and use HDMI1 (connected to GPU) to install amdgpu-pro driver... 
All this info will be posted when more people get their PMs....

You do make it sound that it's easy, i never said it's difficult. But you seem to forget that the avarage joe has no experience with *nix based systems..

I'm even willing to zip up the drivers. I don't mind


Plus that it doesn't change the fact the OS has everything you need to plug and play, monitor, etc.. That is what this is all about. Oh, and not to forget, the roms as well.


Like i was going to ask for a donation/payment whatever you're willing to call it to just have a simple standard ubuntu installation with the correct drivers. No i'm not....
This is much more than that.

Greetings

Although, after recieving a pm regarding the nic issue, i had to test this, i downloaded the latest ubuntu, latest kernel, and yes the nic is perfectly supported on this one .

So in other words, you can easily install a copy of the latest ubuntu and it'll work.
No you obviously won't have any other drivers configured, like AMDGPU, .. , it'll be full of things you don't really need as a miner, but it'll work

I'm almost finished with a completely custom copy specially made for pandaminer.
Plug & play, auto flashes gpu's on first boot, you can choose your miner/algo, check stats and sit back and relax

Greetings!

fantastic!

So when?

My Panda doesnt like Windows.

[fuzion1]

I would be interested if the price is reseonable. I am going to be buying some panda miners soon.

[felix73]

I don't think jstefanop being negative, being frank maybe. He has many valid points and he agrees you deserve credit for YOUR modded ROMs.
With that being said, you're giving misleading information regarding the NIC. Obviously you were able to either find the driver or compile it yourself.
A lspci command should tell you the NIC and yes it's a custom board but not a custom NIC controller.  If all else fails, just use a USB NIC!
So you had to switch from UEFI to legacy...
And perhaps you had to disable the onboard video and use HDMI1 (connected to GPU) to install amdgpu-pro driver... 
All this info will be posted when more people get their PMs....

You do make it sound that it's easy, i never said it's difficult. But you seem to forget that the avarage joe has no experience with *nix based systems..

I'm even willing to zip up the drivers. I don't mind


Plus that it doesn't change the fact the OS has everything you need to plug and play, monitor, etc.. That is what this is all about. Oh, and not to forget, the roms as well.


Like i was going to ask for a donation/payment whatever you're willing to call it to just have a simple standard ubuntu installation with the correct drivers. No i'm not....
This is much more than that.

Greetings

Although, after recieving a pm regarding the nic issue, i had to test this, i downloaded the latest ubuntu, latest kernel, and yes the nic is perfectly supported on this one .

So in other words, you can easily install a copy of the latest ubuntu and it'll work.
No you obviously won't have any other drivers configured, like AMDGPU, .. , it'll be full of things you don't really need as a miner, but it'll work

I'm almost finished with a completely custom copy specially made for pandaminer.
Plug & play, auto flashes gpu's on first boot, you can choose your miner/algo, check stats and sit back and relax

Greetings!

I'm just ready to make a donation
But I need a completely friendly system

[felix73]

Hello!
how to enter the BIOS boot pandaminer?
that would put the switch on when power on ?



enter the BIOS  pandaminer
when you push the start button
Hold on delete key

[slim87]

Any new status update here? Do you have already a date Eliovp when you start to sell it?

[Eliovp]

Any new status update here? Do you have already a date Eliovp when you start to sell it?

Shop is as good as done.

Monitor/management is also 99% done.

Working my but off to get this finished

[citronick]

Any new status update here? Do you have already a date Eliovp when you start to sell it?

Shop is as good as done.

Monitor/management is also 99% done.

Working my but off to get this finished

Eliovp, you may want to do some test run from Panda owners just to get iron out any bugs (if any )

[m1n1ngP4d4w4n]

Any new status update here? Do you have already a date Eliovp when you start to sell it?

Shop is as good as done.

Monitor/management is also 99% done.

Working my but off to get this finished

Any ideas for pricing ?

[philipma1957]

Any new status update here? Do you have already a date Eliovp when you start to sell it?

Shop is as good as done.

Monitor/management is also 99% done.

Working my but off to get this finished

Any ideas for pricing ?

Let me know this also.

Oh I finally got into the bios  and set machine to boot on power up  which  means the tiny power switch is more of a mute point.

I next need to figure setting for the hdmi  as I am using the   mobo one only  and the gpu one is not active as of now.

[slim87]

hmm struggeling with ubuntu and amd drivers. As soon as the amd driver is installed on my ubunto 16.04 after a reboot I don't get any screen anymore, somebody knows how to fix that? It's the panda miner obv


@Eliovp excited to see your work

[philipma1957]

hmm struggeling with ubuntu and amd drivers. As soon as the amd driver is installed on my ubunto 16.04 after a reboot I don't get any screen anymore, somebody knows how to fix that? It's the panda miner obv


@Eliovp excited to see your work

try booting with the hdmi in the other jack.


@ Eliovp    let us know when the image is ready.


@ all  I have managed good fan reduction  and stable  zec mining  with a fan mod.  it is on the review thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733723.msg17525049#msg17525049

mod costs under 20 bucks  it lowers fans to 7.3 volts well  lowest I tested.

so far   8.6 volts rather then 7.3 volts appears stable 

this is about 36 watts vs 85 watts at 12 volts

sound is better and  the unit has mined for about 6 hours in a 90f garage.
At 7.3 volts I had dropouts
At 7.7 volts I had dropouts
At 8.1 volts I had dropouts
at 8.6 volts all good.

[m1n1ngP4d4w4n]

nicely done

[fexploit]

when you start to sell?

[slim87]

@philipma1957 well this is not the point. In the bios the vga output is still hdmi2 like it is by default. Also I have a normal screen until I install the amd pro driver for Ubuntu 16.04, after a reboot its gone

[yun9999]

I'm going to take my name out of this interested list as the timeline and also cost is not going to make sense for the scale I'm building.  So I decided to build my own Giant Pandas.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761303.msg17588677#msg17588677

[xxcsu]

He is selling this mod for 400$ ...
I'm going to take my name out of this interested list also ... :-(

[yun9999]

He is selling this mod for 400$ ...
I'm going to take my name out of this interested list also ... :-(

]


Not just $400 but with a minimum quantity of 10.  So I believe it's $4K as a starting point or $1K markup for a Panda with crappy warranty but I believe he's open to negotiate.  He's put some good effort into it so I hope he will be rewarded for his time as Eliovp has been great to the community.  However, I've been mining for a long time and I know how hard it is on the hardware, I'm not even sure if the Panda can finish ROI before the box dies when he's marking it up $1k with his package.  This is why I built my own and get to enjoy the long warranty the different vendors offers.  Eliovp definitely have can do some awesome stuff but the high premium in this rough ROI stream on such a risky product is a tough sell since it's Panda specific vs the MASS which is say RX480 or R9 390, etc.  Simplemining.net with it's current free package as well as all the big mining software in a Plug and play solution seems like a big winner to me.  We still need to find good ways to support innovators like ELIOVP and others who are taking up their valuable times to come up with great ideas for the mining community.  However, it needs to be affordable so that the mass can enjoy the benefit not just the super wealthy FAT Whale miners.  This is why I love Simplemining.net owner as his product is great but he have said even when it's ready for PRIME time, the max it will be is a few bucks per rig.  To be honest, even with some features missing, his OS is DAMN GOOD and 10x better than Windows crap with the corrupt drivers, 0 hash issues or constant windows updates.    My R9 Furies are killling it on Optimer and stable as a ROCK!  I can't say the same with Windows.

[m1n1ngP4d4w4n]

No guys, look at eliovp thread, it's not 400$ per pandaminer for the mod.

He sell 2 images of the OS, one with the mod for 400$+panda licence 30$, one without the mod for just the cost of licence 30$, if you get the image, you can use it on an unlimited amount of pandaminers, you just have to pay the licence for the OS for each pandaminer. So it cost you in all :

400$ one time for bios mod
n x 30$ for the licence (n = number of pandaminers)

cheers.

[citronick]

No guys, look at eliovp thread, it's not 400$ per pandaminer for the mod.

He sell 2 images of the OS, one with the mod for 400$+panda licence 30$, one without the mod for just the cost of licence 30$, if you get the image, you can use it on an unlimited amount of pandaminers, you just have to pay the licence for the OS for each pandaminer. So it cost you in all :

400$ one time for bios mod
n x 30$ for the licence (n = number of pandaminers)

cheers.

anyone has the link for eliovp-OS thread?


never mind -- found it

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1757132.msg17545023#msg17545023

[philipma1957]

No guys, look at eliovp thread, it's not 400$ per pandaminer for the mod.

He sell 2 images of the OS, one with the mod for 400$+panda licence 30$, one without the mod for just the cost of licence 30$, if you get the image, you can use it on an unlimited amount of pandaminers, you just have to pay the licence for the OS for each pandaminer. So it cost you in all :

400$ one time for bios mod
n x 30$ for the licence (n = number of pandaminers)

cheers.

yeah I could get his os for 30.

then add the rom when I have multiple  pandaminers

I figure the rom earns 34 usd per pandaminer each month if you have 10 cent power and miner xmr.

so 3 pandas = 100 a month cost 490 this means 5 months and you made up the coins.



Link

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1757132.0

[Eliovp]

He is selling this mod for 400$ ...
I'm going to take my name out of this interested list also ... :-(

]


Not just $400 but with a minimum quantity of 10.  So I believe it's $4K as a starting point or $1K markup for a Panda with crappy warranty but I believe he's open to negotiate.  He's put some good effort into it so I hope he will be rewarded for his time as Eliovp has been great to the community.  However, I've been mining for a long time and I know how hard it is on the hardware, I'm not even sure if the Panda can finish ROI before the box dies when he's marking it up $1k with his package.  This is why I built my own and get to enjoy the long warranty the different vendors offers.  Eliovp definitely have can do some awesome stuff but the high premium in this rough ROI stream on such a risky product is a tough sell since it's Panda specific vs the MASS which is say RX480 or R9 390, etc.  Simplemining.net with it's current free package as well as all the big mining software in a Plug and play solution seems like a big winner to me.  We still need to find good ways to support innovators like ELIOVP and others who are taking up their valuable times to come up with great ideas for the mining community.  However, it needs to be affordable so that the mass can enjoy the benefit not just the super wealthy FAT Whale miners.  This is why I love Simplemining.net owner as his product is great but he have said even when it's ready for PRIME time, the max it will be is a few bucks per rig.  To be honest, even with some features missing, his OS is DAMN GOOD and 10x better than Windows crap with the corrupt drivers, 0 hash issues or constant windows updates.    My R9 Furies are killling it on Optimer and stable as a ROCK!  I can't say the same with Windows.

As others have pointed out, it's not 400$ x every pandaminer. It's a one time buy. so one time 400, which is super interesting if you have multiple units.

In case of it "being hard for the hardware", that's the funny part, i clocked them down, so they're basically modded to last longer..

+ i also mentioned that there are alternatives. (in case of OS).

You don't have to get mine, i don't mind

If the owner of simplemining wants to do all of that for free, that's his decission, i'm not going to.

The main thing is the rom, the rom will help you ROI a lot faster, even with the extra cost. Ask Philipma, he did the calculations..

Greetings

[citronick]

He is selling this mod for 400$ ...
I'm going to take my name out of this interested list also ... :-(

]


Not just $400 but with a minimum quantity of 10.  So I believe it's $4K as a starting point or $1K markup for a Panda with crappy warranty but I believe he's open to negotiate.  He's put some good effort into it so I hope he will be rewarded for his time as Eliovp has been great to the community.  However, I've been mining for a long time and I know how hard it is on the hardware, I'm not even sure if the Panda can finish ROI before the box dies when he's marking it up $1k with his package.  This is why I built my own and get to enjoy the long warranty the different vendors offers.  Eliovp definitely have can do some awesome stuff but the high premium in this rough ROI stream on such a risky product is a tough sell since it's Panda specific vs the MASS which is say RX480 or R9 390, etc.  Simplemining.net with it's current free package as well as all the big mining software in a Plug and play solution seems like a big winner to me.  We still need to find good ways to support innovators like ELIOVP and others who are taking up their valuable times to come up with great ideas for the mining community.  However, it needs to be affordable so that the mass can enjoy the benefit not just the super wealthy FAT Whale miners.  This is why I love Simplemining.net owner as his product is great but he have said even when it's ready for PRIME time, the max it will be is a few bucks per rig.  To be honest, even with some features missing, his OS is DAMN GOOD and 10x better than Windows crap with the corrupt drivers, 0 hash issues or constant windows updates.    My R9 Furies are killling it on Optimer and stable as a ROCK!  I can't say the same with Windows.

As others have pointed out, it's not 400$ x every pandaminer. It's a one time buy. so one time 400, which is super interesting if you have multiple units.

In case of it "being hard for the hardware", that's the funny part, i clocked them down, so they're basically modded to last longer..

+ i also mentioned that there are alternatives. (in case of OS).

You don't have to get mine, i don't mind

If the owner of simplemining wants to do all of that for free, that's his decission, i'm not going to.

The main thing is the rom, the rom will help you ROI a lot faster, even with the extra cost. Ask Philipma, he did the calculations..

Greetings

Ah... I see... that makes sense.... otherwise Eliovp will be a millionaire like Claymore 

Eliovp.... Check PM

[Eliovp]

He is selling this mod for 400$ ...
I'm going to take my name out of this interested list also ... :-(

]


Not just $400 but with a minimum quantity of 10.  So I believe it's $4K as a starting point or $1K markup for a Panda with crappy warranty but I believe he's open to negotiate.  He's put some good effort into it so I hope he will be rewarded for his time as Eliovp has been great to the community.  However, I've been mining for a long time and I know how hard it is on the hardware, I'm not even sure if the Panda can finish ROI before the box dies when he's marking it up $1k with his package.  This is why I built my own and get to enjoy the long warranty the different vendors offers.  Eliovp definitely have can do some awesome stuff but the high premium in this rough ROI stream on such a risky product is a tough sell since it's Panda specific vs the MASS which is say RX480 or R9 390, etc.  Simplemining.net with it's current free package as well as all the big mining software in a Plug and play solution seems like a big winner to me.  We still need to find good ways to support innovators like ELIOVP and others who are taking up their valuable times to come up with great ideas for the mining community.  However, it needs to be affordable so that the mass can enjoy the benefit not just the super wealthy FAT Whale miners.  This is why I love Simplemining.net owner as his product is great but he have said even when it's ready for PRIME time, the max it will be is a few bucks per rig.  To be honest, even with some features missing, his OS is DAMN GOOD and 10x better than Windows crap with the corrupt drivers, 0 hash issues or constant windows updates.    My R9 Furies are killling it on Optimer and stable as a ROCK!  I can't say the same with Windows.

As others have pointed out, it's not 400$ x every pandaminer. It's a one time buy. so one time 400, which is super interesting if you have multiple units.

In case of it "being hard for the hardware", that's the funny part, i clocked them down, so they're basically modded to last longer..

+ i also mentioned that there are alternatives. (in case of OS).

You don't have to get mine, i don't mind

If the owner of simplemining wants to do all of that for free, that's his decission, i'm not going to.

The main thing is the rom, the rom will help you ROI a lot faster, even with the extra cost. Ask Philipma, he did the calculations..

Greetings

Ah... I see... that makes sense.... otherwise Eliovp will be a millionaire like Claymore 

Eliovp.... Check PM

Already Replied, I'm saving for a Maserati.. long way to go Haha 

[yun9999]

Pricing model may have changed or my interpretation is poor.   Heliox = ELIOVP.  From the Ethereum thread, it says you need to purchase a minimum of 10 OS copies.  The ROM plus 1 OS copy is $400 which is $4K.  "(writing this on multiple systems will have no point as you won't be able to use it without me activating it)".  I read that as you can't really just buy the ROM for $400 and be able to use it on multiple Pandas.  If you can purchase the ROM only then that's not a bad deal if you're planning on a few Pandas. @Eliovp - please don't take it the wrong way, as I've said before, you have a great product and I hope you get compensated for your time.  It's just a shame that such a great product is tied to just Pandas when it really can be used for many other AMD GPUs platforms. 

All large farm's biggest pain point is the RMA process and doing that with China makes it 100x worst.  Long shipping time, high cost of shipping and lost mining revenue is not great for ROI.  The larger your farm the higher count of items that will need RMAs.  My partners still have S9 boards that took almost 2 month to replace.  The lost of mining revenue during lower difficult on that is substantial.  We only had to put up with that with Bitmain because they're the only game in town for Bitcoin mining.  It's definitely not the same for GPU mining.  You've made it very clear that your solution is targeting large farms, but I think most large farms will not be investing that heavily into Pandas with such a weak warranty and slow / expensive China replacement process.  You're the King of ROMs and now that you have a sexy management interface, would be nice to see your offering on other platforms.  I know you mentioned that you're not interested in doing that yet, but hopefully it's something planned for down the road. 



Heliox Posts: 603Member, Moderator mod
January 21 edited January 21
Ok, i will most probably disappoint a few people with my decision but i have a few reasons why i decided to go this route.

1. I have no time to support multiple people with questions remarks, etc..
2. I've spent a large amount of time on this, so basically risking it all by selling single copies is not something i want to do.
  (in other words, if i sell one copy for example, it'll take a week before someone shares it, with this i'm more concerned about the rom..)
3. There are other alternatives which also work perfectly and give awesome support, PiMP for example..


So, what i decided to do.

What i will offer

- A package for european people: Pandaminer + "OS, Monitor, Remote Management" + ROM for 3200EUR VAT incl.
- I will not offer single copies of the PandamOS, reasons why are stated above. I will however sell the rom for 400$ and a single copy of the OS will be included. (writing this on multiple systems will have no point as you won't be able to use it without me activating it)
- Regarding the OS, i will only offer a minimum of 10 copies. It's just not interesting for me otherwise. And as i said before, i know what will happen if i agree on single copies.
- Last thing i offer is a "Fee base" system, i agree, still not interesting for small home miners. And i apologise for that.
Again, it's just not interesting for me otherwise.

So in other words, yes i know, what i offer is very interesting for large scale miners and not so for smaller ones.

On the other hand, like i said, there are plenty of other alternatives for all you small home miners

I'm always open for negotiation though. Pm me for that.

[Eliovp]

Pricing model may have changed or my interpretation is poor.   Heliox = ELIOVP.  From the Ethereum thread, it says you need to purchase a minimum of 10 OS copies.  The ROM plus 1 OS copy is $400 which is $4K.  "(writing this on multiple systems will have no point as you won't be able to use it without me activating it)".  I read that as you can't really just buy the ROM for $400 and be able to use it on multiple Pandas.  If you can purchase the ROM only then that's not a bad deal if you're planning on a few Pandas. @Eliovp - please don't take it the wrong way, as I've said before, you have a great product and I hope you get compensated for your time.  It's just a shame that such a great product is tied to just Pandas when it really can be used for many other AMD GPUs platforms. 

All large farm's biggest pain point is the RMA process and doing that with China makes it 100x worst.  Long shipping time, high cost of shipping and lost mining revenue is not great for ROI.  The larger your farm the higher count of items that will need RMAs.  My partners still have S9 boards that took almost 2 month to replace.  The lost of mining revenue during lower difficult on that is substantial.  We only had to put up with that with Bitmain because they're the only game in town for Bitcoin mining.  It's definitely not the same for GPU mining.  You've made it very clear that your solution is targeting large farms, but I think most large farms will not be investing that heavily into Pandas with such a weak warranty and slow / expensive China replacement process.  You're the King of ROMs and now that you have a sexy management interface, would be nice to see your offering on other platforms.  I know you mentioned that you're not interested in doing that yet, but hopefully it's something planned for down the road. 



Heliox Posts: 603Member, Moderator mod
January 21 edited January 21
Ok, i will most probably disappoint a few people with my decision but i have a few reasons why i decided to go this route.

1. I have no time to support multiple people with questions remarks, etc..
2. I've spent a large amount of time on this, so basically risking it all by selling single copies is not something i want to do.
  (in other words, if i sell one copy for example, it'll take a week before someone shares it, with this i'm more concerned about the rom..)
3. There are other alternatives which also work perfectly and give awesome support, PiMP for example..


So, what i decided to do.

What i will offer

- A package for european people: Pandaminer + "OS, Monitor, Remote Management" + ROM for 3200EUR VAT incl.
- I will not offer single copies of the PandamOS, reasons why are stated above. I will however sell the rom for 400$ and a single copy of the OS will be included. (writing this on multiple systems will have no point as you won't be able to use it without me activating it)
- Regarding the OS, i will only offer a minimum of 10 copies. It's just not interesting for me otherwise. And as i said before, i know what will happen if i agree on single copies.
- Last thing i offer is a "Fee base" system, i agree, still not interesting for small home miners. And i apologise for that.
Again, it's just not interesting for me otherwise.

So in other words, yes i know, what i offer is very interesting for large scale miners and not so for smaller ones.

On the other hand, like i said, there are plenty of other alternatives for all you small home miners

I'm always open for negotiation though. Pm me for that.

Hey Yun,

You quoted a post from Ethereum Forum which i posted here as well

Anyhow, it's simple, if you buy the rom you get a copy of the OS with it. No charge.
If you want more, the minimum order is 10 copies yes. (this has nothing to do with the rom as you only need to buy this one time.)

I agree that it isn't very clear, but it's not so difficult either

So if you have for example 4 units and you're interested.
That will cost you 400$ for the rom + 1 copy.
For your other 3 units you will,( yes and i know it might sound stupid for a lot of you but that's just how i want it to be) need to get 10 copies.
which is another 300 dollar. So in total 700. Otherwise it'll be 400 for the rom and a copy of the os.

Greetings!

[yun9999]

Pricing model may have changed or my interpretation is poor.   Heliox = ELIOVP.  From the Ethereum thread, it says you need to purchase a minimum of 10 OS copies.  The ROM plus 1 OS copy is $400 which is $4K.  "(writing this on multiple systems will have no point as you won't be able to use it without me activating it)".  I read that as you can't really just buy the ROM for $400 and be able to use it on multiple Pandas.  If you can purchase the ROM only then that's not a bad deal if you're planning on a few Pandas. @Eliovp - please don't take it the wrong way, as I've said before, you have a great product and I hope you get compensated for your time.  It's just a shame that such a great product is tied to just Pandas when it really can be used for many other AMD GPUs platforms. 

All large farm's biggest pain point is the RMA process and doing that with China makes it 100x worst.  Long shipping time, high cost of shipping and lost mining revenue is not great for ROI.  The larger your farm the higher count of items that will need RMAs.  My partners still have S9 boards that took almost 2 month to replace.  The lost of mining revenue during lower difficult on that is substantial.  We only had to put up with that with Bitmain because they're the only game in town for Bitcoin mining.  It's definitely not the same for GPU mining.  You've made it very clear that your solution is targeting large farms, but I think most large farms will not be investing that heavily into Pandas with such a weak warranty and slow / expensive China replacement process.  You're the King of ROMs and now that you have a sexy management interface, would be nice to see your offering on other platforms.  I know you mentioned that you're not interested in doing that yet, but hopefully it's something planned for down the road. 



Heliox Posts: 603Member, Moderator mod
January 21 edited January 21
Ok, i will most probably disappoint a few people with my decision but i have a few reasons why i decided to go this route.

1. I have no time to support multiple people with questions remarks, etc..
2. I've spent a large amount of time on this, so basically risking it all by selling single copies is not something i want to do.
  (in other words, if i sell one copy for example, it'll take a week before someone shares it, with this i'm more concerned about the rom..)
3. There are other alternatives which also work perfectly and give awesome support, PiMP for example..


So, what i decided to do.

What i will offer

- A package for european people: Pandaminer + "OS, Monitor, Remote Management" + ROM for 3200EUR VAT incl.
- I will not offer single copies of the PandamOS, reasons why are stated above. I will however sell the rom for 400$ and a single copy of the OS will be included. (writing this on multiple systems will have no point as you won't be able to use it without me activating it)
- Regarding the OS, i will only offer a minimum of 10 copies. It's just not interesting for me otherwise. And as i said before, i know what will happen if i agree on single copies.
- Last thing i offer is a "Fee base" system, i agree, still not interesting for small home miners. And i apologise for that.
Again, it's just not interesting for me otherwise.

So in other words, yes i know, what i offer is very interesting for large scale miners and not so for smaller ones.

On the other hand, like i said, there are plenty of other alternatives for all you small home miners

I'm always open for negotiation though. Pm me for that.

Hey Yun,

You quoted a post from Ethereum Forum which i posted here as well

Anyhow, it's simple, if you buy the rom you get a copy of the OS with it. No charge.
If you want more, the minimum order is 10 copies yes. (this has nothing to do with the rom as you only need to buy this one time.)

I agree that it isn't very clear, but it's not so difficult either

So if you have for example 4 units and you're interested.
That will cost you 400$ for the rom + 1 copy.
For your other 3 units you will,( yes and i know it might sound stupid for a lot of you but that's just how i want it to be) need to get 10 copies.
which is another 300 dollar. So in total 700. Otherwise it'll be 400 for the rom and a copy of the os.

Greetings!

Thanks for the Clarification!  This helps a lot as it wasn't as clear that the ROM can be purchased separate from the OS and the OS is $30 per Copy which is very attractive as Simplemining is free for now but even if it's $3/rig per month later that is over $36 / year which is what most miner keep their gears for on average so it's definitely something to consider. 

[Lagniappe]

I am from Louisiana, a hot, humid climate. Heat is my worst enemy

Pandaminer has garnered my interest, (I would love to build one of these and am really trying to identify parts. I don't want to profit off of this, I don't have time to build these for a living :-) ) I am going through threads looking for a guy who built one and showed some sourceable parts. Probably isn't going to happen, but I'm still trying to figure out basic components that are viewable. Like, what motherboard that is, where I can get those gpus, what kinda power supply do you run, where do you get that neat flat metal case, all these are questions. Questions, questions, questions.

Questions like,  when is the 400 amp service gettin put in.  I'd just rather go with this smaller, quieter option, difficult to digest my current  6 gpu  build, after seeing this. Heat is such a problem for me, I really am intrigued!


Best,
Norman

[philipma1957]

I am from Louisiana, a hot, humid climate. Heat is my worst enemy

Pandaminer has garnered my interest, (I would love to build one of these and am really trying to identify parts. I don't want to profit off of this, I don't have time to build these for a living :-) ) I am going through threads looking for a guy who built one and showed some sourceable parts. Probably isn't going to happen, but I'm still trying to figure out basic components that are viewable. Like, what motherboard that is, where I can get those gpus, what kinda power supply do you run, where do you get that neat flat metal case, all these are questions. Questions, questions, questions.

Questions like,  when is the 400 amp service gettin put in.  I'd just rather go with this smaller, quieter option, difficult to digest my current  6 gpu  build, after seeing this. Heat is such a problem for me, I really am intrigued!


Best,
Norman

no one is going to find a board.  as far as anyone knows the boards are custom built with embed cpus for panda miner.

[Lagniappe]

hmm struggeling with ubuntu and amd drivers. As soon as the amd driver is installed on my ubunto 16.04 after a reboot I don't get any screen anymore, somebody knows how to fix that? It's the panda miner obv


@Eliovp excited to see your work

I use fglrx 15.30 for my amd sapphire r9 nanos. I am not super Ubuntu experienced but I can give a few tips, of what I'd do,

nano .bashrc


at the end of that file, do you have

export DISPLAY=:0




also, after you install the driver,
sudo aticonfig --adapter=all --initial
sudo reboot

sorry if you know all this, just trying to help.

 


Best,
Norman

[viramarket]

I faced a problem in Panda the miner B3 +.Periodically there is a system hang Windows.You have to reboot.How have you achieved stable operation Panda without crashing?